I stand Corrected, all I can think about when people mention Joan of Arc is the scene from the SimpsonsArontala said:I was just about to edit that in, but I took to long trying too figure out how to snip the damn thing >.>
Oh, and she didn't think that god talked to her personally, but she believed various saints did.
Didn't she win, like, one battle? And then she progressively lost power until they burned her for... something or other?Arontala said:I was just about to edit that in, but I took to long trying too figure out how to snip the damn thing >.>artanis_neravar said:She also believed that god talked to her personally, and the king of France pushed her further and further away until the English captured her and burned her at the stakeArontala said:Zaik said:Not really looking at any specific time, though when the best source for information I have available is Wikipedia it makes it pretty pointless to try to look up stuff on someone that was dead hundreds of years before I was born.Arontala said:What about Joan of Arc? Or are you trying to pick women from a certain time frame?Zaik said:That doesn't really help at all though. If I could think of one, I would have posted that one.lonely tylenol said:Alright, I'll make it easier for you. Just one.Zaik said:I'm trying.
Like, really trying. I can't think of one.
Maybe someone can shake something in my head loose, but as it is now I honestly can't think of any at all.
I've never actually witnessed, or even really heard of, any women doing anything particularly impressive or interesting.
-Women comedians aren't funny because you just end up with 80% sex jokes and 20% jokes that only women would get or care about.
-Women like Oprah only really appeal to women. Obviously there are going to be men who are into it, but they're the exception, not the rule.
-As far as making any sort of scientific progress, they're entirely absent as far as I know. I think there was *one* who had made an actual relevant discovery, but the credit was given to her, her husband, and her best friend, which tends to leave an eyebrow raised.
-Just to knock stereotypes out of the running, women are few and far between as far as professional meal preparation goes.
-lol politics. Not that there's really anything to admire there from the men either though.
What does that leave as far as my interests could *possibly* be stretched, exactly? Nothing.
Women being attractive isn't really a reason to admire them either. Yeah, it takes as much work as it does genetics, but it's not impressive.
So, I'm drawing a blank :/
I tried reading about her there, but in true Wikipedia fashion it's as uninteresting as possible.
Basically, she was in command of armies in a time where women were treated more like cattle than people, and crowned the king of France, which led to the unification of France, and ending the hundred years war against England.
At least, that's what I remember reading in the school history book 10 years ago, so that info may be a bit shaky.
Oh, and she didn't think that god talked to her personally, but she believed various saints did.
To follow cbert's example I will post some more to make up for your sexist ignoranceDr Snakeman said:That's really all I got. Sorry, but women haven't really done a whole lot. Not many female badasses.
Oh, wait! There was this one Russian bomber pilot chick in WWII. She was freaking insane, and awesome. Her name escapes me, though. I think it was Irina... something.
I'll second Courtney Love. Anyone who says she murdered Kurt (or in any way encouraged his death) is ignorant of anything resembling facts and I will leave it at that.lonely tylenol said:**snip**
Huh. Really? *checks Wikipedia*Arontala said:She won several, actually. She was captured by the burgundians in a battle, got sold to the english, and they burned her for heresy.Dr Snakeman said:Didn't she win, like, one battle? And then she progressively lost power until they burned her for... something or other?Arontala said:I was just about to edit that in, but I took to long trying too figure out how to snip the damn thing >.>artanis_neravar said:She also believed that god talked to her personally, and the king of France pushed her further and further away until the English captured her and burned her at the stakeArontala said:Zaik said:Not really looking at any specific time, though when the best source for information I have available is Wikipedia it makes it pretty pointless to try to look up stuff on someone that was dead hundreds of years before I was born.Arontala said:What about Joan of Arc? Or are you trying to pick women from a certain time frame?Zaik said:That doesn't really help at all though. If I could think of one, I would have posted that one.lonely tylenol said:Alright, I'll make it easier for you. Just one.Zaik said:I'm trying.
Like, really trying. I can't think of one.
Maybe someone can shake something in my head loose, but as it is now I honestly can't think of any at all.
I've never actually witnessed, or even really heard of, any women doing anything particularly impressive or interesting.
-Women comedians aren't funny because you just end up with 80% sex jokes and 20% jokes that only women would get or care about.
-Women like Oprah only really appeal to women. Obviously there are going to be men who are into it, but they're the exception, not the rule.
-As far as making any sort of scientific progress, they're entirely absent as far as I know. I think there was *one* who had made an actual relevant discovery, but the credit was given to her, her husband, and her best friend, which tends to leave an eyebrow raised.
-Just to knock stereotypes out of the running, women are few and far between as far as professional meal preparation goes.
-lol politics. Not that there's really anything to admire there from the men either though.
What does that leave as far as my interests could *possibly* be stretched, exactly? Nothing.
Women being attractive isn't really a reason to admire them either. Yeah, it takes as much work as it does genetics, but it's not impressive.
So, I'm drawing a blank :/
I tried reading about her there, but in true Wikipedia fashion it's as uninteresting as possible.
Basically, she was in command of armies in a time where women were treated more like cattle than people, and crowned the king of France, which led to the unification of France, and ending the hundred years war against England.
At least, that's what I remember reading in the school history book 10 years ago, so that info may be a bit shaky.
Oh, and she didn't think that god talked to her personally, but she believed various saints did.
I'm not particularly impressed by Joan, is what I'm saying.
Actually, there's some question about how religious she actually was. She may have just used that as a cover story - she was a military genius mostly because she didn't follow the "rules" of war (because she didn't know them). Instead of being honorable, she used actual tactics, which is why she was able to re-capture half of France and crown the prince King.Arontala said:She won several, actually.
Oh, and she was captured by the burgundians in a battle, got sold to the english, and they burned her for heresy. I think.
One of the movies about Jeanne d'Arc only shows her winning one battle (and then skips ahead). That's probably why. It was just to save time so they could have her freak out more. They off-handedly mention her winning more battles, but they only filmed one (I'm of course talking about the one staring what's-her-name from the Resident Evil movies).Dr Snakeman said:Huh. Really? *checks Wikipedia*
Well, sunuvva *****. Don't know where I got the "just one battle" thing from. I guess she is pretty decent.
Hey, now, that's not sexist. I just have pretty high standards for people I admire, and none of those ladies really live up to them: all Earhart did was fly around and disappear, Rosa Parks just sat down (it was the black community as a whole that deserves the credit for the Montgomery bus boycott), all Wolfe did was write (as far as I know), I don't know who Smith is, I don't know of of a single thing Kennedy did except be the President's wife, and Rosie doesn't exist; she's just an image on a poster. Helen Keller was pretty cool, but as great as educating the deaf and/or blind is, it's not exactly spectacular.artanis_neravar said:To follow cbert's example I will post some more to make up for your sexist ignoranceDr Snakeman said:That's really all I got. Sorry, but women haven't really done a whole lot. Not many female badasses.
Oh, wait! There was this one Russian bomber pilot chick in WWII. She was freaking insane, and awesome. Her name escapes me, though. I think it was Irina... something.
Amelia Earhart
Margret Chase Smith
Rosa Parks
Rosie the Riveter
Virginia Wolf
Helen Keller
Jacqueline Kennedy
Just to name a few
Is that the one where the girl gets stabbed into a door then raped at the beginning of the movie?Bara_no_Hime said:One of the movies about Jeanne d'Arc only shows her winning one battle (and then skips ahead). That's probably why. It was just to save time so they could have her freak out more. They off-handedly mention her winning more battles, but they only filmed one (I'm of course talking about the one staring what's-her-name from the Resident Evil movies).
When you describe it like that it makes more sense but saying "Sorry, but women haven't really done a whole lot" comes across as sexist. and Margaret Chase Smith "was a Republican Senator from Maine, and one of the most successful politicians in Maine history. She was the first woman to be elected to both the U.S. House and the Senate, and the first woman from Maine to serve in either. She was also the first woman to have her name placed in nomination for the U.S. Presidency at a major party's convention (1964 Republican Convention, won by Barry Goldwater). She was a moderate Republican, included with those known as Rockefeller Republicans. When she left office, Smith had the record as the longest-serving female senator in United States history, ranking 11th in seniority among the members of the Senate, a distinction that was not surpassed until January 5, 2011, when Senator Barbara Mikulski was sworn in for a fifth term."Dr Snakeman said:Hey, now, that's not sexist. I just have pretty high standards for people I admire, and none of those ladies really live up to them: all Earhart did was fly around and disappear, Rosa Parks just sat down (it was the black community as a whole that deserves the credit for the Montgomery bus boycott), all Wolfe did was write (as far as I know), I don't know who Smith is, I don't know of of a single thing Kennedy did except be the President's wife, and Rosie doesn't exist; she's just an image on a poster. Helen Keller was pretty cool, but as great as educating the deaf and/or blind is, it's not exactly spectacular.artanis_neravar said:To follow cbert's example I will post some more to make up for your sexist ignoranceDr Snakeman said:That's really all I got. Sorry, but women haven't really done a whole lot. Not many female badasses.
Oh, wait! There was this one Russian bomber pilot chick in WWII. She was freaking insane, and awesome. Her name escapes me, though. I think it was Irina... something.
Amelia Earhart
Margret Chase Smith
Rosa Parks
Rosie the Riveter
Virginia Wolf
Helen Keller
Jacqueline Kennedy
Just to name a few
They aren't comparable to Nikola Tesla, or Theodore Roosevelt, or Robert E. Lee, or Bass Reeves. I just can't realistically hold any women as role models.