This is why I hate "Fake Geek/Gamer Girls"

[Moonlight Butterfly]

What's wrong with Lady Snowblood?

Nothing just a bit of a blast form the past I don't have a problem with people who don't read comics. It's just hypocritical to call someone a 'fake geek girl' and then not know what the fuck you are on about yourself.

That is true, especially since reading comics is not a prerequisite for being a geek?
(Or is it?)

Nope but I'd assume if you have the gumption to call someone out over a comic based character you should have at least some semblance of knowledge yourself.

It's this assumption that all men are accepted as geeks (Even if they are young and know fuck all about anything) and women are all assumed to be newcomers.

It pisses me off for obvious reasons. I read this very interesting article today about the psychology of 'fake geek girl' http://www.themarysue.com/psychology-of-the-fake-geek-girl/ I thought I would share it here.

 

[Something Amyss]

They still are demanding that DLC be made that changes the ending, all because they don't like where the game ended.

Again, not true. The bulk wanted what they were promised, which makes the art claim bull, too. When you make a commercial piece, you don't get to lie based on claims that you're an artist. If you say you will do X, Y and Z, you damn well need to do X, Y, and Z. If Bioware wants to hide behind art, they should stop acting like a business.

that was the idea of the "Retake Mass Effect" agenda.

False.

My whole point was that gamers seem to act entitled to things they really aren't entitled to.

And my whole point is that you used an example that's flat-out false. If your best case for this so-called false entitlement is an instance that isn't really true, then you don't have a solid leg to stand on.

You know what? Let's go a little deeper.

It's like someone asking Tony Kaye to change the ending of American History X because they wanted a more upbeat ending.

Most people seem fine with Shep's fate. Retake does talk about a nicer ending, but most of its complaints are about the choices not mattering in the end, about lack of closure, etc.

American History X is what it says on the tin.

Similarly....

I hate the Twilight films, but I don't feel the need to start a fundraiser to retake vampires, I just choose to ignore them.

But if you watch a Twilight movie, you pretty much know what you're getting. If you watched the Batman trilogy and the last reel was replaced with Twilight, you might have an issue. And you would probably not consider yourself entitled.

There is entitlement in gaming, and a lot of it comes from the makers. Game publishers want more special privileges than pretty much any industry not based on war or fossil fuel. Gamers were predominatly asking not to be lied to.

Yeah, those spoiled little brats.

 

[bug_of_war]

They still are demanding that DLC be made that changes the ending, all because they don't like where the game ended.

Again, not true. The bulk wanted what they were promised, which makes the art claim bull, too. When you make a commercial piece, you don't get to lie based on claims that you're an artist. If you say you will do X, Y and Z, you damn well need to do X, Y, and Z. If Bioware wants to hide behind art, they should stop acting like a business.

While you're right in saying that the promise of multiple endings was broken, as in the end you had A B and C to choose from, you're still forgetting that there are actually 3 different versions of Destruction, two different versions of Control, and then Synthesis. While they're not a huge branching tree, they are still differences that can occur for different people depending on how they played and decisions they made. Therefore, they kept there promise in the multiple different endings, however the promise that you are not going to just choose between A,B and C was broken and I can't defend them there. The game was still finished, it still had multiple different endings, albeit with somewhat similar events occuring through each of the (but come on, you're using the same weapon for each ending, of course they're going to be similar) and to then see a large portion of fans become so annoyed by the game that instead of just ignoring it and moving on, they demanded that the ending be changed.

that was the idea of the "Retake Mass Effect" agenda.

False.

It isn't false, 'Retake Mass Effect' was all about demanding that Bioware change the ending (be it entirely or to a certain degree, depending on whom you've talked to) so as that they could have the ending they wanted. They didn't care about the fact that there were some people who enjoyed/thought the ending was fine, they were mad because they didn't get the ending they wanted. Again, they had right to be annoyed that Casey Hudson lied about there not being an ABC choice at the end, that doesn't give them the right to demand the ending be changed, as there were still multiple different endings that were effected by the choices you made.

I hate the Twilight films, but I don't feel the need to start a fundraiser to retake vampires, I just choose to ignore them

But if you watch a Twilight movie, you pretty much know what you're getting. If you watched the Batman trilogy and the last reel was replaced with Twilight, you might have an issue. And you would probably not consider yourself entitled.

There is entitlement in gaming, and a lot of it comes from the makers. Game publishers want more special privileges than pretty much any industry not based on war or fossil fuel. Gamers were predominatly asking not to be lied to.

Yeah, those spoiled little brats.

Okay, maybe Twilight was a bad example, but let's go with the Star Wars prequels. Everybody thought that what they were getting was another funand interesting movie, and then it turned to shit. Now yes, people still complained abot the film, it's only natural for people to complain about things they do not like, but at no point were people going up to Geroge Lucas and saying "I demand you change this because I don't like it!". YES, people continue complaining about the prequels, even making a documentary that is called something like "George Lucas ruined my life", but you know what that says about those people? That they have literally NOTHING better to do than to ***** and moan about something that has been out for years and make themselves look like wankers due to their inability to just let it go and move on with their lives. And don't tell me the ending was like someone replaced the ending with a clip from an entirely different game. You had Shepard, The Illusive Man, and Anderson (Synthesis, Control, Destruction) in the citadel, and then Shepard doing sci-fi stuff to save the world. That's Mass Effect, sci-fi universe with the main protagonist always making the final decision.

About your idea that game publishers want more special privileges than others, while you may have a point, lets not forget that the film industry has been pushing for every movie to be converted/shot in 3D just so they can (in Australia, not sure about other countries rates) they can push the price for tickets up by 10 dollars.

You know what, I think I was too specific in what I meant by gamer's being intitled, geek culture in general seems to be entitled as all hell and it's annoying for those of us whom like certain things in that area "eg, super-hero movies, some game series" and then we get bashed on by a group of elitists who have to pick apart everything and throw it in our faces. Go on IMDB, look at the X-Men:First Class discussion boards, and you have a small group of people hating on the film because it didn't follow there expectations, and they refuse to see how others can find it enjoyable. It's similar to the Mass Effect ex fans whom get absolutely livid when websites/game shows nominate Mass Effect 3 for GOTY.

So yeah, to retract my previous statement of gamer's being entitled, I would now like to say that it is geek culture in general that is intitled.

 

[Something Amyss]

While you're right in saying that the promise of multiple endings was broken, as in the end you had A B and C to choose from, you're still forgetting that there are actually 3 different versions of Destruction, two different versions of Control, and then Synthesis.

I'm not forgetting them, you've just moved into splitting hairs.

 

[pirateninj4]

Mate, just don't be anything. You're only a weak ass cliche if you act like one. As long as you do whatever you want you're cool in my books. Just don't want to punch me in de face. Cause that's sh*t.

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

I was born and raised in the UK, I wasn't a geek or a nerd, though I have played video games my entire life, been in love with music and film and been somewhat socially inept. I got bullied every day and had my small group of friends that were into very similar stuff to me.

Thing is, I don't see all that many people trying to be what I was, the kids that bullied me in school are still kids now, mentally at least and the people that didn't physically pick on me are older, more mature and have evolved tastes separate from their child-like ones and aren't trying to be cool or be you or whatever.

So you're in school, you're 13 or 14 and you're getting beaten up every day by bullies and kids who just don't get your long hair, your glasses, your weight or whatever. They hate you because you're you and they don't get that, you're different. When they grow up to 23 or 24, they will have grown up mentally too (one supposes) and in which case would have changed their tastes.

The 13 year old bully in school may have listened to happy hardcore, while smoking, doing drugs and hating everyone different from him, doesn't mean he can't change. Doesn't mean that when he's 23 he can't have found rock and roll or classical music, quit smoking and doing drugs and is genuinely an acceptable member of society.

Let's say the same guy, somewhere in his growth cycle played Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, let's say he loved that game so much that he started looking for other games within the same genre, moves to Halo and loves the space setting, moves to Mass Effect loves the narrative and RPG elements, moves to Dragon Age then Dragon Quest and there are your degrees of separation. This kid has started from being a dick, to being a dick who likes games to being a dick who likes JRPGs and when his friends catch him playing Eternal Sonata they'll all tease him and be like, "yeah you're gay, why are you playing that gay thing, what the fuck is that shit" and he'll be bullied in his friend group for being different.

People change and this "fake gamer/geek" thing is just stupid. So a girl who was "hot" in school now plays Super Mario Bros and thinks that's nerdy, why should it effect you? Do you want to "take back" the word? Stick it to the man who thinks he can call us "geeks" and get away with it then decide he is one. That's extraordinarily childish and if you've got an attitude like that you're not a "nerd" or "geek" because they're synonymous with intelligence...which you don't have!

Thanks you

 

[bug_of_war]

I'm not forgetting them, you've just moved into splitting hairs.

They're still multiple. And if you get the extended cut, it explains the differences further. So while initially I can agree it is very much just splitting hairs, it still, in the end, had multiple endings.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Proust? PANSY. If you can't successfully decipher Finnegan's Wake and laugh smugly at all the clever references and word-plays that require you to know an immense part of of the said time-period and culture it was written in, you are nothing but a POSER.


(Obligatory Sarcasm-warning, and if you don't get the joke about Finnegan's Wake, you are said "poser").

It's spelled Finnegans Wake.

/preen

 

[RipperjackAU]

Oh yeah, and, I'm a gamer girl.
Come at me bro.

Well he could, but then you would scream sexual harassment, and he would get locked up for rape.

See the inequality?

 

[Phasmal]

Oh yeah, and, I'm a gamer girl.
Come at me bro.

Well he could, but then you would scream sexual harassment, and he would get locked up for rape.

See the inequality?

Uh... yeah, sure.... that happens! I remember all the dudes who harrass me on games going to prison-Oh no wait.

Yeeeah, I see a shitty necro that wasn't worth it.
Better luck next time.
*edit spelling error, lol

 

[MetroidNut]

why has this gone on for 9 pages

the guy's name was "Toilet"

on feb 16 he replied to a thread about rape with "Only when she is asking for it"

 

[Gypsyssilver]

To accuse someone of being a fake nerd is to say they aren't nerd enough. To say that does not make the person who said it a true nerd or a true gamer- it makes them a hipster. Instead of being a pretentious hipster proclaiming their love of x band before it was "cool", the gaming hipster proclaims their love of gaming before it was "cool", and sneers down their nose at anyone who isn't with "it" as much as they are. Hipsters suck. Don't be a hipster. Hipsters who are misogynists suck worse. Don't be a misogynistic hipster.

Haha, I love it. You really nailed them.

I'm a girl who's been playing video games since the Sega Master System came out when I was a kid.

I've been called a nerd before. I hate being called a nerd. It's not a label that I give myself.

Gamer? Well, ok. I don't mind that one as much. I do play video games. I love playing video games. It's probably more that the term isn't as negative though - just a descriptor of what I'm actually doing.

I agree with the Jimquisition. It's a bit odd that people who play games are known as gamers, when people who read books aren't called bookers etc. It just shows there's still a way to go before games are completely mainstream. To that end, I think we should be encouraging people who identify themselves as 'gamer' or 'nerd'. I don't care if they fought in the trenches of the great console war of yesteryear or if they've only just started playing Angry Birds on their IPhone. It doesn't matter. The more people playing games, the more accepted as a normal part of daily life they become - and that can only be a good thing.