Thoughts on Hawthorne, Ca Police Kill Dog
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The idiot initiated a pissing contest with armed members of authority.
The idiot got himself arrested after completely failing to restrain his animal correctly.
Said idiot knew he was getting arrested, complied with the cuffing, after just letting the dog in the back of the car with the window open.
At that stage he didn't know how long he would have been away from his DANGEROUS ANIMAL. Dogs are generally about as disciplined as their owners. This dog was dangerous in my opinion because all evidence in this situation points to the owner being a IRRESPONSIBLE FUCKING RETARD.
Rule number one in a dangerous situation: Protect yourself. That's what the cop did. It's sad, but there you go morons shouldn't own dogs.
If I was the cop I would have done the exact same thing.
It's easy to second guess someone who acted in an adrenalinised situation when you are safe at home on your computer. The cop ended up safe, the human moron dog owner ended up safe, innocent bystanders ended up safe.
Shame about the dog.
The idiot got himself arrested after completely failing to restrain his animal correctly.
Said idiot knew he was getting arrested, complied with the cuffing, after just letting the dog in the back of the car with the window open.
At that stage he didn't know how long he would have been away from his DANGEROUS ANIMAL. Dogs are generally about as disciplined as their owners. This dog was dangerous in my opinion because all evidence in this situation points to the owner being a IRRESPONSIBLE FUCKING RETARD.
Rule number one in a dangerous situation: Protect yourself. That's what the cop did. It's sad, but there you go morons shouldn't own dogs.
If I was the cop I would have done the exact same thing.
It's easy to second guess someone who acted in an adrenalinised situation when you are safe at home on your computer. The cop ended up safe, the human moron dog owner ended up safe, innocent bystanders ended up safe.
Shame about the dog.
I wonder how dogs are dealt with by police in the uk? You know, the ones without guns.
This certainly isn't the first time that I've heard of US cops shooting at dogs, and they always seem to believe that it's the only way to handle the situation.
So, what do the police officers without guns do?
This certainly isn't the first time that I've heard of US cops shooting at dogs, and they always seem to believe that it's the only way to handle the situation.
So, what do the police officers without guns do?
There's a problem with that sentence. You assume that people actually consider the police to be humans. From what I gather it is a popular belief that police officers are subhuman State-licensed murderous monsters.White Lightning said:
Its absolutely vile. Not only was shooting that dog completely wrong but there was no reason to arrest that man either. Sure he was being rude and obnoxious and shouldnt have been there but they shouldve taken a more tactful approach with him
Tasers, truncheons, pepperspray, tranquillisers, falling back on armed police officers if needs be.PatrickXD said:
Generally they will still shoot a dog if a firearms team gets there before it's restrained and it's seen as a significant threat.
In the situation from the video, in the absence of an armed officer, I'd imagine they'd probably use what they had until it backed off or lock it in a garden or shed or something until it calmed down.
I mean come on, 4 people versus a dog is pretty good odds. About 90% of a dog's aggression is bluster. And it was quite clearly just trying to follow its owner. It's confused, stops to sniff something on the floor before the officer tries to grab the collar, which is when it kicks off.
They could have at least tried something else.
Off the top of my head, and in order of preference:
1. Step away from the owner for a few seconds. Don't even need to un-handcuff him, just step away. Let dog chill out a bit, get owner to lead it back to car.
2. Just follow through and immobilise it properly. Dogs aren't actually that bad once you've got control of the head. It had a collar, all you need is one person to pin it's head, another to grab the back legs. Chuck it in the back of any available car and shut the door.
3. Fire weapon once into conveniently placed grass verge. Most dogs don't like loud noise, will most likely run away or at least cower - enabling two of your colleagues to sit on it.
4. If you really do have to shoot it, do it properly and actually kill it quickly. Don't leave the poor thing spasming.
I agree the owner was being a jackass, and caused the situation that led to the dog being killed, but that dog really wasn't a threat.
In his response video, Leon admitted that his dog Max, was lunging at the Police officer. So that should settle this matter there. Even the owner believes that the dog was going to attack the officer.
Even with that though, their are still better ways this could have been done in my eyes. Leon could've closed the windows, the officers who had him cuffed could have given him the chance to stop Max, the third officer could've used pepper spray or a tazor, but ultimately everyone --even the owner-- believe the dog was going for the third officer, so with that it sounds like self defense.
Even with that though, their are still better ways this could have been done in my eyes. Leon could've closed the windows, the officers who had him cuffed could have given him the chance to stop Max, the third officer could've used pepper spray or a tazor, but ultimately everyone --even the owner-- believe the dog was going for the third officer, so with that it sounds like self defense.
As someone who has suffered at the hands of corrupt police, the idea that we cannot record them is incredibly troubling to me. It's often said that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," and this is obviously bad rhetoric from the perspective of ordinary citizens... but if you're representing The Law itself, then absolutely you shouldn't have anything to hide while you're in uniform. Every job I've ever worked has recorded me on the job, I would really like to understand why such a special rule is justified in the face of the people who are the most dangerous if corrupt.
The cop made the first move, when he could have as easily let the owner handle it. Unfortunately, provoking hostile action seems to be enough to justify lethal defense in this country, be it a dog or a human being.Glongpre said:
If you think an animal is "scary," then you don't make the first move.
I'm still confused as to the context of the arrest, but the dog saw people acting with hostility towards its owner and then towards itself. Also, as an ostensibly non-violent offender, it's not unreasonable to let him secure his animal first. This was just....dickish.
I understand that. And furthermore, in my experience you can be arrested for far, far less than even that, if they just decide they don't like you (hint: they never like you). However, none of that matters: the fact that he wasn't 'just' arrested for recording does nothing to alleviate my concern.Desert Punk said:
Dog dies because of dumbfuck owner. Dogs die like that, people get injured - sometimes killed - because of that all the time. No tears shed, though I agree the bullet should have gone to that yolonite.
Also, there is supposedly a longer video available that shows the shitsmear insult and disturb an ongoing... what was it.. hostage situation? or was the armed? burglar alone in that house.
Also, there is supposedly a longer video available that shows the shitsmear insult and disturb an ongoing... what was it.. hostage situation? or was the armed? burglar alone in that house.
Yes but I think instead of holding on to him and keeping him separate from the dog. They could have let him go and asked him to put the dog back in the car. The guy didn't look like he was resisting at all, and I don't think he was any real threat. The dog was potentially dangerous, but if they'd just let the owner deal with it or (heaven forbid) sort the dog out themselves. Then there was no need for the dog to get shot.Mimsofthedawg said:
In the UK that dog should be muzzled, its the law and a dog of that size can do a lot of damage really quickly. In the UK and probably USA as well people keep dogs as weapons and not as pets. The owner should keep it in check.
As for using non lethal methods. What? Pepper spray is good for humans, but that would just piss the dog off in a heart beat. I guess they could use a dart, but i guess there was no time to wait for an animal control person. An im sure the police have dealt with situations where dogs attack them and there was no way to know if that guy would set the dog on them. I would still say its the owners fault, just leave the area with your dog. Sometimes its better to make the judgement call.
But i agree, it sucks for the dog for having a dumb arse owner.
As for using non lethal methods. What? Pepper spray is good for humans, but that would just piss the dog off in a heart beat. I guess they could use a dart, but i guess there was no time to wait for an animal control person. An im sure the police have dealt with situations where dogs attack them and there was no way to know if that guy would set the dog on them. I would still say its the owners fault, just leave the area with your dog. Sometimes its better to make the judgement call.
But i agree, it sucks for the dog for having a dumb arse owner.