This thread's racist!

[The Funslinger]

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

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Yes. Anybody can be a victim of racism. White people, black people, asian people, anthropomorphic trees. Anyone. The assumption that only "people of colour" can be treated in a racist fashion is disgusting.

 

[ratzofftoya]

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

Yes. My response would be much more bilious if the moderation wasn't so effective on here. I suggest you actually find out what racism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism] is.

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

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Yes. Anybody can be a victim of racism. White people, black people, asian people, anthropomorphic trees. Anyone. The assumption that only "people of colour" can be treated in a racist fashion is disgusting.

Both of y'all. "Race" is not biological. Race is a social construct created by white people to justify subjugation of others. Therefore racism = prejudice + power. Any critical theory or critical race theory scholar will give the same exact definition. Prejudice + Power. Groups other than whites don't have the power (a.k.a. long-standing institutions, generations of accumulated wealth, social cache) to exercise racism on others. They can be the victims of "discrimination," for sure, but they can't be the victims of "racism." I'd be glad to debate this, but FYI, this is coming from more than just a casual understanding of these topics.

Thx!

 

[TehCookie]

Sometimes I have to laugh at how embedded racism is.

Spoiler

Face it you were expecting a black accent.

Spoiler: You know what's really racist? Black history month.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

Yes. My response would be much more bilious if the moderation wasn't so effective on here. I suggest you actually find out what racism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism] is.

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

...

Yes. Anybody can be a victim of racism. White people, black people, asian people, anthropomorphic trees. Anyone. The assumption that only "people of colour" can be treated in a racist fashion is disgusting.

Both of y'all. "Race" is not biological. Race is a social construct created by white people to justify subjugation of others. Therefore racism = prejudice + power. Any critical theory or critical race theory scholar will give the same exact definition. Prejudice + Power. Groups other than whites don't have the power (a.k.a. long-standing institutions, generations of accumulated wealth, social cache) to exercise racism on others. They can be the victims of "discrimination," for sure, but they can't be the victims of "racism." I'd be glad to debate this, but FYI, this is coming from more than just a casual understanding of these topics.

Thx!

So what you're saying is that white people can't be victims of racism?

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That's hilarious.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

They marched in Leicester because white is apparently the ethnic minority here. That's just one example.

That relates in no way to muslim extremism. Sorry but you can't argue in favor of the EDL.

I'm not trying to justify them, I was trying to understand the video I was shown.

Hey guys, how about we all read this instead and stop being racist:

http://jezebel.com/5905291/a-complete-guide-to-hipster-racism

My only response to your article.......

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This thread isn't 'hey guize let's all be teh racists OLOLOLOLOL' it's about mocking racism. If you mock it and laugh at how stupid it is then it takes away racist's ammunition to hurt and offend'. That's the point of the thread, so just chill out.

So you are, I assume, a person of color who can identify and speak on behalf of all other persons of color and victims of racism to determine precisely what has the capacity to hurt and offend?

As someone who has been the victim of racism, I don't think it's funny to dredge up old stories just to laugh at them. I don't think they're funny, and I especially don't think white people should "mock" them as if they are innocent of any racism or prejudice. So cut it out.

I am a person of color and I have been the victim of racism and I think you are making a big thing out of nothing.

 

[DJjaffacake]

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

Yes. My response would be much more bilious if the moderation wasn't so effective on here. I suggest you actually find out what racism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism] is.

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

...

Yes. Anybody can be a victim of racism. White people, black people, asian people, anthropomorphic trees. Anyone. The assumption that only "people of colour" can be treated in a racist fashion is disgusting.

Both of y'all. "Race" is not biological. Race is a social construct created by white people to justify subjugation of others. Therefore racism = prejudice + power. Any critical theory or critical race theory scholar will give the same exact definition. Prejudice + Power. Groups other than whites don't have the power (a.k.a. long-standing institutions, generations of accumulated wealth, social cache) to exercise racism on others. They can be the victims of "discrimination," for sure, but they can't be the victims of "racism." I'd be glad to debate this, but FYI, this is coming from more than just a casual understanding of these topics.

Thx!

Racism=Discrimination against people because of or including their race. Simples!

And, er, race is biological, for example, black people have more of the pigment melanin in their skin because it helps protect against sunburn.

And "groups other than whites (white people) don't have the power". Have you ever heard of, say, Africa? Or Asia? Or even Latin America at a push?

 

[ratzofftoya]

So what you're saying is that white people can't be victims of racism?

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That's hilarious.

I'm glad you find it funny, considering the intent of this demeaning and offensive thread. But I assume you also mean that you don't agree with me. Tough to start a dialogue if you don't explain why. I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

 

[The Funslinger]

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

Yes. My response would be much more bilious if the moderation wasn't so effective on here. I suggest you actually find out what racism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism] is.

I'm pretty sure assuming that only "people of colour" are ever the victims of racism is pretty damn racist.

Is there anyone else that can be the victim of racism?

...

Yes. Anybody can be a victim of racism. White people, black people, asian people, anthropomorphic trees. Anyone. The assumption that only "people of colour" can be treated in a racist fashion is disgusting.

Both of y'all. "Race" is not biological. Race is a social construct created by white people to justify subjugation of others. Therefore racism = prejudice + power. Any critical theory or critical race theory scholar will give the same exact definition. Prejudice + Power. Groups other than whites don't have the power (a.k.a. long-standing institutions, generations of accumulated wealth, social cache) to exercise racism on others. They can be the victims of "discrimination," for sure, but they can't be the victims of "racism." I'd be glad to debate this, but FYI, this is coming from more than just a casual understanding of these topics.

Thx!

Actually, as part of my college education, I was required to attain a qualification called "Equality and Diversity", a large part of which was racism in society. Racism being the prejudiced treatment or generalizing characteristics of someone based on their race. While slave trading by white society was one of the original and worst offenders, that doesn't exclude white people from being on the receiving end of racism. Racism isn't exclusively prejudice backed by power. That's subjugation, with racial motives. That in itself is not exclusive to white people either. For an example, watch that film where Samuel L Jackson plays a cop living next door to the protagonist. That's racial subjugation through use of power in which the subjugator is a black man.

And race is biological. Ergo a child's race depends on the race(s) of his parents. That isn't any reason to treat said person any differently, but that does not mean the concept of race doesn't exist.

 

[ratzofftoya]

Racism=Discrimination against people because of or including their race. Simples!

And, er, race is biological, for example, black people have more of the pigment melanin in their skin because it helps protect against sunburn.

And "groups other than whites (white people) don't have the power". Have you ever heard of, say, Africa? Or Asia? Or even Latin America at a push?

That's not what racism is. I just told you what it is. You're describing discrimination based on race. I am describing racism.

"Race" is not biological. Black people have more melanin. That doesn't make them a different "race." Dividing and segregating people into discrete groups based on that physical distinction above all others is a social practice, not a biological one. People have arbitrarily selected particular characteristics together and defined them as one or another "race." These categories coincided quite neatly with geographic areas that white Europe wanted to dominate and colonize. If you don't understand or just choose to ignore this basic concept, then you are being silly.

I've heard of those continents. Are you trying to make a point, or just asking that question?

 

[ratzofftoya]

Actually, as part of my college education, I was required to attain a qualification called "Equality and Diversity", a large part of which was racism in society. Racism being the prejudiced treatment or generalizing characteristics of someone based on their race. While slave trading by white society was one of the original and worst offenders, that doesn't exclude white people from being on the receiving end of racism. Racism isn't exclusively prejudice backed by power. That's subjugation, with racial motives. That in itself is not exclusive to white people either. For an example, watch that film where Samuel L Jackson plays a cop living next door to the protagonist. That's racial subjugation through use of power in which the subjugator is a black man.

And race is biological. Ergo a child's race depends on the race(s) of his parents. That isn't any reason to treat said person any differently, but that does not mean the concept of race doesn't exist.

Wow, you have a qualification, that's pretty neat. "Race" is a concept that does not apply to whites. It is not biological. It is the arbitrary grouping of biological characteristics intended to describe a group of people in order to justify their subjugation. White people don't have a "race" other than one they have defined FOR THEMSELVES. Samuel L Jackson's character (ha ha) had individual power, but not the power of society and a history of 400 years of slavery lifting him up over his white neighbor.

Here's a simple example: it took black people 600 years and 18 MAJOR Supreme Court decisions until institutionalized racism was dismantled in the U.S. It took one white man (Alan Bakke) 2 years and one Supreme Court case to end racial quotas at public universities. If you call both obstacles these people faced "racism," meaning prejudice + power, you are quite obviously mistaken.

 

[maninahat]

My friends (Andy and Nate) and I like to call each other racial slurs as terms of endearment. Nate (who is black) calls me a coon (I'm white), I call him a cracker etc. We throw it around so much, ****** became a standard filler word, though one we'd never use around other people.

Anyway, whilst out and about, being the childish idiots that we are, we'd purposely misread the signs for amusement. One day, we pass a hospital, and Andy sees the sign. "Oh look, its St. Cocks of Mary Nigg-" just as he's saying this (a little too loudly), a black person walks past in the opposite direction. "-er OHSHITOHSHITOHSHITDIDHEHEAR?" I don't think the guy heard, but I back handed Andy, just to be sure.

The moral is, keep your damn mouth shut and adjust your language whilst around people who might take offense.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

Its inaccurate because you seem to be under the false idea that racism involves a White person inflicting some form of harm towards a "person of color" purely because of the "person of colors" skin color/bone structure. Its not. When the Mexican mafia orders for their member to target innocent Black people, that is racism despite there being no White people involved.

 

[ratzofftoya]

I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

Its inaccurate because you seem to be under the false idea that racism involves a White person inflicting some form of harm towards a "person of color" purely because of the "person of colors" skin color/bone structure. Its not. When the Mexican mafia orders for their member to target innocent Black people, that is racism despite there being no White people involved.

Sorry, I didn't mean to give that impression. In the instance you mentioned, prejudice (based on race) is being levied against a disempowered community. It is, therefore, racism. The instance where it wouldn't be "racism" is a Mexican mafioso ordering a hit against white people because of their race. Though it WOULD be prejudiced, and it WOULD unquestionably be a shitty, horrible thing to do.

 

[DJjaffacake]

Racism=Discrimination against people because of or including their race. Simples!

And, er, race is biological, for example, black people have more of the pigment melanin in their skin because it helps protect against sunburn.

And "groups other than whites (white people) don't have the power". Have you ever heard of, say, Africa? Or Asia? Or even Latin America at a push?

That's not what racism is. I just told you what it is. You're describing discrimination based on race. I am describing racism.

"Race" is not biological. Black people have more melanin. That doesn't make them a different "race." Dividing and segregating people into discrete groups based on that physical distinction above all others is a social practice, not a biological one. People have arbitrarily selected particular characteristics together and defined them as one or another "race." These categories coincided quite neatly with geographic areas that white Europe wanted to dominate and colonize. If you don't understand or just choose to ignore this basic concept, then you are being silly.

I've heard of those continents. Are you trying to make a point, or just asking that question?

I know you told me what you think racism is, but you are provably wrong. Type define racism into google, go to the wikipedia article, look it up in a dictionary.

The shared phenotypic characteristics of black people, most predominantly skin colour, do make them a race. This is biology. You are right, however that segregation isn't biological, but that doesn't stop race being biological.

Characteristics that define each race are not arbitrary, they are the clear and most obvious physical traits of a group of people from the same geographic area. They did not coincide with areas white people wanted to colonise, they coincided with areas where people shared certain physical traits. That's just a generic appeal to "all white people are evil."

I asked if you had heard of those regions because you claimed "groups other than whites don't have the power," which is patently untrue in those places.

 

[Eddie the head]

Why do I get the feeling this thread is a magnet for temp-bans? Oh well, already posted.

Like I said in the OP, we're mocking the idea of racism.

In that case there is this.


Last part is so raciest. Not all Germans play the drums.

 

[The Funslinger]

Actually, as part of my college education, I was required to attain a qualification called "Equality and Diversity", a large part of which was racism in society. Racism being the prejudiced treatment or generalizing characteristics of someone based on their race. While slave trading by white society was one of the original and worst offenders, that doesn't exclude white people from being on the receiving end of racism. Racism isn't exclusively prejudice backed by power. That's subjugation, with racial motives. That in itself is not exclusive to white people either. For an example, watch that film where Samuel L Jackson plays a cop living next door to the protagonist. That's racial subjugation through use of power in which the subjugator is a black man.

And race is biological. Ergo a child's race depends on the race(s) of his parents. That isn't any reason to treat said person any differently, but that does not mean the concept of race doesn't exist.

Wow, you have a qualification, that's pretty neat. "Race" is a concept that does not apply to whites. It is not biological. It is the arbitrary grouping of biological characteristics intended to describe a group of people in order to justify their subjugation. White people don't have a "race" other than one they have defined FOR THEMSELVES. Samuel L Jackson's character (ha ha) had individual power, but not the power of society and a history of 400 years of slavery lifting him up over his white neighbor.

Here's a simple example: it took black people 600 years and 18 MAJOR Supreme Court decisions until institutionalized racism was dismantled in the U.S. It took one white man (Alan Bakke) 2 years and one Supreme Court case to end racial quotas at public universities. If you call both obstacles these people faced "racism," meaning prejudice + power, you are quite obviously mistaken.

I only mention my qualification because you arbitrarily implied that you were so much more versed in this topic than either of us.

In any case, white people cataloguing race doesn't make it suddenly invalid. Race isn't an inherently bad thing, as there's a difference between categorization and segregation

And yes, historically, black people have suffered a larger amount of racial prejudice over the years. Nobody is contesting that. That's more or less down to the fact that they were what you'd call the latecomers to the civilization that ultimately became the one we live in today. It's not right, but if it had been the other way around, it would have been just as bad.

Statistics mean nothing to the individual, and it doesn't change the fact that white people have and also do suffer racially motivated attacks, prejudice and segregation. To suggest it doesn't work both ways is nothing short of bigoted.

And once again, racism does not mean prejudice by someone in a position of power. It takes some seriously impressive mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

Its inaccurate because you seem to be under the false idea that racism involves a White person inflicting some form of harm towards a "person of color" purely because of the "person of colors" skin color/bone structure. Its not. When the Mexican mafia orders for their member to target innocent Black people, that is racism despite there being no White people involved.

Sorry, I didn't mean to give that impression. In the instance you mentioned, prejudice (based on race) is being levied against a disempowered community. It is, therefore, racism. The instance where it wouldn't be "racism" is a Mexican mafioso ordering a hit against white people because of their race. Though it WOULD be prejudiced, and it WOULD unquestionably be a shitty, horrible thing to do.

Please, go away, you are just ruining this thread for everybody. If you don't like the discussion, don't join in. We think we are not being racist. You think we are. It is obvious nobody is changing their minds, so don't waste your time and derail the thread while you are at it. If anything I have said now or previously has caused harm, I will gladly apologise for it, and the last thing I want, is to cause harm. If you want to have a discussion about the definitions of race and racism, go start your own thread, although it will no doubt descend into flame wars in seconds.

 

[Hazy992]

So what you're saying is that white people can't be victims of racism?

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That's hilarious.

I'm glad you find it funny, considering the intent of this demeaning and offensive thread. But I assume you also mean that you don't agree with me. Tough to start a dialogue if you don't explain why. I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

Well your definition is wrong, plain and simple, and for you to say that white people can never be victims of racism because of your warped definition is so absurd it's laughable.

 

[Hjalmar Fryklund]

a somewhat old joke my brother made i think.

why did the black guy cross the road?, to get to the chicken on the other side.

i also find it funny that a Swedish stereotypes is afraid of being called racist, funny considering how open most people i meet are to race jokes.

Have you seen Hellenius´ comedy sketches of Jimmie Åkesson? I would recommend you catching one of those.

To the OP: On reflection, the video came off as rather unfunny and unpleasant.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I gave you the definition of racism. You have it. Can you explain to me how it's inaccurate?

Its inaccurate because you seem to be under the false idea that racism involves a White person inflicting some form of harm towards a "person of color" purely because of the "person of colors" skin color/bone structure. Its not. When the Mexican mafia orders for their member to target innocent Black people, that is racism despite there being no White people involved.

Sorry, I didn't mean to give that impression. In the instance you mentioned, prejudice (based on race) is being levied against a disempowered community. It is, therefore, racism. The instance where it wouldn't be "racism" is a Mexican mafioso ordering a hit against white people because of their race. Though it WOULD be prejudiced, and it WOULD unquestionably be a shitty, horrible thing to do.

Why wouldn't it be racist if the Mexican mafia ordered there members to kill White people?