Thoughts on Hawthorne, Ca Police Kill Dog

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

I don't really care who is to blame. I see it as, if there are police officers doing something and you're not involved in any way, just GTFO. They don't want to deal with you and you don't want to be dealt with either. It will make both parties happier and keep stupid stuff like this from happening.

Regardless of who is to blame, stop pestering in business that isn't yours and the world will carry on just a little bit smoother.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

I've heard at least 3 dozen stories in the past year & a half of police shooting dogs & kittens without provocation, or simply because the barking annoyed them.

Site hasn't updated since February, so it's missing most of the shit from this year. http://dogmurders.wordpress.com/

I just read through that entire blog, and watched every video in it. In addition to having a shotgun in my face after having my house broken into, and spending 3 days in jail waiting for them to realize that my house wasn't the one they were looking for, in a situation where my father's shoulders were broken from being slammed against the side of the house because he was begging for them not to arrest me, I am not in a good fucking mood right now.

It's not your fault, I didn't have to read the whole damn blog, but at least I can live and drive more cautiously knowing that a major chunk of the police force in the US are trigger-happy animals with small dicks trying to enact revenge because they were picked on in high school or whatever. If you're a cop reading this (or the NSA, get a life and jack it to something else you voyeur), I apologize if you suffer the same image problem as lawyers - 99% just make the rest of them look bad.

You should show some respect to the people that protect you. And my father was a cop so take that insult back.

I show respect to people who respect me, and I've only ever needed protection from them through all phases of my life. I included a caveat already that there's good ones who suffer an image problem, which would obviously include your father if he doesn't harass and intimidate people for fun. How about you imagine needing to feed and provide drinks through a straw to your father for over a month because of double casts due to an unwarranted attack by...let's say a baker, and imagine what you'd have to say about bakers or entering a pastry shop under those and other conditions. Except thankfully, nobody has to worry about bakers driving around town and potentially kicking your doors down with guns at the ready.

I don?t see how one bad experience somehow condemns everyone that wears the uniform. They made a mistake it happens.

I wish it were just one isolated incident, or else I wouldn't be so petty. Needless to say that saying anymore about it would be divulging far too much about my personal life and the possibility of screwing up current and ongoing litigation.

That said, I do formally (and not half-heartedly) apologize if I offended you in any way, and I admit that I was in a state of mind not contained enough to be going about posting things on the internet a few quotes back. I'm sure your father is a great guy and I should learn to follow the inverse of my rule, that I should give respect if I'm to have any expectation of receiving it. So yeah, no ill will there, and sorry.

 

[Something Amyss]

You should show some respect to the people that protect you.

DoE's point makes the statement about "protecting" people a joke.

And my father was a cop so take that insult back.

I'm not sure you're reading this right. Are you admitting your father is a power-mad thug? Because the only way you or he should feel insulted is if he is.

It seems like these are just rote responses without any actual thought with regards to the specific statements.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

I apologize if this thread has been done. I did several searches and didn't find any so here we go.

Warning this is a bit graphic as it shows a dog being shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

I believe the owner was getting arrested for being inside a perimeter set up by police to protect people near a crime scene. This is illegal.

There is two opposing views here. Most react with outrage because the dog got shot and killed by a police officer and that there were other options that wouldn't of resulted in the dog's death. The other view is that it was the owner's fault for not restraining the dog properly and disrupting the police at a crime scene.

The youtube debate in the comments gets sort of vile with name calling and such due to no mods I guess. I think this might be a better place to talk about it. What is your stance on this situation and why?

He was not inside the perimeter, he was arrested for filming them(which is perfectly legal).

With that out of the way, this was an abomination. If you watch the video, the dog was clearly not attacking but being friendly. It sniffed around the ground, and was just standing there. Then, after being approached by the officer, it jumped, not at the officer like they claim, but straight up in the air like most excited dogs will do, and they shot it. Did you also know that the man in question is currently suing that police department on the grounds of police brutality? They punished him by killing his dog, plain and simple. Anyone who has spent much time with dogs can see that the animal was being friendly, not violent, and they shot it anyway.

It is my firm belief that all 3 officers involved should be fired for failing to keep their cool in a stressful situation, it's not safe to have police who fire their guns at non-threats just because they're in a stressful situation. Further, the officer that actually fired his weapon should be liable in the same way that a civilian would be, both in criminal and civil courts.

According to the news story I heard, he was playing music very loudly during a armed robbery call. They were trying to hear what was going to happen in the call. They arrested him for "obstructing a investigation" because he refused to turn down the music. Not quite as bad. Still I think the dogs death was unjustified. They have tasers. They can use non-lethal force when threatened. they didn't and the dog paid for it.

 

[Something Amyss]

That?s what I take issue with. the only part I missed was that he said the police in the US but still don't like it when all cops get disrespected.

All cops didn't get disrespected. That's...That's kind of the problem, bro.

 

[Something Amyss]

He was not inside the perimeter, he was arrested for filming them(which is perfectly legal).

I live two minutes from Massachusetts, so this one raised an eyebrow and I decided to look it up. There are 12 states where filming the police is illegal, and California is one of them (MA is another, hence the curiosity).

It's not "perfectly legal."

Now, you can argue that it's not right, and I agree. A categorical law against recording police diminishes a civilian's opportunity for defense and needlessly so. However, the law is the law, and we cannot pretend it's not. We can complain, fight, protest, or even disobey it, but it's still the law and we suffer the consequences when we disobey.

Everything from littering to civil disobedience carries a cost.

EDIT: That's a technically glib description of the law, but there is a legal issue here, and it's not hard to infer a charge in the state of California.

 

[Dangit2019]

I don't really put any more respect for cops than I do any other people doing there job, so I don't have any sort of negative feeling towards the police in general. I actually have a good friend who worked as a narcotics officer for years. Good man.

That being said, cops can be fucking assholes as much as anyone else, and that's my judgement for the individual shown here.

There were so many better ways to incapacitate the aggressive dog using non-lethal means, but this dipshit decided that today was a good day to re-enact scenes from Training Day instead of do his job well, and what we got was a needlessly dead animal.

Is the owner at fault for being a general dipshit playing his music and not restraining his massive dog? Hell yes, but a police officer's job is to deal with situations like this quietly and without body bags. The gun should be the last thing on your belt that you reach for.

 

[Dangit2019]

And my father was a cop so take that insult back.

I laughed so hard at that. What are you going to do if he doesn't? Punch him through the Internet?

 

[Dangit2019]

Shut up just shut up.

Um...no? Yeah, how about no.

What the hell do you know about that was going through their minds during that situation, the dog was acting aggressive and police made a call that?s it.

Yeah, he made a shitty call, killed a dog that could've easily been incapacitated non-lethally, and that's it. You're argument doesn't really float.

 

[Dangit2019]

How could they of done that? They don?t have any tranquilizers unless you think they should of tasered it.

Now, I don't personally know what the Hawthorne police officers are outfitted with, but judging from the footage, the whole conflict looks like it could've been solved with a baton/blunt weapon, situation training, and common sense.

Can you really not think of a single possible method to deal with an aggressive dog other than shooting it 3-5 times in it's vitals? If so, I'm glad you didn't take up your father's profession.

 

[Dangit2019]

Careful, the mods might go after you for calling someone out on insulting user groups of the escapist.

They will write you up for 'sass' like they did to me.

You do realize that no one's forcing you to stay here right?

If you don't like how the site is moderated, leave. It's not even that hard. All you have to do is close a single tab and find a different site to ***** on.

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

I don't think the police were heavy handed in their response to the dog, they were clearly attacked and they responed with reasonable force.

As for the situation that escalated to that, it's a lot muddier. The guy was clearly being a douche but having a thick skin comes with the job in any sort of enforcement role. If you can't take a bit of heckling, turn in your badge immediately because you're just not fit to be a cop.

 

[Lono Shrugged]

I don't think the dog knew it was in a dog shooting video. Everyone assumes the dog was 'protecting' it's owner and that the dog was being aggressive. It looks to me like the cop was the aggressive one. But on the other hand, many people train big dogs like that to attack people and it is impossible to tell at a glance. I don't think the dog was being aggressive but I don't really blame the cop for shooting when he did (I probably would have that was a big dog, but then again I would not try and intimidate a big dog with my gun. Because I am not an IDIOT) That said, the situation that unfolded should not have been allowed happen. 3 Police officers could not subdue a man and his dog without shooting one of them. I think that all the police in that video handled the situation like total dopes without any kind of independent thought. The police are experts at creating situations where they are only left with one option. So good job guys, you got one...

Also: DOGS DO NOT KNOW WHAT HANDCUFFS ARE. They go by body language and voice. If you are aggressive they are aggressive.