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Saskwach

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iamnotincompliance said:
Some good stuff.
I have to agree with most of that. People complain about gas-guzzling yanks without thinking that, thanks to how America developed, if an average American wanted to do all the things that, say, I do, on US public transport...well, they wouldn't.
 

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Isaac Dodgson said:
I find it absolutely hilarious that you've posted this right after the long, but poignant rant before it,
I never read a post more than 6 lines down, if something's worth saying then it's worth being succinct about it.

But you make a fine point, maybe next time I'll read 8 lines down... then keep my big mouth shut.
 

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Saskwach said:
I have to agree with most of that. People complain about gas-guzzling yanks without thinking that, thanks to how America developed, if an average American wanted to do all the things that, say, I do, on US public transport...well, they wouldn't.
True enough; the example of Los Angeles is archetypical for the American experience. At the turn of the 20th century LA had arguably the best public transit system on the continent with its Red Car trolly/train service. In the post-WW2 era, though, it was bought out and shut down to be replaced by freeways; conspiracy theorists like to blame the Big Three automakers for this. After that LA became synonymous with smog and traffic congestion because if you didn't have a car you basicly couldn't get anywhere.

So I empathise somewhat for folks in the US hit by gas prices. That doesn't stop my blood from simmering a bit when I see some dolt idling a huge SUV at a drive through, alone of course and with total baggage of a briefcase, usually gabbing on a cell phone come to think of it. Those guys don't get to ***** about gas prices.

-- Steve
 

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I'm actually worried. We have a Trucker strike starting because the companies refuse to pay gaz more than a certain amount. Our food stores are missing stuff. I work at small time job for a Superstore(Ok it's a bit borring) but i'm afraid that they will cut my job because of this
 

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ANWR is a great idea to get oil prices down. There's plenty of infrastructure in Alaska, and oil companies estimate two to three years before oil would be flowing (hopefully into pipelines and tankers and not out into the ocean.) Speculation works because everyone knows that all the oil produced will be sold. Plus, we have this idiotic system where oil speculators only have a 10% margin call, so investing $1,000,000 in capital allows you to control $10,000,000 in oil contracts. (For reference, the stock market as a whole has a 50% margin for most commodities.) If production is 110% of supply, then 10% of the options never get taken, speculators lose the cost of options on that 10%, and everyone becomes more cautious about bidding up prices.

It's important to realize though that more oil only moves the problem back in time. America alone could easily supply all its needs within 5 years through ANWR, off-shore areas currently off-limits to exploration, oil shale, oil sands, and continental drilling - the area from Texas up through North Dakota is loaded in oil. America has enough energy reserves to provide all our energy for the next fifty to eighty years, conservatively. But if we only move the problem back in time, then eventually the system will still crash. By then we'll have even more people and even more oil-based infrastructure. Even worse, by all current trends we'll have fewer energy companies, fewer companies overall, a less-free market, and more dependence on government. This means government will consume a much higher proportion of total resources than it does now, leaving less capital to develop new sources of energy.

I'm all for drilling in ANWR and off-shore, but unless we make major steps toward different energy sources we're just trading pain now for pain later. Even worse, the oil producing companies and nations now know we'll pay $140 a barrel if needed, which means we need enough additional capacity to prevent OPEC from simply lowering production to keep prices high. We need more oil now and a plethora of new energy sources to allow us to shift between them as market forces change.
 

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I know a lot of our friends from across the pond keep going on about how a tank of fuel in Britain would cost the equivalent of $200. Now I know everyone in Britain isn't rich, but people still have to put fuel in their cars, even if it does cost them $200 or however many pounds that is.

I'm just curious, if our British friends could answer, what is the minimum working wage in Britain and what is the average income tax rate. For example here in the States, the minimum working wage is $5.75 an hour, which translates to almost 3 pounds British, I may be wrong. The average American I think earns about $10-12 hourly I think, but many, many only make the minimum wage. The income tax rate, what the Federal Govt. deducts from every paycheck you make on the spot, is roughly almost 30% for a single person such as myself. That means that if I make a $1000, I'm left with roughly $700 that I get to take home. What's it like there?
 

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slowpoke219 said:
For example here in the States, the minimum working wage is $5.75 an hour, which translates to almost 3 pounds British, I may be wrong. The average American I think earns about $10-12 hourly I think, but many, many only make the minimum wage. The income tax rate, what the Federal Govt. deducts from every paycheck you make on the spot, is roughly almost 30% for a single person such as myself. That means that if I make a $1000, I'm left with roughly $700 that I get to take home. What's it like there?
For comparison, here's Canada's equivalent numbers. (I'm assuming both dollars are at parity.) Minimum wage is between $7.75 and $8.75, depending upon which province you're working in. Average wage about $21 nationally but again is highly variable. Federal income tax deduction rates vary between 15% and 29% at the top; in addition there are provincial income taxes between 4% and 18% that also scale by income. In my case I pay 22% overall in taxes and mandatory deductions... it'd be slightly higher, probably near the 30% quoted above for the US, but my compensation package includes having the company pay most of the extras.

-- Steve

(Figures gathered from Statistics Canada and Canada Revenue Agency sites.)
 

wgreer25

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shatnershaman said:
I'm surprised more people are not trading in their cars for hybrid or electric cars.
This might me why.

http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/hybrid-vs-gasoline-vehicle-comparison-are-hybrids-worth-it.htm

Also, the reliability of the 2 engine systems of most hybrids is horrendous. Great idea, but the technology isn't there yet to make it worth your money.
 

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mshcherbatskaya said:
I have never been happier to ride a motorcycle. I get 60mpg, so every two weeks it costs me $16 bucks to refill my tank. I'm glad it's only a 4-gallon tank, since I have to use premium gas at $4.50 a gallon.
I used to drive a motorcycle. Then it got stolen. Oh well, shit happens I suppose.

Now I drive my '01 Tiburon. It gets 30mpg regularly, so that's half of what my motorcycle got (I was running about 60mpg on my bike too). Sucks when it rains, or snows, though. Or when you need to buy groceries...or carry anything...

The Pros of driving a motorcycle don't quite outweigh the cons. Oh well, it's a preference thing. And they are nice for when you're just going to visit somewhere.




Whenever I'm home in Norway, I just walk, or bike everywhere. I really only drive when I'm here in the states.
 

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I'm fifteen have an older sister that drives me to school and work two blocks away from my house.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA.
 

orreso

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you know what PS3fanboy, f*ck off, this isn't a thread to rub that in peoples faces because most of us here are affected.
 

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PS3fanboy said:
I'm fifteen have an older sister that drives me to school and work two blocks away from my house.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA.
translation= dude i'm so cool i'm not even old enough to own a car
 

JDLY

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Sorry. Just being an ideot.

How can I rub it into peoples faces that I don't have a car.
I live in a small town so if I want to go to any large store I have to get a ride from somebody in my family.

Which means I can't go to walmart to get a new game until somebody in my family actually has a better reason to go there.

So the prices do affect my gaming. Which was the original idea of this thread.
 

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T.H.O.R said:
mshcherbatskaya said:
I have never been happier to ride a motorcycle. I get 60mpg, so every two weeks it costs me $16 bucks to refill my tank. I'm glad it's only a 4-gallon tank, since I have to use premium gas at $4.50 a gallon.
I used to drive a motorcycle. Then it got stolen. Oh well, shit happens I suppose.
SNIP
Whenever I'm home in Norway, I just walk, or bike everywhere. I really only drive when I'm here in the states.
I had a motorcycle stolen. Waited hours for a cop to show up, then he spits tobacco juice all over the parking lot and said "It was probably the ." That still pisses me off thirty years later. I called after a couple of weeks to ask if any progress had been made (yeah, I was young and stupid) and was told they don't actually investigate stolen motorcycles because too many are stolen. That REALLY still pisses me off. Think there might be a connection between too many being stolen and the thefts not being investigated, Colombo? Then a week later I get a ticket and there are THREE police cars working a speed trap. I really showed my ass; luckily the cops were nice and didn't club me or arrest me. I called the assistant chief of police to inquire why the hell three cops would be working a speed trap when they don't have the manpower to investigate stolen vehicles and was told that it was for my convenience - "So you can get your ticket quicker." That... That...

I can't even say it. Luckily it appears not to be a crime to scream "Are you fucking insane?" at an assistant chief of police.
 

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PS3fanboy said:
Sorry. Just being an ideot.

How can I rub it into peoples faces that I don't have a car.
I live in a small town so if I want to go to any large store I have to get a ride from somebody in my family.

Which means I can't go to walmart to get a new game until somebody in my family actually has a better reason to go there.

So the prices do affect my gaming. Which was the original idea of this thread.
Most of us have to chose how much money to spend on gas and games, whereas you just have to wait until someone whom the prices REALLY effect to drive you to the nearest wal-wart or target or whatever store you have
 

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I have a good job, but a long commute.

$400 a month on gas right now between myself and my wife.

That puts a pinch on more than just gaming.
 

wgreer25

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x434343 said:
XD "Our" '02 Trailblazer (Me and my sister) gets about 75 at the pump. I laugh because my sister, who is basically an environmentalist, wants us to drill in Alaska because a) It will not do massive extinction b) cheaper gas and c)Alaskans support it.
Yeah, something alot of people glaze over, Alaskans support it. Unfortunately, it will not help in the short run and unless congress steps on and keeps the oil we drill for in our country, it won't help in the long run either. If the US dollar was better, gas prices would be better. Sorry world.

And Silvertounge, your comment about everybody owning a car is a little shortsighted. Have you been to America? Our cities are not laid out like European cities. I know of noone who lives close enough to work to walk/bike. Our cities and homes are much more spread out, a car is an unfortunate necessity. If I had to guess, I would say the average American is over 10 miles from his place of work and the nearest grocery store is probably 3+ mile away. Our geography is different and our city planning is different. Don't condemn an American for owning a car, unless you are willing to come to this country and try and live without one.