I was just analogising (it's not a word) that the fact that you can see something and be aware of it doesn't make you qualified to talk about it. A hobby astronomer isn't someone I will ask about the nature of the universe.lacktheknack said:
Timothy Plan Updates "Do Not Buy List" of Videogames for the Holiday Season
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i agree, just making people aware of it is much better petitioning to have it treated like a controlled substance. (unlike some groups) parents need to learn to regulate what there kids view, and this a step in the right direction. inplace of the "let's ban it cause it's evil" routeGeneric Gamer said:
And good on you sir. It's nice to see someone who is willing to see past harsh generalizations and unfair stereotypes. As a devout Christian, I am often dismayed when people assume because I believe in Christ as God that I am in league with the Westboro Baptist Church and such nonsense. Please, be fruitful and multiply. The world needs more people like you.RatRace123 said:
*blink blink* I thought that most outlets wouldn't sell M rated games to minors and I also thought that if you are buying them for your children, that the label on the game and warnings on the back would make it pretty damn obvious that 'THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR KIDS'. I mean, sure it varies from person to person, but if you look at games with a T rating (and most of these listed are rated M), they can be just as bad.
Also, I wasn't aware that 'romantic discussions' were against Christian values. I thought it was usually encouraged to love someone and marry them if you do. So how are 'romantic discussions' reason to caution people against a game? I am most confused.
I get the feeling that these people have to blindfold their children whenever they take them outside because if they're trying to protect them from some of these things that they list, they're doing a pretty big failure of it. After all, partially clothed women are everywhere; there are large advertisements in malls and on billboards and on TV for women parading themselves about in their underwear. So... having that in a video game makes it unacceptable? I am most confused by these double-standards.
The language confuses me too. Your kids are probably hearing worse from friends or other people their age ? my fourteen-year-old brother is capable of some pretty creative swearing himself ? as long as they realize the context and inappropriateness of it, I don't see too big an issue with it. :/
Largely I think that this is something that should be left to a parent's discretion; I'm sure that they're quite capable of deciding what is and isn't appropriate for their kids without needing some religious wing-nuts telling them. Unless they're into that sort of thing in which case I make a face at them that is one part confusion and two parts horror. Keeping your kids in a plastic bubble is all well and good to a point, but then it starts becoming ridiculous when you start denying facts of life and reality.
Will say, I laughed at the 'game addiction' part. Found the 'Gay and Lesbian' sections offensive, but that's probably just a personal thing.
The Call of Duty: Black Ops entry made me laugh so fucking hard. I don't know but something about 'when killed, enemies bleed' and 'it is common to see people burning when caught in explosions'. Gee, I didn't know that that happened! Also, this made me face palm and laugh at the same time: 'The violence can be turned off, but this is a combat game so people will still die.'
Also, I wasn't aware that 'romantic discussions' were against Christian values. I thought it was usually encouraged to love someone and marry them if you do. So how are 'romantic discussions' reason to caution people against a game? I am most confused.
I get the feeling that these people have to blindfold their children whenever they take them outside because if they're trying to protect them from some of these things that they list, they're doing a pretty big failure of it. After all, partially clothed women are everywhere; there are large advertisements in malls and on billboards and on TV for women parading themselves about in their underwear. So... having that in a video game makes it unacceptable? I am most confused by these double-standards.
The language confuses me too. Your kids are probably hearing worse from friends or other people their age ? my fourteen-year-old brother is capable of some pretty creative swearing himself ? as long as they realize the context and inappropriateness of it, I don't see too big an issue with it. :/
Largely I think that this is something that should be left to a parent's discretion; I'm sure that they're quite capable of deciding what is and isn't appropriate for their kids without needing some religious wing-nuts telling them. Unless they're into that sort of thing in which case I make a face at them that is one part confusion and two parts horror. Keeping your kids in a plastic bubble is all well and good to a point, but then it starts becoming ridiculous when you start denying facts of life and reality.
Will say, I laughed at the 'game addiction' part. Found the 'Gay and Lesbian' sections offensive, but that's probably just a personal thing.
The Call of Duty: Black Ops entry made me laugh so fucking hard. I don't know but something about 'when killed, enemies bleed' and 'it is common to see people burning when caught in explosions'. Gee, I didn't know that that happened! Also, this made me face palm and laugh at the same time: 'The violence can be turned off, but this is a combat game so people will still die.'
I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but homosexuality is, in the strictest sense, inherently anti-family. Two people of the same sex cannot create life, and therefore cannot start a family.TakeFour said:
In addition, the Timothy Plan is interested in promoting Christian ideals. Homosexuality is a sin in the Judeo-Christian faith, and always will be. The Bible states it plainly. But humanity is also instructed to love the sinner and hate the sin. To be upset that Christians do not support homosexuals is like being upset that Jews don't eat pork: it is simply a part of the belief structure.
All that being said, no real Christian will hate a homosexual the way the media would have you believe. As a Christian, I have several gay friends. They know that I don't approve of their lifestyle, and that I pray they stop. They respect my beliefs, and I in turn don't shove mine on them. They know where I stand, and they are adults with God-given free will that will live their lives as they see fit.
Whew! I didn't expect to get into such a rant! I guess what I'm trying to say is don't be enraged.
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That said, I was a little surprised to find that I've played all the games with gay content, with the exception of Saints Row 2(??).
On the other hand, they have a category for Gay/Lesbian themes along with the violence and drugs. They even seem to be angry that in Fable III you can adopt a child with a same-sex wife/husband. How the hell is that "anti-family"?
That said, I was a little surprised to find that I've played all the games with gay content, with the exception of Saints Row 2(??).
Huh? Alice is actually clothed for more of her appearances than she is is in her underwear. And it wasn't a vest. It was a white T-Shirt. And she's not wearing a thong or anything like that. She looks like she's about ready to go to bed, which is what she's doing when she gets taken (I made a joke there).
Ask any employee of a large gaming retail outlet, and I bet you'd get an answer to that question, unfortunately. People seek out information that confirms their own preconceptions, and disregard information that challenges them. It's easier that way. This is why a British MP made a damning indictment of one videogame, before then admitting when questioned that she'd never even seen it played.Double A said:
It does seem as if the school system and news media today is less an exercise in providing facts and more an exercise in teaching people to rehearse their own prejudices. You have "left wing" media and "right wing" media (although what counts as "left wing" and "right wing" seems to differ from person to person, as well as society to society, but whatever.) What happened to unbiased reporting? There's a certain "Blame the parents" viewpoint on this forum, and rightly so. But how can we expect people to make "informed decisions" when they're taught from an early age to take a side and stick to it, regardless of what justification there is for doing so?
Just Cause 2 has 2/3 for sex...incidentally the same rating as Mass Effect 2. Huh? Was there something I missed?
Red Dead Redemption is 3/3, which is pretty weird...
Does seem to respect ESRB ratings though. Not quite as alarmist as one would have expected.
Red Dead Redemption is 3/3, which is pretty weird...
Does seem to respect ESRB ratings though. Not quite as alarmist as one would have expected.
Video games are not as complex as the universe.manythings said:
They play them (or read parent-guide articles of people who play them) then say what's morally sketchy about them. Not rocket-science.
Umm, just because it's obvious to YOU that the game is an intense, gritty death-fest doesn't mean it's obvious to my mother. She knows I like stealth and evasion games, and she knows that "Black Ops" implies espionage and subversion, not FIREEVERYWHEREAAAAAAHHHHHH. She'd probably assume it's about corporate and government espionage, stealth and escape elements, like what the title IMPLIES. But she'd be REALLY pissed when she walked in and saw the screaming burned people.estoria-etnia said:
There is a place for this list, believe it or not.
It's comments like that that make me wonder how it is that Christians are the only ones in this country that get a reputation for intollerance.Faladorian said:
Another person who didn't bother READING THE DAMN SOURCE.Dragons In Space said:
I get the feeling the editor would panic his way through several levels before turning it off and writing down that's it's not appropriate for children (contest this, I dare you!). They say ON THE WEBSITE that they don't support banning in any form.
Homosexuality is not morally sketchy. There is no rational or sane argument that can dispute this fact.lacktheknack said:
If somebody compiling a list of things that are morally sketchy includes homosexuality, we can reasonably assume that they're either irrational, insane or ignorant (or c: all of the above). The argument against homosexuality is essentially people who are angry at other people for being happy.
And don't argue that it's about sexual content which happens to be homosexual, if that were the case they wouldn't have made an own category for it. They even listed gay adoption as a negative in the Fable series.
This post probably looks very arrogant, but if you genuinely agree with the extreme right-wing Christians at this point you might as well be arguing for the goddamn slave trade.