This is the hour of the Ultramarines!!! (Warhammer 40k announcement)

[Wrex Brogan]

...Wait, GW actually did something new with the setting by ACTUALLY moving things forward and bringing back a Primarch? Holy cra- oh, it's Papa Smurf. God dammit, you bring back the most boring Primarch? What the hell GW-

Oh. Ward's back. God dammit. Well, my money says by the end of wherever this goes, Papa Smurf somehow closes the Eye Of Terror, redeems the Traitor Primarchs and crowns himself the new God Emperor or something. I know, I'm assuming some restraint on the part of Ward, but it's possible he learned to hold back his Mary Sue Powers while he was away from the Codexes.

(That said I did like his Necron stuff, it just seems he can't do anything with Space Marines without fucking it 5 ways from Sunday.)

I feel I am the only one here that likes the Ultramarines.

Well, not the ONLY one, though to be fair I only like a rare few Ultramarines while the rest can choke on their boring mary sueness.

Oh Captain Tidus, if only Space Marine had received a sequel...

Well, too be fair, they already brought back Magnus the Red [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/magnus-the-red] to fight the Space Wolves - who, coincidently, got some of the fugliest models GW have produced in years [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Space-Wolves-Wulfen].

Do the traitor primarchs count though? I recall at least Angron showing up and ruining shit before, though I dunno if that's in with the current timeline or something (I don't keep much track of these things).

And holy fuck, those models are ugly. I'm getting the overdesigned complaint, jesus christ.

Outside of Big Blue Billy, who else would be reasonably able to to bring back? Khan?s missing in the webway, Vulkan?s missing with some orks somewhere, Corax and Russ are missing in the Eye of Terror, Ferrus and Sanguinius are dead, Lion is missing in the Warp, and Dorn is currently in a limbo of dead or Warp-missing.

Guilliman?s the only one who can be brought back reasonably currently. And from the rumors and leaks I?ve been seeing, he?s only the first Primarch to return. Some of the others will return in future installments.

Now the big thing is, how will the Dark Angels take to Cypher and some Fallen working with Guilliman and the Ultramarines? Potential large-scale war between the DA and their successors against the UM and their successors?

I know it does make some sense to bring Papa Smu- Guilliman back first, it's just... such a safe move. Boring. It's going 'you know those bland, boring marines who not a lot of people like given their shitty writing? Well here's the biggest, most boring, most overpowered of the lot of them!' rather than... well, taking a risk and pulling a Russ or Khan out of their arse. Hell, given how the Webway and Warp work it wouldn't even be any more of a surprise for them to show up either (and given the whole 'fall of Cadia' thing one of the warp-lost Primarchs would even fit the whole thing they're doing).

I am excited to see them actually doing something with the setting for once in... fuck, 5 years? 10? Christ I can't remember the last big plot thing they didn't immediately retcon, but it's just nice to see some life in the ol' stagnant pond. It's just also annoying to see Yet More Ultramarines at the forefront.

(and knowing the Dark Angels, probably very poorly. I dunno if they'd pull a DA vs. UM brawl with it since that feels like it'd work better as a major story focus rather than some side-lines to whatever they're doing with the Primarchs, but definitely some successor vs. successor stuff, at the very least to stick some SM vs. SM fights in the Codex.)

 

[09philj]

"We will defeat Chaos with our superior urban planning!"

This scenario would be funnier (And therefore better) if Marneus Calgar realised his primarch was nowhere near as much of a pimp as him and was forced to ***** slap him.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Do the traitor primarchs count though? I recall at least Angron showing up and ruining shit before, though I dunno if that's in with the current timeline or something (I don't keep much track of these things).

First War for Armageddon, he invaded with a big Chaos army some 300 years before "now". Not part of modern fluff (in that it's history) as such, but I think there was an expansion for the Armageddon game about it.

 

[Bobular]

I still just want my Dorn model!

I have thousands of points worth of Imperial Fist legionaries with no-one to lead them and rather than bring out a model for a character we've had rules for for ages they bring out a second boring model of Guilliman!

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

I am excited to see them actually doing something with the setting for once in... fuck, 5 years? 10? Christ I can't remember the last big plot thing they didn't immediately retcon, but it's just nice to see some life in the ol' stagnant pond. It's just also annoying to see Yet More Ultramarines at the forefront.

10 at least. The last major event I recall is Battle for Armageddon, which started in 2000. There was a smaller one after that, which name now eludes me, but it was the mother of all GW cop outs. As I recall it Imperial Guard and Eldar were the breakouts, winning a large margin of their games, with Space Marines and Chaos being the two factions that performed the worst. Yet the final verdict from GW was that Chaos overran the IG but were halted by the Space Marines who held them back until a Waagh showed up and destroyed the planet. Tau and Eldar, who both had good track records in the campaign itself, were pretty much omitted and given only token mentions.

This was on the tail end of 4th Ed (so 2006-ish) and the fan backlash from the nonsensical storytelling pretty much destroyed all prospects of another international story event.

 

[Mangod]

I am excited to see them actually doing something with the setting for once in... fuck, 5 years? 10? Christ I can't remember the last big plot thing they didn't immediately retcon, but it's just nice to see some life in the ol' stagnant pond. It's just also annoying to see Yet More Ultramarines at the forefront.

10 at least. The last major event I recall is Battle for Armageddon, which started in 2000. There was a smaller one after that, which name now eludes me, but it was the mother of all GW cop outs. As I recall it Imperial Guard and Eldar were the breakouts, winning a large margin of their games, with Space Marines and Chaos being the two factions that performed the worst. Yet the final verdict from GW was that Chaos overran the IG but were halted by the Space Marines who held them back until a Waagh showed up and destroyed the planet. Tau and Eldar, who both had good track records in the campaign itself, were pretty much omitted and given only token mentions.

This was on the tail end of 4th Ed (so 2006-ish) and the fan backlash from the nonsensical storytelling pretty much destroyed all prospects of another international story event.

Medusa V, I believe. Prior to that was the Fantasy Storm of Chaos, whose story and eventual result was also really f***in' poorly handled.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Medusa V, I believe. Prior to that was the Fantasy Storm of Chaos, whose story and eventual result was also really f***in' poorly handled.

Also, the previous 13th Black Crusade, and also Albion. Excepting Medusa (they'd learnt by then), GW promised big changes which never occurred.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Medusa V, I believe. Prior to that was the Fantasy Storm of Chaos, whose story and eventual result was also really f***in' poorly handled.

That's the ticket. The summary can be found here [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Fall_of_Medusa_V] and basically amounts to "everyone but the Necrons, Chaos and Tyranids won", which is pretty weird. It was immediately after Medusa V that they announced they would not be moving the meta plot forward any longer.

 

[Neverhoodian]

Ugh, Matt Ward is back? Why now of all times, when the story is finally progressing and things are coming to a head? I have a sinking feeling this might end up as the End Times all over again.

Well, at least there's still the Text-to-Speech series if the official lore goes pear-shaped.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Ugh, Matt Ward is back? Why now of all times, when the story is finally progressing and things are coming to a head? I have a sinking feeling this might end up as the End Times all over again.

Well...could be the End Times in a meta way...

 

[rosac]

Well, too be fair, they already brought back Magnus the Red [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/magnus-the-red] to fight the Space Wolves - who, coincidently, got some of the fugliest models GW have produced in years [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Space-Wolves-Wulfen].

... What the fuck have they done to Wulfen and Grimnar, my god. Russ would be furious.

To say I'm wary of this whole event would be an understatement, I'm still smarting from the end times/Aos rug pull (all those books you just ought? Now unusable in our stores, cheers GW). Guilliman coming back was very obvious, I would have liked a different primarch to come back first who has to travel to macragge to fix Guilliman butttt nah.

With Ward on the writing and rules I am so not looking forward to this, especially if Guilliman is wielding teh emporers sword.

It's weird because I haven't played 40k for 6 years but playing against my dad (Templars vs. Dark Eldar as the 3rd edition starter set demanded) for 8 years means I am still emotionally attached to it and I really really don't want the lore to get raped. What's happened to space wuffers is bad enough, as is Ultramarines becoming the best at everything, and the ridiculous amount of power armoured armies now, but this is make or break.

 

[Mangod]

Well, too be fair, they already brought back Magnus the Red [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/magnus-the-red] to fight the Space Wolves - who, coincidently, got some of the fugliest models GW have produced in years [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Space-Wolves-Wulfen].

... What the fuck have they done to Wulfen and Grimnar, my god. Russ would be furious.

It could be worse. Just take a look at this:

Joking aside, I really do feel that GW's designs are reaching critical mass. They need to start cranking back on the level of details on their models, because at this rate, we won't be able to see the models for all the extraneous details on them.

 

[rosac]

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I couldn't actually make out where that characters right hand was. Oh JRPGs.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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I couldn't actually make out where that characters right hand was. Oh JRPGs.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2: Grimoir of the Rift.

A game in the Ivalice setting.

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

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I couldn't actually make out where that characters right hand was. Oh JRPGs.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2: Grimoir of the Rift.

A game in the Ivalice setting.

Yup. Loved that game when I was a kid; I recall giving my Master Monk two shields and making him virtually invincible, while my Ranger stealthed across the battlefield and insta-killed everything with Phoenix Downs and X-Potions.

OT: So, what does everyone think the endgame is gonna be? Who wins? What happens if Chaos wins? Will the other major factions intervene?

Will GW pull an End Times, chuck aside the setting and try again?

Place your bets!

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Awww shit this is happening

Lube up your wallets people

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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I couldn't actually make out where that characters right hand was. Oh JRPGs.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2: Grimoir of the Rift.

A game in the Ivalice setting.

Yup. Loved that game when I was a kid; I recall giving my Master Monk two shields and making him virtually invincible, while my Ranger stealthed across the battlefield and insta-killed everything with Phoenix Downs and X-Potions.

OT: So, what does everyone think the endgame is gonna be? Who wins? What happens if Chaos wins? Will the other major factions intervene?

Will GW pull an End Times, chuck aside the setting and try again?

Place your bets!

Honestly I wish someone makes a 40k turned based Strategy game that plays like games like Advanced Wars, Heroes of Might and Magic, Fire Emblem, etc. Imagine a 40k like this:

 

[iwinatlife]

Heroes of Might and magic 40k sounds 7 different kinds of amazing....As long as it is heroes 3/5 era none of this terrible 6 and 7 bullshit

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Heroes of Might and magic 40k sounds 7 different kinds of amazing....As long as it is heroes 3/5 era none of this terrible 6 and 7 bullshit

I am just surprised no such Turned Based Strategy Game like the ones I mentioned were made in the 40k setting.

You think it would be marriage made from heaven? Imagine: A much more deeper Advanced Wars-like game in the 40k setting with awesome Battle and Kill animations when you attack?

I mean the closest thing we got was the Chess Game: