Thoughts On Controversial Subjects

[Zydrate]

I'm curious as to what your guys thoughts on controversial subjects are. What do you think of 4chan, and by extension, Anonymous?

What are your thoughts on Cannabis Control or other drug abuse issues?

What are your thoughts on Third Wave Feminism?

Just curious.

1) Controversy.
I believe nearly everything can be discussed in a civil manner. I enjoy talking about these subjects myself, because I don't get worked up when someone disagrees. I only get worked up when someone tried portraying their opinion as a fact.
This very thing was brought up on the Bethesda Forums, so I presented this logic:

Subject: Liver (As a food item)
Incorrect: Liver is horrible, I don't know how you can stand it.
Correct: I don't care much for the taste of Liver, myself.

Y'know, that kind of thing.

2) 4Chan / Anon
I mostly support it, but only by voice. Some may think I'm the type that "talks a big game but doesn't back it up." That's just it, though. I don't talk "big", I just talk. I think Anon's goals are just. Their methods are amusing, but probably wrong.

3) Drugs
I used to be a zealot with anti-intoxication, but I keep remembering this guy I knew in High School. He smoked pot (Or "did" pot, I don't know anything about this stuff) but what was one of the smartest kids in that school. Finished tests early, aced them, and was just intelligent all-around.
Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

4) Feminism
I have no idea. Not a subject I'm versed in.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I barely even acknowledge 4chan and Anonymous, think we might as well legalize cannabis and other relatively harmless drugs, and I don?t know what the fuck ?third wave feminism? is. Feminism has never been a topic I?ve ever cared about.

 

[Phasmal]

I've seen plenty of stories for people being jailed for not being able to pay child support.

About the "moral decision", do you think it's ok for a woman to go "well I never wanted the child so I'll kill it off". Yes, it's her right to abort it so it should be ok for the man not to pay and at the same time give up all rights and responsibilities to the child, a financial abortion, if you will.

I'm sure that there are more people not paying child support and not in jail than in jail for it.

Not quite sure where the killing thing came from but okay?

As for the `financial abortion`, I know plenty of people who have done exactly that. Dude didn't want the baby so lady says `Thats fine you dont have to be involved`. Happens a lot. I don't know how you'd go about getting that legally enforcable or if that would be a good idea.

I'm not pretending to have easy answers, I don't. I dont think anybody does, I was just sharing ideas.

 

[Jonluw]

3) Drugs
I used to be a zealot with anti-intoxication, but I keep remembering this guy I knew in High School. He smoked pot (Or "did" pot, I don't know anything about this stuff) but what was one of the smartest kids in that school. Finished tests early, aced them, and was just intelligent all-around.
Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Well, no. Drugs aren't called depressants.
Depressants [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant] are a specific class of drugs.
They are the opposite of stimulants, which is a class containing drugs such as caffeine and cocaine.

Alcohol, for example, is a depressant. Cannabis is sort of. Depends on who you ask, I figure.

And forgetting what you do while under the influence is hardly unique to cannabis. *cough*Alcohol*cough*.
And as with alcohol, the memory loss effect only occurs to a significant degree after a relatively large intake of the drug. That is to say: you have to be pretty stoned to not remember what you did the next day.

 

[iAmNothing]

I think controversial topics are controversial for a reason: there are too many people in the extreme pools of thought, i.e. they think something should be DEFINITELY banned or it DEFINITELY shouldn't be, there are too few people in the middle group so you get some very heated debates and it normally ends in tears..

We need more neutral parties who make everything more complicated!

 

[Zydrate]

3) Drugs
I used to be a zealot with anti-intoxication, but I keep remembering this guy I knew in High School. He smoked pot (Or "did" pot, I don't know anything about this stuff) but what was one of the smartest kids in that school. Finished tests early, aced them, and was just intelligent all-around.
Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Well, no. Drugs aren't called depressants.
Depressants [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant] are a specific class of drugs.

Alcohol, for example, is a depressant. Cannabis is sort of. Depends on who you ask, I figure.

And forgetting what you do while under the influence is hardly unique to cannabis. *cough*Alcohol*cough*.
And as with alcohol, the memory loss effect only occurs to a significant degree after a relatively large intake of the drug. That is to say: you have to be pretty stoned to not remember what you did the next day.

Hey fair enough. Admittedly it's also not a subject I'm terribly versed on and won't claim as such.

I only know what I saw; A druggie student who took it like a champ and came out on top.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

I wouldn't touch 4chan with a 40ft pole, though I concede I've had very little experience with it. As for Anonymous, I find it hard to form an opinion on an organisation for whom literally anyone can speak on their behalf. With regard to Feminism I support the basic principle behind it; i.e. bringing gender equality into fruition, though I might not necessarily agree with certain people on what measures need to be taken to achive this, or what constitutes misogyny (and perpetuation of same)/oppression and staunchly oppose the more radical proponents of the movement. For example, misandrists nutjobs like Andrea Dworkin are only part of the problem and serve to denigrate the public perception of Feminism. I agree with Jonlow's opinion pertaining to drugs, I'm in favour of Euthanasia, gay marriage and...really I'm finding it hard to nail down anything specific as I'm rather socially libertarian and really don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't causing any harm.

I do not support anything to do with a theocracy

I agree, though I wouldn't really call that a controversial opinion, I would imagine (or hope at least =/) that most people in Western society would be averse to this.

 

[Zydrate]

Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Drugs are not usually called depressants, that's just 1 type of them.

You get uppers (caffeine) and downers (alcohol). I don't know if you think this but people don't say they are depressants because they think they make you depressed.

Uh, no. I don't think depressant = depression. A Depressant is just, as you said, a "downer". It doesn't make you "sad", it just makes you feel a bit low.

Er, that's how I understand it anyway.

Also, someone already covered this a couple replies ago.

 

[iAmNothing]

I feel I should post my own views as a little insight into the not so complex workings of my simple mind

Legalize marijuana: tax it as you wish, take it as you wish, make up some nice drug 'n' drive laws like with alcohol, watch everyone pay a lot of money so that they can make themselves feel like they've got a mild case of the flu

Whilst we have marijuana legalized, we may as well get some other softcore drugs legal, maybe mephadrone.

Let the feminists, homosexuals, ethnicities, religious types and any other groups that feels oppressed say their bit then elect some representatives of each group to come and join their countries democracies, then they can try and make everything fair for their groups. If these oppressed groups happen to live in non democratic countries then they should either suck it up because they're not gonna get change or they should seek asylum anywhere that will let them

 

[Jacques le Page]

im interested in why people are against muti-culturisum...
if you have difrent people living together then culture is going to have to addapt to suport as many sides of the culture as it can
can you show me a negive example of multi-cultureisum?

also im anti death penalty because is you give death as a punishment then why dont you just make murder in vengagce legal? (eg whats the difrece between the government killing your brothers murder and you killing him yourself?)

 

[Jonluw]

Well, no. Drugs aren't called depressants.
Depressants [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant] are a specific class of drugs.

Alcohol, for example, is a depressant. Cannabis is sort of. Depends on who you ask, I figure.

And forgetting what you do while under the influence is hardly unique to cannabis. *cough*Alcohol*cough*.
And as with alcohol, the memory loss effect only occurs to a significant degree after a relatively large intake of the drug. That is to say: you have to be pretty stoned to not remember what you did the next day.

Hey fair enough. Admittedly it's also not a subject I'm terribly versed on and won't claim as such.

I only know what I saw; A druggie student who took it like a champ and came out on top.

Indeed.
It's the same as with alcohol, really.
If you aren't abusing them, soft drugs shouldn't really affect your performance socially and/or academically.
It's all about keeping the use recreational.

Granted, to quote George Carlin, hallucinogens tend to be value changers. That is, they may change the way you view certain things. They have a tendency to let you see things differently, and may give a certain "wow, why have I not realized this before" effect.

So I guess you could say any drug affects your social performance to some degree. That's not to say they're bad. Hell, alcohol has helped me have a somewhat normal social life and be comfortable around others in a party setting.
The benefit of drugs like cannabis though, is that they don't impede your judgement like alcohol does. I've done stupid things with the help of alcohol that cannabis would never make one do.

 

[Zydrate]

Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Drugs are not usually called depressants, that's just 1 type of them.

You get uppers (caffeine) and downers (alcohol). I don't know if you think this but people don't say they are depressants because they think they make you depressed.

Uh, no. I don't think depressant = depression. A Depressant is just, as you said, a "downer". It doesn't make you "sad", it just makes you feel a bit low.

Er, that's how I understand it anyway.

Also, someone already covered this a couple replies ago.

That's ok, looking at your "1 guy was fine on pot so all drugs are fine" attitude I wondered what your thoughts were.

Don't just think because weed is relatively harmless that we should all go out and do speedballs and take heroin to the eye.

Uh, wow. Excuse me? Since when did I say "1 guy was fine on pot so all drugs are fine"?
I also don't see where I said "It's okay for everyone to do speedballs and heroin"

Yes, I saw one kid did well with it. That simply led me to my conclusion that it's not as EVIL as the media and apparently, you, make it out to be.

 

[DeadFOAM]

I had a wall-o-text typed out, but then I was too shy to press the post button. Damn my anxiety and apprehension.

Edit: Started typing when there were only a half dozen responses. Look where it ended up.

4chan: occasionally funny, but mostly crap.
Anonymous: Agreeable motives, questionable actions recently
Cannibis: Legalize it, tax it, treat it similar to alcohol.
Third Wave Feminism: Not familiar enough to comment.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

What are your thoughts on Cannabis Control or other drug abuse issues?

What are your thoughts on Third Wave Feminism?

Marijuana is provably less damaging to the human body than alcohol or tobacco. Marijuana is less likely than any other drug (including caffeine) to causes actions that are dangerous to the individuals or others. Marijuana was only made illegal in the first place because the Cotton lobby wanted to make Hemp products illegal, to gain a monopoly. The only reason that marijuana is a "gateway drug" is because it is illegal - if you are already breaking the law for one thing, why not for another? If marijuana were legal, it would no longer act as a gateway. And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community - it treats several of the more deadly side-effects from cancer and cancer's treatments.

So there is absolutely no reason for Marijuana to be illegal.

As for Third Wave Feminism - I am a third-wave feminist. It's one reason why I'm so outspoken about sexuality. I seek to reclaim words like *****, ****, and slut, and I see nothing wrong with pornography when drugs or financial exploitation are not involved. Furthermore, I love sex and seek to do away with sexual censorship and American prudishness through actions and my writing.

BTW - when people talk about feminism being bad, they're almost always talking about Second Wave. If you actually do your research, those are the people who say insane things like "all sex is rape." Second wave sucks ass.

Edit: Having read the rest of the thread - I am shocked by how little people know about Third Wave Feminism!

No wonder people are always like "Feminists suck!" - you guys have no idea what modern feminism (third wave) stands for.

Here's the link. Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism

 

[Jonluw]

im interested in why people are against muti-culturisum...

There's a long thread on it on the religion and politics board if you want to know what people think of the concept.

And welcome to the escapsist.
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[Jonluw]

And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community

Hey now! Alcohol's handy for emergency treatment of methanol poisoning.
[sub]Although methanol poisoning wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for alcohol.[/sub]

Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got in defence of it.

It's one reason why I'm so outspoken about sexuality. I seek to reclaim words like *****, ****, and slut, and I see nothing wrong with pornography when drugs or financial exploitation are not involved. Furthermore, I love sex and seek to do away with sexual censorship and American prudishness through actions and my writing.

Wait, what? I haven't gotten that impression from you at all!
I thought you were all puritan and prudish