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GrowlersAtSea

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Honestly, I'm not all that worried about America as I am for the world as a whole. America is a rich, strong and fruitful nation. Governments and people go through changes over time, swinging one way then another, and it's easy to think that now the US is evolving into some super-Orwellian state, or in ten years if we have a president that believes in cut backs that the government is melting away. But in the end I doubt there will be much dramatic change that anyone will notice even in their lifetimes either way.

What does concern me more in the relative short-term (50 to 100 years) are some of the possible implications of climate change, human population and the expenditure of resources.

Personally I don't 100% believe many of the people who talk about global warming's implications, because frankly no one knows enough about it to be sure how something as complex, large and long lasting as our climate works. But between possible sea level changes, lack of glacial melt water, weather pattern changes, deforestation and carbon outputs, I don't doubt that we're hurting, not helping our environment. The end result though will likely be a decrease in arable land as a result of a myriad of changes, as well ad furthering water shortages in some areas.

Combine that with, that as a species we have the big problem that the Earth cannot sustain our population's rate of growth. Many projections tend to project the human population exceeding 9 billion by 2050 and probably further increasing before (hopefully) cresting. Everyone reading this has access to a computer, the Internet, almost surely has eaten at least once today and plans the same for tomorrow. But by the standards of many in the world, that makes you a very rich person, our global population as a whole isn't in that great a shape. But even where it is now at perhaps 60% of it's hypothetical peak, we're really making a mess of things.

And finally, the world's grand mistake of an fossil fuel based economy. It doesn't matter what country you live or what you do, if you live in a developed nation fossil fuels help make your life possible. But aside from what they're doing to our greenish blue sphere, the end run is that demand will continue to increase for them (both because of increased population and increased development) while supplies will not be increasing. The result is that the world economy will get more and more expensive to move along. This will probably have the greatest effect on developing and newly developed nations that have just built or are still building the infrastructure for fuels that are not the 'way of the future'. Some countries will be better off than others with remaining oil reserves or coal reserves (China will likely be pumping coals into furnaces for 250 years or more). But every country on Earth is going to have to tackle this problem.

Those are my biggest worries about the future. The US is rich and can likely adapt to a changing world as is needed, and at worst the US will probably always be able to produce enough food for itself. My worry is mostly for the people, not so much the nations, in many of the larger and less modernized nations of the world. As things change they will find it much harder to adapt, and the risk for famine, drought or unheard of economic calamity becomes very real.

The Earth probably cannot sustain our current population and resource consumption, but I would like to see them reduced through sensible policies and industries, and not by war, famine and disease.
 

Fire Daemon

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Has anybody seen back to the future 2? Well thats what I think is happening. The rich arseholes get the power and fuck stuff up. I was going to wirte a long two page reply but got lazy.
 
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No, I dont think that politicians are motivated solely by power and greed. they are also motivated by whatever ethos they happen to espouse, thinking that america would be a better place if everyone worshiped jesus/hated gay people/had lots of abortions/squirted out as many babies as they can/had no sex/took money from the rich/gave money to the rich/whatever.

I really think that the key problems we have here in america are as follows:

Reality TV. Nuff Said.

Christianity in Government/Education. It promotes sloppy thinking, or even nothinking. It gives people an iron-clad argument that requires no actual support or backup. plus, as a Atheist biology goober who wants to be a teacher, it just irks me personally. and by irk, I mean something more akin to "the burning hatred of a thousand suns."

Two-party political system. I mean, seriously. There's no good reason for the electoral college to still be around, aside from the self-interest of those in power. Now, I realize this is a pipe dream, but it's just so depressing that people accept this kind of bullshit, and no one is disgusted by politicians that are so shamelessly selfish.

We're bombarded on all sides by commericals entreating us to give money to third world countries, people haraunging us for the way Native Americans were treated, Our dependence on Oil, and everything else, that I think people have simply become numb to all of it. they just dont care anymore. and they cant see beyond american Idol, abortion, and the borders of their country. No one has any real depth of thinking or understanding.
 

PurpleRain

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Before this rages into a biblical flame war (get the pun cause god flamed Sodom... ok I hate you to) I just want to ask,

Since when did America become the world?
 

PurpleRain

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TheNecroswanson said:
yesterday dude, I tried to deliver the memo, but the secretary kept saying stuff like, "He's not here right now, you'll have to leave a message, he's at lunch (and) please stop touching me there or I'll call the police."
But I don't have a secretary... DUN DUN DUN!
 

Knight Templar

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you have too many laws.
In US the law is how you see it, so it can be twisted.
In OZ the law is what it is. You dont get to put you view on it, theres no room for misuse.

You elect a king fo 2 years, of corse its going to end badly.
 

Copter400

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Oh, I have plans for America. I know the destruction is coming. I don't know how it will happen, but it will come. When it does, thus begins a massive operation in which all the smart and nice people will be airlifted out of the country. Once the chaos has ended and all the jerks that were left behind are dead, the country will be repopulated under my benevolent rule and will be renamed Gamer Land.

Who's with me?
 

Geoffrey42

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Khell_Sennet said:
I'm just waiting for America to fall so that Canada can annex California, Colorado, Alaska, and Hawaii...
Hate to break it to you, but Hawaii, Alaska, sure. No strings attached. We don't get much out of them anyway (if we DID drill for oil there, whole 'nother issue entirely.)

But California, Colorado? You think those come for free? Oh no, not so fast. You want those states, you've gotta take Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, and Nebraska. You can't cherry-pick, and leave all the crappy, useless states in the middle behind. Heck, I think you could annex Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Utah right now, without much of a fight. The only people upset would be the Republicans who would stand to lose 2 more Senate seats than the Dems.
 

felltablet

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This is really simple, and unless you're a salivating novelist with an appetite for a host of tragic ideas, I don't see how it is inflating.
The U.S. has had it's time. The spoils of our massive industrial revolution combined with the degradation of European power from the World Wars gave rise to our MOMENT of prosperity.
That is it a moment a fleeting existence in time.
The country is not dying, it simply got to the bottom of it's milkshake and now needs to rely on a more nutritional diet.
We have become a service state, like much of the modern world, and therefore can no longer flourish.
 

Easykill

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America is not the world and there is no excuse to call it the world. And it in no way comes close to matching Romes dominance, when it falls we wont go through a regression. They're always pushing other countries, tryng to dominate them and twist them to their will.
They had a major part in creating the middle east as it is today, by always supporting the people who would give them the best deal without any thought to the consequences. I can sympathize with the "Terrorists" trying to drive out the Americans in Irac more than I can with the American government.
One day, they're going to cross the line, and discover they dont have any freinds left. It'll be slow, like Rome, but it will fall. Everything falls with enough time. Including my own country, you can't deny it so don't get bitter Americans, it's you're political system that's faulty, I don't have anything against you. Well, not the ones on this site anyways. Unless you're another newagelightbulb or something, because then I will hate you.
 

Easykill

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TheNecroswanson said:
I've broken down my theories so much that I've no idea where I was going with them anymore, so I'll say this.

America is young, and countries always go through terrible times in their early stages. So, I'm going to hope it all works out. Because in the end, hope is all a person has when everything else is taken away. And hope creates action, action creates results, results create countries. So, hope, and action will happen. Saying America will fall is too pesimistic, we already have enough of that, so we don't need it from gamers.
Hope creates nothing. I won't elaborate unless asked to. I read this article once that sayed America is old, and I had never thought of it that way before but I agreed. In years it's not that old, but it's old fashioned in it's thinking, how people beleive that to be against a decision the leader makes means you are a traitor and unpatriotic. And America hasn't changed much over time, the system and ideals of the people seem to be very much the same as they always have been. Not so for most other countries. This is a bad thing. Not changing = stagnation.