This whole "blaming fast food for obesity" thing really needs to stop.

[The Gnome King]

Lack of access to medical insurance is the number one predictor of your lifespan being cut short. Women who can't get well-woman checkups get STDs and issues with reproduction down the line. If you have an illness and have no access to medical care you can easily "give up" because - hey, what's the point? Also bankruptcy for medical bills is #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US - and the poor have far less access to healthy food. When trying to feed. Family McDonalds is CHEAP CALORIES - I can link to a bazillion studies on this if you would like me to do your research for you. The list goes on and on.

 

[The Gnome King]

I think that the fault needs to be put on the fact that organic, healthy food is so expensive. If someone can't afford fresh vegetables, then it doesn't matter how much they want to eat healthy, they're stuck at mcDonalds.

Stop worrying about whether it is organic and just go to the local supermarket and get some veggies. Evil pesticides are not a problem if you wash your veggies. And it has always been cheaper to prepare your own meals any time I have tallied up the costs compared to buying premade(fast food or microwave).

Do you also tally up the costs of time=money and meal prep=time?

I'm with you, bro - I'm an upper-middle class white person who has always had medical insurance. Now I live in an (upper middle class, white) family that also has health insurance and extra time to wash veggies for dinner. My wife (a vegan, we're all vegan) spent 2 hours making soup for the "family" tonight because .she.has.time. to do this.

Wouldn't be the case if we were poor and had a few kids.

Yes, I take time into account. Most people actually have more time than they think, but manage it poorly or choose to devote it to something else. Plus cooking and meal prep is not generally an end-to-end process during which nothing else can be done.

Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

 

[DanDeFool]

Epic Meal Time is the most disgusting thing I have seen since I learned about the Holocaust in history class.

That said, I like how they tried to make and drink out of a cup made of bacon. It didn't work, but I still think it was cool how they tried.

As a history major I can tell you there's a lot more disgusting things out there than the Holocaust and epic mealtime.

This particular video is actually based off old cooking techniques. I described it to my mom (who hardly ever goes on youtube) and she knew what it was. Henry VIII ate similar dishes to this, and so much meat was a luxury usually only available to the wealthy. Now days meat is cheap and usually pumped full of growth hormones.

It would not surprise me at all if the Holocaust is relatively tame by historical standards; people are capable of some horrific stuff. The fact that Epic Meal Time is the most stomach-turning thing I've been exposed to as of late is something I should definitely be thankful for.

And, apparently, Henry VIII is a pig in more ways than one.

 

[Ken Sapp]

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Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

Job, yes. Kids, not as of yet. However, the lack of either does not create an automatic ignorance of the situation of those who have both. Your friend who is working 2 jobs and going to school while raising 2 kids would definitely have a shortage of time. Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

You seem to assume that I am a kid myself or at least that is how I read your final paragraph. I am neither taken care of by others nor am I still a child. I work full time to support myself (only one job) and am working on a degree to further my career, besides which I also help out my sister by watching my niece so she can go to classes, help my grandfather out on his farm and otherwise spend a good deal of my time helping out family whenever they need it.

When I say most people have more time than they think I am not speaking out of ignorance or an idealized view of the world around me. I know people who manage to cook full meals while chasing a house full of children, I also know people who prepare a weeks worth of food and reheat it during the week because they don't have time to cook during the week.

 

[The Gnome King]

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Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

Job, yes. Kids, not as of yet. However, the lack of either does not create an automatic ignorance of the situation of those who have both. Your friend who is working 2 jobs and going to school while raising 2 kids would definitely have a shortage of time. Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

You seem to assume that I am a kid myself or at least that is how I read your final paragraph. I am neither taken care of by others nor am I still a child. I work full time to support myself (only one job) and am working on a degree to further my career, besides which I also help out my sister by watching my niece so she can go to classes, help my grandfather out on his farm and otherwise spend a good deal of my time helping out family whenever they need it.

When I say most people have more time than they think I am not speaking out of ignorance or an idealized view of the world around me. I know people who manage to cook full meals while chasing a house full of children, I also know people who prepare a weeks worth of food and reheat it during the week because they don't have time to cook during the week.

Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

Where do you get off saying that it isn't the norm? How do you know what "the norm" is, might I ask? That would seem to require a level of omniscience I have yet to see in any human being.

My point is that many working adults do not have a lot of time; and McDonalds being the only food outlet in poor, urban areas (and providing a source of cheap calories) can cause people to become quite unhealthy.

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http://www.legalfish.com/TheDailyTackle/2010/03/24/wheres-the-vege-food-deserts-and-the-urban-poor/

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-08-29/health/poverty.health_1_health-insurance-poverty-health-care?_s=PM:HEALTH

http://thewordlasc.weebly.com/fast-food-restaurants-fulgham.html

Commenting on a Washington Post article, Joshua Bardwell wrote: ?When it comes to food, there?s not much to argue about. You?ve gotta eat. If you don?t live close to a grocery store and you don?t own a vehicle, your choices are pretty limited.?

And, that phenomenon is more and more common for individuals of limited means living in poor urban neighborhoods. The term ?food desert? was coined more than a decade ago in Great Britain, where it was used to describe the phenomenon of supermarkets withdrawing from cities to build larger stores on the outskirts. In the U.S., a similar trend has developed. It is increasingly difficult to find an urban supermarket as more and more stores move to the suburbs and construct big-box stores.

This corporate practice, which causes gaps in food access, has been closely correlated with diet-related diseases such as cancer, obesity, and diabetes. Healthy foods are also more expensive and less available in poor areas

I love how the conservative mindset is that all problems could simply be solved if everyone just worked as hard as they did. I know people who exist in grinding, soul-sucking poverty while working multiple jobs and living without health insurance or access to doctors. Have you ever lived under these conditions? If you're working on a farm I assume you have access to quite a bit of healthy food.

Not everyone was born so lucky.

 

[The Gnome King]

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Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

Job, yes. Kids, not as of yet. However, the lack of either does not create an automatic ignorance of the situation of those who have both. Your friend who is working 2 jobs and going to school while raising 2 kids would definitely have a shortage of time. Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

You seem to assume that I am a kid myself or at least that is how I read your final paragraph. I am neither taken care of by others nor am I still a child. I work full time to support myself (only one job) and am working on a degree to further my career, besides which I also help out my sister by watching my niece so she can go to classes, help my grandfather out on his farm and otherwise spend a good deal of my time helping out family whenever they need it.

When I say most people have more time than they think I am not speaking out of ignorance or an idealized view of the world around me. I know people who manage to cook full meals while chasing a house full of children, I also know people who prepare a weeks worth of food and reheat it during the week because they don't have time to cook during the week.

I actually had a fairly extensive reply to this but it seems to be lost in the ether of the internets.

Here's a simple link -

http://www.legalfish.com/TheDailyTackle/2010/03/24/wheres-the-vege-food-deserts-and-the-urban-poor/

?When it comes to food, there?s not much to argue about. You?ve gotta eat. If you don?t live close to a grocery store and you don?t own a vehicle, your choices are pretty limited.?

And, that phenomenon is more and more common for individuals of limited means living in poor urban neighborhoods. The term ?food desert? was coined more than a decade ago in Great Britain, where it was used to describe the phenomenon of supermarkets withdrawing from cities to build larger stores on the outskirts. In the U.S., a similar trend has developed. It is increasingly difficult to find an urban supermarket as more and more stores move to the suburbs and construct big-box stores.

This corporate practice, which causes gaps in food access, has been closely correlated with diet-related diseases such as cancer, obesity, and diabetes. Healthy foods are also more expensive and less available in poor areas. Simultaneously, there is a lower prevalence of independently owned grocery stores in low-wealth and predominantly Black neighborhoods and a greater proportion of households without access to private transportation in these neighborhoods.

Suffice to say the conservative mindset of "if everyone just worked as hard as I did they would be fine" has been dis-proven many, many times over.

 

[Ken Sapp]

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Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

Job, yes. Kids, not as of yet. However, the lack of either does not create an automatic ignorance of the situation of those who have both. Your friend who is working 2 jobs and going to school while raising 2 kids would definitely have a shortage of time. Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

You seem to assume that I am a kid myself or at least that is how I read your final paragraph. I am neither taken care of by others nor am I still a child. I work full time to support myself (only one job) and am working on a degree to further my career, besides which I also help out my sister by watching my niece so she can go to classes, help my grandfather out on his farm and otherwise spend a good deal of my time helping out family whenever they need it.

When I say most people have more time than they think I am not speaking out of ignorance or an idealized view of the world around me. I know people who manage to cook full meals while chasing a house full of children, I also know people who prepare a weeks worth of food and reheat it during the week because they don't have time to cook during the week.

I actually had a fairly extensive reply to this but it seems to be lost in the ether of the internets.

Here's a simple link -

http://www.legalfish.com/TheDailyTackle/2010/03/24/wheres-the-vege-food-deserts-and-the-urban-poor/

?When it comes to food, there?s not much to argue about. You?ve gotta eat. If you don?t live close to a grocery store and you don?t own a vehicle, your choices are pretty limited.?

And, that phenomenon is more and more common for individuals of limited means living in poor urban neighborhoods. The term ?food desert? was coined more than a decade ago in Great Britain, where it was used to describe the phenomenon of supermarkets withdrawing from cities to build larger stores on the outskirts. In the U.S., a similar trend has developed. It is increasingly difficult to find an urban supermarket as more and more stores move to the suburbs and construct big-box stores.

This corporate practice, which causes gaps in food access, has been closely correlated with diet-related diseases such as cancer, obesity, and diabetes. Healthy foods are also more expensive and less available in poor areas. Simultaneously, there is a lower prevalence of independently owned grocery stores in low-wealth and predominantly Black neighborhoods and a greater proportion of households without access to private transportation in these neighborhoods.

Suffice to say the conservative mindset of "if everyone just worked as hard as I did they would be fine" has been dis-proven many, many times over.

I do have access to quite a bit of healthy food but it is not due to working on a farm, rather I know how to get to and from the grocery store and I don't waste my money on organic produce which is less productive and more costly to produce than fertilized and pesticided crops. I also know where the local farmer's market is located. My grandfather plants a small plot of vegetables every year and there is an overabundant pear tree(still have preserves from 2-3 years ago) but it is not where I work or get any appreciable percentage of my food from.

I am going to end there because if I go any further this thread is likely to get derailed. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[The Gnome King]

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Do you have kids and a job? If not, you have NO IDEA how little time most people have. Double for that if, like a good friend of mine, you are working 2 jobs, going to school & raising two children.

As kids it's easy to have all the answers for the worlds problems; adults realize it gets a bit more complex than people are fat and poor because they're lazy - anyone who says that is being taken care of by somebody else, 9 times out of 10.

Job, yes. Kids, not as of yet. However, the lack of either does not create an automatic ignorance of the situation of those who have both. Your friend who is working 2 jobs and going to school while raising 2 kids would definitely have a shortage of time. Bravo that your friend is standing up and taking responsibility to better themselves, but that is not the norm.

You seem to assume that I am a kid myself or at least that is how I read your final paragraph. I am neither taken care of by others nor am I still a child. I work full time to support myself (only one job) and am working on a degree to further my career, besides which I also help out my sister by watching my niece so she can go to classes, help my grandfather out on his farm and otherwise spend a good deal of my time helping out family whenever they need it.

When I say most people have more time than they think I am not speaking out of ignorance or an idealized view of the world around me. I know people who manage to cook full meals while chasing a house full of children, I also know people who prepare a weeks worth of food and reheat it during the week because they don't have time to cook during the week.

I actually had a fairly extensive reply to this but it seems to be lost in the ether of the internets.

Here's a simple link -

http://www.legalfish.com/TheDailyTackle/2010/03/24/wheres-the-vege-food-deserts-and-the-urban-poor/

?When it comes to food, there?s not much to argue about. You?ve gotta eat. If you don?t live close to a grocery store and you don?t own a vehicle, your choices are pretty limited.?

And, that phenomenon is more and more common for individuals of limited means living in poor urban neighborhoods. The term ?food desert? was coined more than a decade ago in Great Britain, where it was used to describe the phenomenon of supermarkets withdrawing from cities to build larger stores on the outskirts. In the U.S., a similar trend has developed. It is increasingly difficult to find an urban supermarket as more and more stores move to the suburbs and construct big-box stores.

This corporate practice, which causes gaps in food access, has been closely correlated with diet-related diseases such as cancer, obesity, and diabetes. Healthy foods are also more expensive and less available in poor areas. Simultaneously, there is a lower prevalence of independently owned grocery stores in low-wealth and predominantly Black neighborhoods and a greater proportion of households without access to private transportation in these neighborhoods.

Suffice to say the conservative mindset of "if everyone just worked as hard as I did they would be fine" has been dis-proven many, many times over.

I do have access to quite a bit of healthy food but it is not due to working on a farm, rather I know how to get to and from the grocery store and I don't waste my money on organic produce which is less productive and more costly to produce than fertilized and pesticided crops. I also know where the local farmer's market is located. My grandfather plants a small plot of vegetables every year and there is an overabundant pear tree(still have preserves from 2-3 years ago) but it is not where I work or get any appreciable percentage of my food from.

I am going to end there because if I go any further this thread is likely to get derailed. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

You completely ignored the part where grocery stores aren't available in many inner-city areas - "When it comes to food, there's not much to argue about. You've gotta eat. If you don't live close to a grocery store and you don't own a vehicle, your choices are pretty limited."

But, you already seem to have your mind made up so you're right; further discussion will be fruitless.

 

[okogamashii]

Schools make people watch Supersize Me in health class. Well, they should also watch Fathead, which totally debunks everything that was said in Supersize me.

Supersize me was Vegan propaganda. No one should ever be forced to watch that shit. The reason fast food, TV and video games get blamed for obesity is because they're convenient scapegoats that are not PC and no one will defend them because of that. People fail to keep in mind that schools are assigning ungodly amounts of homework to students now, which is also majorly contributing to sedimentary lifestyles. Although PC states, and this is clearly bullshit, that teachers are above reproach and can never have their actions questioned.

I have no respect for educators at all. For every good one, there's 199 shitty ones who would be fired at any other job.

I know it was vegan propoganda, hence the recommendation to watch Fathead instead.