This is why I think that animals are superior to humans
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Humans are animals.
And no, your 'logic' doesn't make sense. Fun fact, guess who created logic as a framework for rational thinking? Which species utilizes reason, the only thing allowing you to make these arguments? Which species has enough intelligence and empathy to even feel something other than fear while watching the video?
Us.
Yeah, we're shit heads sometimes. Most of the time we're being shit heads, interestingly enough, is when we fall into the "animal" side of our actions - herd instinct, violence when frightened, etc.
And no, your 'logic' doesn't make sense. Fun fact, guess who created logic as a framework for rational thinking? Which species utilizes reason, the only thing allowing you to make these arguments? Which species has enough intelligence and empathy to even feel something other than fear while watching the video?
Us.
Yeah, we're shit heads sometimes. Most of the time we're being shit heads, interestingly enough, is when we fall into the "animal" side of our actions - herd instinct, violence when frightened, etc.
dolphins do kill thing just for fun (after young porpoises bodes washed up on the shores of Scotland)ruben6f said:
examination of the mammals' bodies revealed the injuries - broken ribs, imploding lungs, damaged livers and massive internal bleeding - could only have come from prolonged, focused attacks.
they are a non-rival non threatening species and there is no reason outer then the dolphins just killing for the hell of it.
cats(hosehold) also tend to kill with no reason(the neborse cat that drags home a bird every week is proof of that one)
There are plenty of animals out there that kill and incapacitate there pray in horrid painful ways. The animal kingdom is brutal when you get down to it.
Yes those kids are horrid and do need to be punished but don't lump me in with them. And don't say we are all worse then animals solely based on some teens being retards
It's funny how the animals that are the biggest assholes(chimps, dolphins, etc) are also the ones we view as the most intelligent.
There's probably a moral lesson somewhere in there, I just can't bring myself to care enough to find it.
There's probably a moral lesson somewhere in there, I just can't bring myself to care enough to find it.
To address your points.
1) I would punish these kids by making them understand what they had done. If this doesn't make them regret doing it, put them in reeducation program.
2) Your logic makes a [i/]little[/i] bit of sense. Yes, humans have done more bad things then animals, but on the other hand, we have done FAR more good things than animals as well.
3) No. I hate to be "That guy", this needs to be said: Human life is more valuable than animal life. Period. Yes, there are exceptions, but only in the case of humans who are doing bad things to other humans.
On a final note, have some pride in your species, people! The Escapist community is one of the most self-hating groups I have ever seen. I LIKE humans. I LOVE what we have done with the planet. Sometimes we fuck things up , but that is no reason to put ourselves down forever.
1) I would punish these kids by making them understand what they had done. If this doesn't make them regret doing it, put them in reeducation program.
2) Your logic makes a [i/]little[/i] bit of sense. Yes, humans have done more bad things then animals, but on the other hand, we have done FAR more good things than animals as well.
3) No. I hate to be "That guy", this needs to be said: Human life is more valuable than animal life. Period. Yes, there are exceptions, but only in the case of humans who are doing bad things to other humans.
On a final note, have some pride in your species, people! The Escapist community is one of the most self-hating groups I have ever seen. I LIKE humans. I LOVE what we have done with the planet. Sometimes we fuck things up , but that is no reason to put ourselves down forever.
Intelligence is realising you have the ability to make other living creatures suffer.
Wisdom is knowing when not to do it.
Chimpanzees, Dolphins and Orcas have all been shown to have cruel, sadistic qualities. Orcas have killed trainers, intentionally toying with them, giving them just enough air to keep living, to keep the game going.
As humans, we have the grace to learn not to do it as we grow. We learn to recognise other things feel the same way we do. Most animals don't have enough intelligence to control other animals, and do not exploit abilities they may possess.
All children under 7 years old are inherently cruel, unless they have been taught patiently not to be. As children grow they realise, at about the age of seven, though it varies, that other creatures have feelings, that they feel pain as keenly as the child does. Then they learn to stop over time, usually with stronger feelings of compassion developing in the late teens, or early twenties.
It is both natural, and sad that this occurs.
Wisdom is knowing when not to do it.
Chimpanzees, Dolphins and Orcas have all been shown to have cruel, sadistic qualities. Orcas have killed trainers, intentionally toying with them, giving them just enough air to keep living, to keep the game going.
As humans, we have the grace to learn not to do it as we grow. We learn to recognise other things feel the same way we do. Most animals don't have enough intelligence to control other animals, and do not exploit abilities they may possess.
All children under 7 years old are inherently cruel, unless they have been taught patiently not to be. As children grow they realise, at about the age of seven, though it varies, that other creatures have feelings, that they feel pain as keenly as the child does. Then they learn to stop over time, usually with stronger feelings of compassion developing in the late teens, or early twenties.
It is both natural, and sad that this occurs.
Actually, many animals do hunt for sport. Several of them purposefully torture for entertainment. Hell, watch your average housecat play with a mouse, torture it, kill it, and then just leave it somewhere. You don't even need to move beyond domesticated animals to find this sort of behaviour.ruben6f said:
The whole "animals are so pure and noble" thing is just as much a crock of shit as the whole "humans are so pure and noble" thing.
And the degree to which animals are rational is hotly debated and very likely to be in the favour of the rational side. Certainly animals don't just consistently make "irrational" decisions (how would they survive? what would being "irrational" even mean?), they just seem essentially unable to take certain variables into account (or at least unable to take certain sets of variables into into account at once) when they make decisions.
And all of this is ignoring the giant problem that is training in favour of suggesting that these are essential qualities of the species in question. Starting early enough, I'd be surprised if there are many animals at all that can't be taught to kill and torture for fun. For just about all animals (including humans), they can be taught to go either way on the whole cruelty thing pretty readily.
Well I think you may have just won.The_White_Crane said:
Anyhow, animals are also capable of cruelty although it often goes unnoticed because they don't carry video cameras.
BTW, I didn't watch the video because as soon as I saw the still image of the dog on fire, I didn't want to watch it.
Yes, only humans do stupid things. Animals never do stupid things, ever...
Oh wait, humans are animals. We do dumb things, sometimes these dumb things are amazingly horrible.
Oh wow, time to insult our entire species.
Oh wait, humans are animals. We do dumb things, sometimes these dumb things are amazingly horrible.
Oh wow, time to insult our entire species.
...he asked for a citation and you gave him Purina.Generic Gamer said:
This is the problem with reporting on science - they always take results and act as though they're consensus and, even worse, act as though they're some uncovered truth rather than a current theory. Everything mentioned in that article is very contested in animal psychology, especially the bit about them not being self-aware and not being capable of conceptualising pain.
There is a strong prevailing belief (among the general population anyway, animal psychologists tend, if anything, to fall into the opposite camp) that animals are innocent because they are ignorant little black boxes of behavioural responses without complex beliefs like theories of mind (or in this case a theory of pain). If this is the hypothesis you start at, it's quite possible to explain almost any behaviour without ascribing them any real "beliefs" like we do humans. But you can do that for humans too - the only reason we don't is that we know that we can directly intuit that we do form theories about things like pain in others.
if you changed your mind the edit button helpsruben6f said:
else your gona hear it some more
but if you want a diffident angle i can give it a shot
(warring possibly Fox news level spin incoming)
Humans are responsible for the direct increase in the population of many species of animals(dogs,chickens,cows, Mickie whales)
we may have our cruel side but billions of animals would not be here if it wasn't for humans
That fat little cat my grandma treats like her little daughter has committed more murder than i will in my lifetime, and as far as I'm concerned, people will voice out similar opinions in this thread because there ain't a rule about posting entirely unique opinions on any forum.ruben6f said:
I personally find extremist animal lovers and their "z0mg humans are soooo bad"-attitude and their disregard for human race and life (which they are part of ) as abhorrent as the human who victimized harmless animals.
And humans are wasting precious resource on Pandas, you know, the most useless race ever, except they are soooooo cuuuuteeeee! [/sarcasm]
Thats because dogs are not advanced. Advanced animals such as dolphins have been known to torture porpoises just for the fun of it.
YOU HAVE A PET NAMED HITLER?GamerKT said:
lol jk.
ot- im sure you've read this 10 times by now, but humans are animals. also going by one deed to judge an entire race is foolish.