Thoughts on Hawthorne, Ca Police Kill Dog

[Ando85]

I apologize if this thread has been done. I did several searches and didn't find any so here we go.

Warning this is a bit graphic as it shows a dog being shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

I believe the owner was getting arrested for being inside a perimeter set up by police to protect people near a crime scene. This is illegal.

There is two opposing views here. Most react with outrage because the dog got shot and killed by a police officer and that there were other options that wouldn't of resulted in the dog's death. The other view is that it was the owner's fault for not restraining the dog properly and disrupting the police at a crime scene.

The youtube debate in the comments gets sort of vile with name calling and such due to no mods I guess. I think this might be a better place to talk about it. What is your stance on this situation and why?

 

[ShipofFools]

It didn't look like much of a perimeter to me. The guy was being a bit cocky, but did not seem to be doing anything illegal.
But those uniformed thugs? No good words for them. They are not heroes, only bullies and sociopaths.

 

[Tayh]

The guy was being extremely provocative. It's unfortunate it had to result in the death of an innocent dog.
Some situational awareness might have helped?

 

[Shadowstar38]

They saw the windows were still wide open and they didn't give him a second to secure the dog better. This further confirms my cops are scum theory.

 

[ShipofFools]

They saw the windows were still wide open and they didn't give him a second to secure the dog better. This further confirms my cops are scum theory.

And they didn't let him command his dog, and that one bastard kepped walking towards the dog, and that one bastard reached for his gun instantly instead of... you know, the non-lethal option.

He probably got a big boner from shooting killing a man's best friend.
You guys ever talked to cops? I mean outside of their uniform? They get real kicks from their position of power and the use of violence.

 

[Shadowstar38]

They saw the windows were still wide open and they didn't give him a second to secure the dog better. This further confirms my cops are scum theory.

And they didn't let him command his dog, and that one bastard kepped walking towards the dog, and that one bastard reached for his gun instantly instead of... you know, the non-lethal option.

He probably got a big boner from shooting killing a man's best friend.
You guys ever talked to cops? I mean outside of their uniform? They get real kicks from their position of power and the use of violence.

I feel as though you're being satirical here...

 

[Johnnyseven]

Large, dangerous dog attacks armed man. Armed man kills dog. That's absolutely fine with me. I have no problems at all with that part of it.

The cops to me seemed way out of line grabbing the guy like they did but I don't know the laws of the land in 'merica. To me it seemed he was being a bit of a prick which probably isn't helpful, that doesn't excuse the cops of course.

 

[ShipofFools]

They saw the windows were still wide open and they didn't give him a second to secure the dog better. This further confirms my cops are scum theory.

And they didn't let him command his dog, and that one bastard kepped walking towards the dog, and that one bastard reached for his gun instantly instead of... you know, the non-lethal option.

He probably got a big boner from shooting killing a man's best friend.
You guys ever talked to cops? I mean outside of their uniform? They get real kicks from their position of power and the use of violence.

I feel as though you're being satirical here...

Eh, at first I was serious, then I realised I sounded like a guy with a tinfoil hat and just ran with it.
But honestly, I never liked cops, and this clip did not change my opinion in any way.

I've had some bad experiences with the popo, and when a policeman joined my social circle, he just went ahead and confirmed all my prejudices with his stories of how awesome it is to harass people who can't do anything about it.

I won't say all cops are bastards... but it's a job that seems to attract a lot of people who are bastards anyway.

 

[Vivi22]

Looked like they easily could have let him try and get the dog under control and properly restrained. There was plenty of time for it and it's not like they were arresting some violent criminal who was likely to run. Sure, the guy shouldn't have been there and probably should have secured the dog better to begin with, but the cops could have handled that much differently.

Still, it wasn't as awful as some instances of cops shooting dogs. I've seen plenty of videos where they shot barking dogs that were leashed and well restrained in someone's yard and absolutely no threat to anyone.

 

[zarker]

Large, dangerous dog attacks armed man. Armed man kills dog. That's absolutely fine with me. I have no problems at all with that part of it.

More like dog tries to defend it's master who it's sees as being in danger. The cop made a threatening move, i.e. walking forward like he was going to grab him, and the dog went into fight mode. Walking towards a dog that feels threatened is asking for trouble, this cop is a fucking idiot. There were much better ways to handle this and if he knew a thing about animals this wouldn't've happened.

Although the owner is acting like a prick. Seriously? Antagonize dudes with guns when you have a rott around? You're their leader and they follow you.

Sadly the dog is the one that paid for these two idiots' stupidity.

 

[Johnnyseven]

More like dog tries to defend it's master who it's sees as being in danger. The cop made a threatening move, i.e. walking forward like he was going to grab him, and the dog went into fight mode. Walking towards a dog that feels threatened is asking for trouble, this cop is a fucking idiot. There were much better ways to handle this and if he knew a thing about animals this wouldn't've happened.

I agree, the cop could probably have benefited from knowing more about dogs. However, the dog clearly went to attack him, at least it looks that way to me. I'm sure adrenaline probably had something to do with the cop not thinking perfectly straight. I would rather see a dog dead because of a somewhat foolish move and a jumpy man than a man with his arm chewed up. If it was a smaller dog then its a different matter but with dogs of that size/breed, I would have done the same thing.

I don't own a dog but isn't there some sort of training you can put a dog through so that it doesn't snap/jump at someone for waving a hand near its face? I always think the responsibility lies with the owner for stuff like this, unless of course someone straight up attacks the dog.

It's all a pretty stupid situation to me.

 

[Glongpre]

Well, the dog did lunge at the officer, and shit, those dogs are scary. I don't understand why they went over to him anyway, was he talking to them or something? All I saw was him taking a picture or video, no big deal. There wasn't any tape that I saw in the video.

Maybe it is because of movies but I was expecting a bunch of blood, not that I am disappointed. Made me think of my own dog q.q.

 

[zarker]

I agree, the cop could probably have benefited from knowing more about dogs. However, the dog clearly went to attack him, at least it looks that way to me. I'm sure adrenaline probably had something to do with the cop not thinking perfectly straight. I would rather see a dog dead because of a somewhat foolish move and a jumpy man than a man with his arm chewed up. If it was a smaller dog then its a different matter but with dogs of that size/breed, I would have done the same thing.

I don't own a dog but isn't there some sort of training you can put a dog through so that it doesn't snap/jump at someone for waving a hand near its face? I always think the responsibility lies with the owner for stuff like this, unless of course someone straight up attacks the dog.

It's all a pretty stupid situation to me.

The dog thought it was being attacked. If a dude you can't understand walks towards you trying to grab you, wouldn't you defend yourself? You can train a dog to not be real bite-y but I don't think there's many creatures that wouldn't defend themselves when they think they're being attacked.

Second part depends on your philosophy. I don't view humans as better than other animals so I think being bit for a problem I caused is fair enough. My view is that it's not my right to place value on someone or somethings life.

Gotta hate situations like this.

 

[Kennetic]

It sucks for the dog but I don't blame the cops one bit. If I was in that situation I would have shot the dog too. I'm not taking chances with a 120lb rottweiler that's trying to charge me. What I saw was poor judgement on the owner's side for mouthing off to cops and not rolling the window up when he put the dog in the car. Not the dog's fault for defending it's owner but that's not an excuse to get mauled by the damn thing.

 

[likalaruku]

I've heard at least 3 dozen stories in the past year & a half of police shooting dogs & kittens without provocation, or simply because the barking annoyed them.

Site hasn't updated since February, so it's missing most of the shit from this year. http://dogmurders.wordpress.com/

 

[spartan231490]

I apologize if this thread has been done. I did several searches and didn't find any so here we go.

Warning this is a bit graphic as it shows a dog being shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

I believe the owner was getting arrested for being inside a perimeter set up by police to protect people near a crime scene. This is illegal.

There is two opposing views here. Most react with outrage because the dog got shot and killed by a police officer and that there were other options that wouldn't of resulted in the dog's death. The other view is that it was the owner's fault for not restraining the dog properly and disrupting the police at a crime scene.

The youtube debate in the comments gets sort of vile with name calling and such due to no mods I guess. I think this might be a better place to talk about it. What is your stance on this situation and why?

He was not inside the perimeter, he was arrested for filming them(which is perfectly legal).

With that out of the way, this was an abomination. If you watch the video, the dog was clearly not attacking but being friendly. It sniffed around the ground, and was just standing there. Then, after being approached by the officer, it jumped, not at the officer like they claim, but straight up in the air like most excited dogs will do, and they shot it. Did you also know that the man in question is currently suing that police department on the grounds of police brutality? They punished him by killing his dog, plain and simple. Anyone who has spent much time with dogs can see that the animal was being friendly, not violent, and they shot it anyway.

It is my firm belief that all 3 officers involved should be fired for failing to keep their cool in a stressful situation, it's not safe to have police who fire their guns at non-threats just because they're in a stressful situation. Further, the officer that actually fired his weapon should be liable in the same way that a civilian would be, both in criminal and civil courts.

 

[Gone Rampant]

... MotherFUCKERS...

That cop was in the wrong, 100%. I mean, you don't just shoot a dog like that.

They should have let him go to control the dog, or at least let him comfort the dog after they pumped him full of lead.

If only Nash (Host of WTFIWWY) covered stories like this- he doesn't do stuff that results in death or serious bodily harm. Guy can rip you apart verbally like no-one's business.

Edit: The guy's gonna bring them to court. I *really* hope he wins and they have to turn in their badges.

Just... fuck, I hate police sometimes. (Sorry to any police who read this- it's just the members who do this who are the assholes).

 

[spartan231490]

Large, dangerous dog attacks armed man. Armed man kills dog. That's absolutely fine with me. I have no problems at all with that part of it.

The cops to me seemed way out of line grabbing the guy like they did but I don't know the laws of the land in 'merica. To me it seemed he was being a bit of a prick which probably isn't helpful, that doesn't excuse the cops of course.

Have you ever spent any time with dogs? That dog wasn't attacking, he was being friendly, you can tell by the way he sniffed at the ground and the way that his "threatening lunge" was straight up like a dog excited about meeting new people, not straight at the officer like a dog that was attacking would. Also, pay attention to his tail and ears, it's hard to see but they're both up, not down like a dog that's angry. Also look at the mouth, it's wide open and his tongue is lolling out. If he were attacking, his tongue and lips would be drawn back, and his mount would be mostly closed in a growl or a snarl. Not to mention, the officer was using aggressive body language and approaching the dog in a threatening manner as if trying to instigate it, not calm it down. The cops were so far in the wrong, they couldn't even see the right.

As for legality, they didn't charge him with anything because he broke no laws, but it's legal for them to arrest and hold you for one or two days(depending on the state) for no reason at all. And the man was acting standoffish because he was being arrested for no reason by the same police department he is currently suing for police brutality. I bet you'd be a little upset too.

Looked like they easily could have let him try and get the dog under control and properly restrained. There was plenty of time for it and it's not like they were arresting some violent criminal who was likely to run. Sure, the guy shouldn't have been there and probably should have secured the dog better to begin with, but the cops could have handled that much differently.

Still, it wasn't as awful as some instances of cops shooting dogs. I've seen plenty of videos where they shot barking dogs that were leashed and well restrained in someone's yard and absolutely no threat to anyone.

There was no reason for him not to be there, the OP is mistaken, he was not inside their perimeter. They arrested him because they don't like being filmed, and while it's legal to film officers, it's also legal for them to arrest and hold you for a day or two with no cause. Also, they're not publicizing this, but he was filming them because he is suing their department for police brutality.

 

[Woodsey]

I dunno, everyone in this situation seems streets behind.