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fenrizz

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reg42 said:
fenrizz said:
reg42 said:
fenrizz said:
Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
Please would you be so kind and enlighten me to these long term effects?
Your memory turns to shit and you become really paranoid, it also makes you stupid.
And we are talking about people that smoke all day everyday here, yes?
Then yes, your short term memory tend to suffer a lot.
Paranoia is also a known side effect, I won't contest that.

I do disagree that it makes you stupid though.

Anyway, the people that smoke that much are a minority. Just like alcoholics are a minority of the people that enjoy alcoholic beverages responsibly.
Maybe stupid isn't the right word, but it makes you really slow. I've seen this first-hand.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the drug psychosis.
It makes you slow, yes.
This effect tend to go away over time if you quit smoking marijuana.

I find the term drug psychosis to be a bit too general, would you mind being a bit more specific?

Aisaka said:
fenrizz said:
reg42 said:
fenrizz said:
Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
Please would you be so kind and enlighten me to these long term effects?
Your memory turns to shit and you become really paranoid, it also makes you stupid.
And we are talking about people that smoke all day everyday here, yes?
Then yes, your short term memory tend to suffer a lot.
Paranoia is also a known side effect, I won't contest that.

I do disagree that it makes you stupid though.

Anyway, the people that smoke that much are a minority. Just like alcoholics are a minority of the people that enjoy alcoholic beverages responsibly.
Just letting people use marijuana is setting a bad influence.

Marijuana should NOT be legal. it wrecks lives.
That is why it should be regulated.
18 year (or whatever the local age limit on alcohol is) age limit on purchase, and designated shop's that must apply for a government permit to be able to sell.

The Netherlands, where you can buy cannabis legally (with 18 year age limit, regulated shops and limit on quantity purchased), actually has less cannabis users that the USA, per capita.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country

EDIT: added a link.
 

reg42

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fenrizz said:
It makes you slow, yes.
This effect tend to go away over time if you quit smoking marijuana.

I find the term drug psychosis to be a bit too general, would you mind being a bit more specific?
It can make you basically bi-polar. Again, I've seen this first hand, and I don't think this goes away.
 

fenrizz

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reg42 said:
fenrizz said:
It makes you slow, yes.
This effect tend to go away over time if you quit smoking marijuana.

I find the term drug psychosis to be a bit too general, would you mind being a bit more specific?
It can make you basically bi-polar. Again, I've seen this first hand, and I don't think this goes away.
To counter that I know that in some cases cannabis have been used to treat bi polar disorder, though no proper research has been done on the subject.
http://biopsychiatry.com/canbi.htm
http://www.pendulum.org/bpnews/archive/001628.html

And the belief that cannabis causes bipoplar disorder remains controversial.
http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/articles/news/marijuana_bpd_0707.php

While some reports indicate that cannabis can lessen the severity of mania and depression symptoms, others indicate cannabis can trigger mania and has been noted to have "a detrimental and potentially causative role in the development of psychosis."[19] However, a recent study noted neurocognitive functioning improved in bipolar patients who used cannabis.[20] The study added that further research was needed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_bipolar_disorder
 

reg42

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fenrizz said:
reg42 said:
fenrizz said:
It makes you slow, yes.
This effect tend to go away over time if you quit smoking marijuana.

I find the term drug psychosis to be a bit too general, would you mind being a bit more specific?
It can make you basically bi-polar. Again, I've seen this first hand, and I don't think this goes away.
To counter that I know that in some cases cannabis have been used to treat bi polar disorder, though no proper research has been done on the subject.
http://biopsychiatry.com/canbi.htm
http://www.pendulum.org/bpnews/archive/001628.html

And the belief that cannabis causes bipoplar disorder remains controversial.
http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/articles/news/marijuana_bpd_0707.php

While some reports indicate that cannabis can lessen the severity of mania and depression symptoms, others indicate cannabis can trigger mania and has been noted to have "a detrimental and potentially causative role in the development of psychosis."[19] However, a recent study noted neurocognitive functioning improved in bipolar patients who used cannabis.[20] The study added that further research was needed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_bipolar_disorder
Dude, I'm not saying that it causes bi-polar disorder, I'm saying it causes drug psychosis. I've seen drug psychosis in action, it's pretty fucking scary.
 

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fenrizz said:
PayJ567 said:
I would say legalise it, But a friend of mine has just become a massive stoner in the space of a few weeks...

Yes allow it to be used for medical purposes, but if it's going to be fully legalised it should be majorly restricted.
That is in fact the best argument for legalization, regulation.
18 year age limit, limit's on quantity one can buy in a single purchase.

Besides, he becoming a stoner in a few weeks has more to do with him that the cannabis.
Blame people who use things wrong way ....dont blame nonthinking things
and adding that certain quantity per purchase per half year without doctors order
 

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If you want to fuck yourself up, no-one else has any right to stop you. In my view, prohibition laws are inherently immoral and any discussion on the effects of drugs etc is irrelevant. (Effects of a substance that can affect others, such as violent behavior, are already handled by other laws).

I think a good way of telling whether a law is truly moral is too look at two conditions:
a) is there a clearly definable victim and
b) is that person NOT the criminal under the law.

Prohibition laws fail on both counts.

(of course, they also do not work for the purpose of reducing drug use, but that too is irrelevant.)

P.S: This post is rather strongly worded, but I am actually interested in what arguments you can make against this :)
 

CrikeyO

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PayJ567 said:
I would say legalise it, But a friend of mine has just become a massive stoner in the space of a few weeks...

Yes allow it to be used for medical purposes, but if it's going to be fully legalised it should be majorly restricted.
I had a friend who used to be seriously anti-drug and then became a stoner after a trip to Amsterdam.
I agree with your basic point, but if you start putting restrictions on it people are just going to flock back to the underground dealers.
 

Soviet Steve

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The only concern that science has on the matter is "Does it work?". I've heard of cases where it did and I recall Penn & Teller demonstrating in an episode that people in the federal government still get medical marijuana from the US government, so I think that it should at the very least get some tests done so effects and side-effects can be clearly established for all to see, and on the scientific rather than moral basis, a sound decision could be made.

We could also go with the more moral way and label anyone who uses pot as a disobediant child, and the bible is quite clear in how you should approach those:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/children.html
 

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Personally I agree with what most people are saying. It really should be made legal, both for medical uses and recreational but just like alcohol it should be regulated. Also, to all the people giving negative points on it are giving good points, but people seem to forget the good parts of these things and focus on the negative parts. Like any other drug, if it wrecks your life, then you are the one to blame, not the drug.
 

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Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
I kinda second this. My brother has become a complete asshat because of the amount he smokes.

On the other hand, medical marijuana has been proven to release people from pain. I think in these circumstances the experience of the patient should count for a lot more than it does.
 

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Doitpow said:
Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
I kinda second this. My brother has become a complete asshat because of the amount he smokes.

On the other hand, medical marijuana has been proven to release people from pain. I think in these circumstances the experience of the patient should count for a lot more than it does.
In a way i agree, but on the other hand almost all painkillers contain Codeine, and Codeine is a derivative of Heroin, and can have much in the same effects...
It depends on the circumstances
 

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xI Kinshasa Ix said:
Doitpow said:
Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
I kinda second this. My brother has become a complete asshat because of the amount he smokes.

On the other hand, medical marijuana has been proven to release people from pain. I think in these circumstances the experience of the patient should count for a lot more than it does.
In a way i agree, but on the other hand almost all painkillers contain Codeine, and Codeine is a derivative of Heroin, and can have much in the same effects...
It depends on the circumstances
no its morphine based not H
 

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Legalizing would also ensure that there would finally be a quality control of the substance (and also ensure that the pot wouldn't be 'cut' with some other crap)
 

Doitpow

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xI Kinshasa Ix said:
Doitpow said:
Aisaka said:
I have seen the effects of long term marijuana use.

I refuse to support anything that involves people using it.
I kinda second this. My brother has become a complete asshat because of the amount he smokes.

On the other hand, medical marijuana has been proven to release people from pain. I think in these circumstances the experience of the patient should count for a lot more than it does.
In a way i agree, but on the other hand almost all painkillers contain Codeine, and Codeine is a derivative of Heroin, and can have much in YAY I'm an asshole the same effects...
It depends on the circumstances
don't disagree

Gonna break it down here
There are two concerns.

1. Do these drugs have suitable medicinal purpose (i.e. do they do what they are supposed to do? Do they kill pain or are they retropsychoactive).
2. Will the damage they do (and all painkillers damage the body in some way) have more long term repercussions than the thing they treat? (Long term cerebral damage could be considered an suitable trade-off for extreme pain in the case of an elderly patient with arthritis, but not for a child with growth pain)

The concern is not and shouldn't be their relation to other illegal substances. Morphine's active ingredient is diacetylmorphine, the same as heroin, but morphine is still considered the most effective painkiller for post operation patients. The associations make scare people but for the most part it's media fear mongering on slow news days.
 

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In my opinion, this "medical value of marihuana" crap is just an excuse to be able to get high legally.

However, I do think that it works fine as an antidepressant or a stress reliever.