Thoughts on the Assassin's Creed franchise
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Even if Desmond is kind of boring, i still would like to see him as the star of revelations. Because that has seemed to be the main focus of the games, to turn Desmond into the ultimate assassin by having him live through the lives of this ancestors. what happened to that? did that ship die off when they brought in Ezio? My patience with Ezio is running thin after how disappointing Brotherhood and its DLC are. ( DaVinci's Dissapearance, not the multiplayer which is fun as shit). I would also like to play as Altair some more, and bridge the gap between AC1 and 2 some more.
"I fucking loved Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad. I think he was fucking amazing, and it's a shame he wasn't given the same extensive weapons and abilites as Ezio was. I get that Ubisoft learnt as they went, and they had to somewhat obey the technology levels of the time periods in terms of weapons, but I find it hard to swallow that someone who was trained from birth to be an elite member of the Assassin brotherhood would be less capable in combat and slower with his free-running than some Italian womaniser who happens to be able to do parkour."
I'm pretty sure its implied that Ezio's father had trained him, albeit without his knowledge, and that a lot of their abilities are natural talents derived from their very specific bloodline.
And Altair was meh. I find it hard to believe anyone can get that much enjoyment out of someone with the simplest of character arcs and arse hole-ishness of attitudes. His codex was more interesting than he was in AC1, although after reading it I am now interested in him.
I'm pretty sure its implied that Ezio's father had trained him, albeit without his knowledge, and that a lot of their abilities are natural talents derived from their very specific bloodline.
And Altair was meh. I find it hard to believe anyone can get that much enjoyment out of someone with the simplest of character arcs and arse hole-ishness of attitudes. His codex was more interesting than he was in AC1, although after reading it I am now interested in him.
My thoughts on an Ikea wardrobe? Not as good as a donkey. Tune in next Thursday for more totally irrelevant comparisons!Wayneguard said:
Oh, then I must have forgotten that. In which case, forget the 'can randomly do parkour' comment. But I still find it kinda dumb that someone trained by one Assassin without realising it is better at this stuff than someone explicitly trained by many of them.Woodsey said:
*shrugs* Maybe something about that arse hole-ishness just appealed to me, I dunno. All I know is that I much prefer Altair over Ezio. Always have. Even if the the 1st game had to make Altair look like a fucking moron just to set the difficulty curve.Woodsey said:
I mean, a Master Assassin blatantly ignoring protocol? Come on man, that's just embarrassing.
Ubisoft have written themselves into a corner with AC:B and AC:R. The main reason they are doing this is that they are afraid of making a real AC3, because it will have to be the most awesome thing in the whole world, as these games have not really been stand alone, but a feeling of culmination, like a mysterious TV series. They're just stalling really. Maybe they're waiting for the next generation. I saw through this and haven't bought a single one since AC2. I might download the other two, because I see them merely as expansion packs, you know, how games used to be?
First of all. The reason why Ezio is as good as Altiar is that, he has literally god genes. That makes more up for his skills than that of training.
The reason Ubisoft decided to continue with Ezio was to basically expand the story of their franchise. Lets say they begin to make a AC3, a full 1, it may take say 3 years. They will have a change of scenery and will have to make new scenes from scratch. This is fairly hard, and if a console comes out around the time they release the game they will have to remake the entire game. Anyway their cutting Ezio now. He looks badass.
Number Three. Desmond from the first few games were no more than a channel to explain the whole game. He was meant to be a sort of controllable NPC, in my terms that is. I think he'll really get a big boost when they base a whole game on him and not his Animus ancestors.
I didn't really find Altair that enjoyable to play, and that is mostly because of the game not the character. Maybe Ubisoft can release a Brotherhood sort of game for Altair, just can the price. It would solve Altair quite a bit and if you read the codex, you'll find out a lot about Altair.
Also about the Aliens thing. They aren't really Aliens, more of the people who were there before us, the ending relates back to those guys, won't spoil it for you. I think Ubisoft is doing fine with the series, though I really hope when they make the REAL ACIII, it will take about 1 - 3 years, with a full amazing game.
The reason Ubisoft decided to continue with Ezio was to basically expand the story of their franchise. Lets say they begin to make a AC3, a full 1, it may take say 3 years. They will have a change of scenery and will have to make new scenes from scratch. This is fairly hard, and if a console comes out around the time they release the game they will have to remake the entire game. Anyway their cutting Ezio now. He looks badass.
Number Three. Desmond from the first few games were no more than a channel to explain the whole game. He was meant to be a sort of controllable NPC, in my terms that is. I think he'll really get a big boost when they base a whole game on him and not his Animus ancestors.
I didn't really find Altair that enjoyable to play, and that is mostly because of the game not the character. Maybe Ubisoft can release a Brotherhood sort of game for Altair, just can the price. It would solve Altair quite a bit and if you read the codex, you'll find out a lot about Altair.
Also about the Aliens thing. They aren't really Aliens, more of the people who were there before us, the ending relates back to those guys, won't spoil it for you. I think Ubisoft is doing fine with the series, though I really hope when they make the REAL ACIII, it will take about 1 - 3 years, with a full amazing game.
My main problem with the series is that it could've been so much more. This only really got cemented to me recently, around January when I played through Brotherhood.
My main issue with Brotherhood was not the gameplay, but that there wasn't really any character development. The sum of Ezio's character development is one line that is totally insignificant really on: "Ugh.. I am old."
Yeah, that's it, his back hurts a bit more.. That's not enough to sustain a 20 hour+ game to me. AC2 was just.. Something truly special. You could tell that a lot of love went into making AC2 a lot better than the first, I didn't get that feeling of Brotherhood, just "here's more of the same for the same price as before!"
Now that Revelations is on its way, which again, is Ezio, AND with Altair in to boot, rather than a new protagonist in a new time period or anything like that (which is of course their original plan,) I get the feeling it might just stink of franchise-milking to an ever bigger extent than Brotherhood did.
However, I fucking love Assassin's Creed and will play Revelations and most likely enjoy every minute I spend with it, just as I did with Brotherhood.
But still, if they just spent an extra year between each one, each one would feel truly special and developed from the previous one, they'd be feasts rather than just hearty and satisfying meals, which saddens me.
My main issue with Brotherhood was not the gameplay, but that there wasn't really any character development. The sum of Ezio's character development is one line that is totally insignificant really on: "Ugh.. I am old."
Yeah, that's it, his back hurts a bit more.. That's not enough to sustain a 20 hour+ game to me. AC2 was just.. Something truly special. You could tell that a lot of love went into making AC2 a lot better than the first, I didn't get that feeling of Brotherhood, just "here's more of the same for the same price as before!"
Now that Revelations is on its way, which again, is Ezio, AND with Altair in to boot, rather than a new protagonist in a new time period or anything like that (which is of course their original plan,) I get the feeling it might just stink of franchise-milking to an ever bigger extent than Brotherhood did.
However, I fucking love Assassin's Creed and will play Revelations and most likely enjoy every minute I spend with it, just as I did with Brotherhood.
But still, if they just spent an extra year between each one, each one would feel truly special and developed from the previous one, they'd be feasts rather than just hearty and satisfying meals, which saddens me.
Am I the only one on this planet that understands why Desmond is boring? think about it, all the other characters are way more interesting than Desmond, right? (who hasn't left the animus on purpose to check the emails in AC:B?) But why do you think that is?ReservoirAngel said:
In the first game Desmond was a blank character in order to reinforce the world around him, to reinforce immersion if you will, because you know nothing about him, you are capable of projecting on to him, you sympathize with him on a greater level because he is you, in a sense.
That doesn't mean he's boring however, if you look at AC2 and AC:B you see that Ubisoft is actually developing his character, developing him because we know longer need to use Desmond as an immersive device and he can actually be a protagonist now, people see Desmond as boring because we have this army of well developed characters standing next to him.
Have you ever read a book, and gotten really really in to one chapter, but before conclusion the book moves onto the next chapter and switches character? You sit there thinking "ugh! WTF I don't want to hear about this guy, I want to know what happens to that guy!" but by the end of that chapter you don't want to switch back now that the other character is more interesting. The same thing is happening here.
Desmond is not boring at all, believe it or not. He's just boring by comparison, so stop complaining now that Ubisoft wants to develop his character, by the end of this story arc chances are you will be more interested in Desmond than in Ezio or Altair.
I quite like how the series handles a lot of these things that you don't like.
Desmond's lack of a personality to me seems like a way of showing that prior to his capture, his life had been really bland and through the series he had been developing a larger personality, particularly in Brotherhood. Altair also struck me as kind of bland as a character but then I realised that he had been raised from birth to be a death machine so wouldn't have had much social experience.
Addressing the point that you don't think it makes sense for Ezio to be as good at free-running as Altair, I got the vibe that his father and older brother were subtly training him in it all his life (I mainly get this idea from Petruccio challenging him to that race and Giovanni
giving him the jobs just before he's captured that involved going on the rooftops). Also, I like that we get a deep insight into Ezio's life and it makes sense in story as Desmond needs to be trained from one perspective through the bleeding effect so his skills are matched and not like half and half between techinqiues and Ezio seems to be possibly the greatest assassin that there's been.
Desmond's lack of a personality to me seems like a way of showing that prior to his capture, his life had been really bland and through the series he had been developing a larger personality, particularly in Brotherhood. Altair also struck me as kind of bland as a character but then I realised that he had been raised from birth to be a death machine so wouldn't have had much social experience.
Addressing the point that you don't think it makes sense for Ezio to be as good at free-running as Altair, I got the vibe that his father and older brother were subtly training him in it all his life (I mainly get this idea from Petruccio challenging him to that race and Giovanni
giving him the jobs just before he's captured that involved going on the rooftops). Also, I like that we get a deep insight into Ezio's life and it makes sense in story as Desmond needs to be trained from one perspective through the bleeding effect so his skills are matched and not like half and half between techinqiues and Ezio seems to be possibly the greatest assassin that there's been.
I see why people have complaints about it but it's still one of my favorite games ever (the series), and I am saving up for revelations. I have 30 dollars on revelations so far and i am very very excited to play it. I do agree that the future parts are somewhat annoying and pointless; whenever desmond got out of the animus I was always like "Not this again! Come on I want to get back to the stealth action! This is boring!" but it does make the series interesting.
I'll add this to what I said: despite my reservations about the game, the Revelations trailer looks seriously cool!
I love Assassin's Creed series. And I like how they really improve their games every time.
I don't mind Desmond. I like mysteries and I want to see what will happen with Desmond in the end. But if it turns out that someone else is relieving Desmond's memories I'll be pissed. It's OK to have one MacGuffin in the game, it's natural (The Apple), but to make the whole story into a MacGuffin for something else we still know nothing about would be retarded. I hope they won't go down that road in AC3.
I don't mind Desmond. I like mysteries and I want to see what will happen with Desmond in the end. But if it turns out that someone else is relieving Desmond's memories I'll be pissed. It's OK to have one MacGuffin in the game, it's natural (The Apple), but to make the whole story into a MacGuffin for something else we still know nothing about would be retarded. I hope they won't go down that road in AC3.
I don't mind being with Ezio for 3 games, but I agree with everything else. Of course, the sign of a true fan is being able to recognize the flaws in any subject matter, regardless of how close to your heart it may be.
Love the franchise, but it's definitely flawed and in more ways than this in my opinion.
Love the franchise, but it's definitely flawed and in more ways than this in my opinion.
You spend time with Ezio because he still has story to tell. I'm happy they did this, since Altair had ZERO personality. And at the end of Brotherhood Desmond started to become more human like. As I see it this is one of the few franchises that truly gets better with the next game.
I was going to say something relevant to this topic, but that comic is just too funny. Why did he have to wait until they were both outside of the ship? It makes no sense and yet it makes all the sense in the world.WaysideMaze said:
I honestly like Enzio more than Altair. I am going to HATE seeing him go. Either way, I absolutely love the series, and I think it keeps getting better!