Thoughts on Hawthorne, Ca Police Kill Dog

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Dog dies because of dumbfuck owner. Dogs die like that, people get injured - sometimes killed - because of that all the time. No tears shed, though I agree the bullet should have gone to that yolonite.

Also, there is supposedly a longer video available that shows the shitsmear insult and disturb an ongoing... what was it.. hostage situation? or was the armed? burglar alone in that house.

There are various cuts around, maybe check LL? I am still neither willing nor able to watch the video as I would EXPLODE WITH RAGE, and I just can't do that.

Police were on site in the process of surrounding a house with a suspected hostage situation and an armed gunman inside the house. Police were trying to listen for any clues as to what was going on when Mr. Shitsmear Dumbfuck drove by, music blaring from his car. He stopped the car, officers asked him to turn off the music as it obviously messed with their ability to hear things in an unresolved situation. Mr. SD turned the music down 'a little', then proceeded to go walkies with his Rott on the leash in one hand and a camera/phone in the other hand.

He had no reason to stop there.

He had no reason to play loud music.

He had no reason harassing officers on the job.

He had no reason to take Max the now dead Rott out of the car.

He was given enough time to put Max away into the car, which he did prior to being arrested, but he left the windows wide open - wide enough for Max, a two-year-old Rottweiler, to jump out through.

Max got killed because his owner is a trolloping douche. The cops were just trying to do their job.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

In the UK that dog should be muzzled, its the law and a dog of that size can do a lot of damage really quickly. In the UK and probably USA as well people keep dogs as weapons and not as pets. The owner should keep it in check.

As for using non lethal methods. What? Pepper spray is good for humans, but that would just piss the dog off in a heart beat. I guess they could use a dart, but i guess there was no time to wait for an animal control person. An im sure the police have dealt with situations where dogs attack them and there was no way to know if that guy would set the dog on them. I would still say its the owners fault, just leave the area with your dog. Sometimes its better to make the judgement call.

But i agree, it sucks for the dog for having a dumb arse owner.

Yeah I find it hilarious that people are talking about pepper spray, haha.

A taser is a different matter, but there's other issues with that weapon.

I know. Even a taser i wouldnt be confident if that would stop it or annoy it. In the UK there were people attacked by a pit bull, a guy stuck one of those two pronged meat fork things into its neck multiple times and it didnt even slow it down. It only let go when blood loss killed it. Even with a rottweiler, you get one of those pissed off with you then your in major trouble. An with the police, they have to worry about the people in the surrounding area as well as themselves.

 

[Setrus]

Yeah...I think the police is excused here, the dog was lunging at him and the guy shot it, I really don't see what else he could do in that situation that wouldn't put his life in danger.

Really moronic owner though.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

In the UK that dog should be muzzled, its the law and a dog of that size can do a lot of damage really quickly. In the UK and probably USA as well people keep dogs as weapons and not as pets. The owner should keep it in check.

As for using non lethal methods. What? Pepper spray is good for humans, but that would just piss the dog off in a heart beat. I guess they could use a dart, but i guess there was no time to wait for an animal control person. An im sure the police have dealt with situations where dogs attack them and there was no way to know if that guy would set the dog on them. I would still say its the owners fault, just leave the area with your dog. Sometimes its better to make the judgement call.

But i agree, it sucks for the dog for having a dumb arse owner.

We took our Rott places - even when it involved paperwork, bakshish or other minor inconveniences. We had our Rott attacked by a police dog once, but the two cops knew it was their fault. both dogs had minor punctures but our bill was paid by the cops, so no hard feelings. Shit happens. In France, Italy and Germany, however, I would not want to rely on a muzzle saving your dogs life. I would expect cops or criminals to shoot on sight if you were to release your molossoid-type dog.

You said it, and it's really what it is all about - the owner has to keep control on the dog at any and all times, be it through leash/muzzle for close quarters contact with police/strangers or through commands AND PROPER EDUCATION AND TRAINING. A dog that is told to stay put has to stay put. A dog that is told to come here, go there or sit down has to do just that, no matter whether it's a Chihuahua or a Rottweiler.

A strong-minded, wild, enraged, untrained or well trained dog will not care one bit about being hit with pepper spray - or bullets, for that matter.

In this particular situation, it absolutely has to be noted that the cops were smack in the middle of a stressful and tense situation already, without Mr. Cornholio pestering them and putting a beautiful young Rott in harm's way.

You are right, he should have left the area with the dog for the sake of the dog. Instead, he stopped his car to film police, he annoyed them with loud music from his car and he walked up and down with his dog on a leash, living the good life of trendy cop-spotting. When party was over and police had had enough, he was indeed allowed to put the dog inside the car, but he left the car windows open, so Max the dog decided to go help his owner and jumped out of the window.

Some people should just not be allowed to have pets.

 

[cikame]

I can't fault the cops for not noticing the window was open and the dog could escape, they're watching for people, maybe additional suspects possibly in the crowd, other nearby cars inside or the opposite side of the cordon, covering other officers, you can't control everything, people have dogs and they will escape every once in awhile.
I don't know what the cops were there for so maybe keeping people away wasn't the highest priority, till this guy stood closer than anyone recording them making them nervous, that being said they were close to the guy at the start of the video and could have told him to back off, however it is probably protocol to detain such people straight away to keep them out of the way, which is hard when they have a rottweiler.
I've been around dogs when they have to be moved or controlled by someone other than their owner and they freak the hell out, those cops had no chance of controlling it in that situation and so with regret i approve of the shooting.

 

[rednose1]

Yet another reason why cops disgust me. They don't even bother trying to find the best solution to any problem, merely the easiest one. This is the end result. Worst yet, they won't face any consequences, seeing as how all they gotta do is say they were threatened and it's case closed.

 

[the December King]

It's not often I hear about four armed cops all getting killed by a playful dog. Or even one adult man being killed by a dog in north America.

I feel that the owner is ultimately to blame.

But the cops went too far in their response.

 

[The Event]

Yeah I find it hilarious that people are talking about pepper spray, haha.

Why? Pepper spray is extremely effective when used on dogs.

 

[Jehovatron]

"Hawthorne police Lt. Scott Swain said the shooting was in the interests of everyone's safety.

'I know it's the dog's master, and more than likely not going to attack him, (but) we've got a guy handcuffed that's kind of defenseless. We have a duty to defend him, too,' he said."

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/california-cops-shoot-rottweiler-dead-in-front-of-owner-leon-rosby/story-fndir2ev-1226673433471

Not much more needs to be said with regard to the cops' (lack of) thought process.

 

[Random berk]

I freely admit that I would take the shot if I had a big, pissed off rottweiler lunging at me... but those cops were still seriously overreacting. I couldn't see any police tape in that video so I'm assuming that it was right at the feet of the guy with the camera. However, that means that the guy's car was already within their perimeter. Even aside from that, they dog's owner was well away from them, not advancing or ignoring commands to move back, and when they came for him he was perfectly cooperative. The very least they could have done was let him calm the dog before taking him to their car.

 

[The Event]

Pain = more dangerous dog

You better get that shit right in its fucking eyes, and both of them, otherwise you just made that 50kg dog very fucking angry and gave him a big target to bite/wrestle.

Bad idea IMO.

In the case of something like a Pit Bull already in mid attack you would have a point.
But that wasn't what was involved in this situation. Here we have a dog whose behaviour was defensive rather than aggressive, you'll notice that the dog only jumped up at the police officer when he reached out to grab it.
Pepper spray also doesn't just affect the eyes, it affects the mucus membranes in the nose. And a dog's nose is of course vastly more sensitive than a human's.

If pepper spray were so likely to make a situation worse it wouldn't be issued to or carried by so many animal control officers, postmen or joggers.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

I've heard at least 3 dozen stories in the past year & a half of police shooting dogs & kittens without provocation, or simply because the barking annoyed them.

Site hasn't updated since February, so it's missing most of the shit from this year. http://dogmurders.wordpress.com/

I just read through that entire blog, and watched every video in it. In addition to having a shotgun in my face after having my house broken into, and spending 3 days in jail waiting for them to realize that my house wasn't the one they were looking for, in a situation where my father's shoulders were broken from being slammed against the side of the house because he was begging for them not to arrest me, I am not in a good fucking mood right now.

It's not your fault, I didn't have to read the whole damn blog, but at least I can live and drive more cautiously knowing that a major chunk of the police force in the US are trigger-happy animals with small dicks trying to enact revenge because they were picked on in high school or whatever. If you're a cop reading this (or the NSA, get a life and jack it to something else you voyeur), I apologize if you suffer the same image problem as lawyers - 99% just make the rest of them look bad.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

I've heard at least 3 dozen stories in the past year & a half of police shooting dogs & kittens without provocation, or simply because the barking annoyed them.

Site hasn't updated since February, so it's missing most of the shit from this year. http://dogmurders.wordpress.com/

I just read through that entire blog, and watched every video in it. In addition to having a shotgun in my face after having my house broken into, and spending 3 days in jail waiting for them to realize that my house wasn't the one they were looking for, in a situation where my father's shoulders were broken from being slammed against the side of the house because he was begging for them not to arrest me, I am not in a good fucking mood right now.

It's not your fault, I didn't have to read the whole damn blog, but at least I can live and drive more cautiously knowing that a major chunk of the police force in the US are trigger-happy animals with small dicks trying to enact revenge because they were picked on in high school or whatever. If you're a cop reading this (or the NSA, get a life and jack it to something else you voyeur), I apologize if you suffer the same image problem as lawyers - 99% just make the rest of them look bad.

You should show some respect to the people that protect you. And my father was a cop so take that insult back.

I show respect to people who respect me, and I've only ever needed protection from them through all phases of my life. I included a caveat already that there's good ones who suffer an image problem, which would obviously include your father if he doesn't harass and intimidate people for fun. How about you imagine needing to feed and provide drinks through a straw to your father for over a month because of double casts due to an unwarranted attack by...let's say a baker, and imagine what you'd have to say about bakers or entering a pastry shop under those and other conditions. Except thankfully, nobody has to worry about bakers driving around town and potentially kicking your doors down with guns at the ready.

 

[Nurb]

You notice they weren't bothering the other people filming them from around the scene, including the person that caught the video in question. They also didn't go after the people who filmed the dog getting shot.

The guy was shouting at the cops and trying to provoke them, you can hear him in the video and the comment from the people capturing it.