I'm not sure I'm with you here. Common courtesy is phrasing your order politely eg. "Could I have a medium rare stake please?" rather than "Medium rare stake! Now!!". Common courtesy is not giving everyone you speak to money.TheRocketeer said:I always tip generously; the restaurant industry sucks, period, and the way waiters are paid is retarded. Most of them need good tips just to get by. You aren't helping gild their mansions' toilets by throwing in another %5, you're getting their utilities payed on time.
But more than just the money, it's always worth it to just be courteous and nice to your waiter. Anyone that's ever worked in the service industry can tell you that it only takes one asshole customer to ruin your whole day, and you don't know whether you're the table right before or right after that guy. So it's worth it to try and make up for that- never mind just being the right thing to do anyway.
I can't stand eating with people who treat their waiters like garbage. I've just never understood what it is about a notepad and a button-down/vest combo that scream "I'm not a person working eleven hours a day for sub-minimum wage" to some people.
I eat at the same place every week, am known there and have never tipped the staff. For them, seeing casual violence, threats and obscene language and behaviour is a daily occurrence because of the area, so just seeing a friendly face is a relief. The food is reasonably priced, but still I would not pay extra for something they are already paid for.Gottesstrafe said:Basic rule of thumb is "Don't mess with the people who handle your food". If you eat at some place regularly, tips are absolutely essential. If you are well acquainted/friends with your server, likewise. Standard fare is 15%, negotiable depending on the quality of service. Generally ordering many dishes at once or more expensive dishes should be rewarded with larger tips (i.e. ordering lobster or eating at a fine dining establishment), small or inconsequential dishes (i.e. a hamburger, desert, or appetizer by themselves) can call for smaller tips. If you're eating at an establishment that's packed (i.e. a newly opened restaurant or you're watching the game there with friends) or catch a restaurant right before they're closing, a large tip is much appreciated. Never pay below 10% (or none at all) unless a.) the service sucked, or b.) you never plan to eat there again or very irregularly regardless of the service (and are a douche).
Fatboy_41 said:Of course I give a standard amount. It's included in the bill and it's called their wages.
I have no doubt that there are rude people around that make the job harder than it needs to be. I've seen it happen. I also feel no responsibility to make up for those people by leaving extra money when I've received nothing exceptional.
If someone provides me with great service, I will tip them. If I get the service that is expected, then that's what their already paid for. And if I receive shitty service, which does happen, I will complain and generally, I won't pay the full bill.
Hospitality work is about service. If you don't provide the service, you don't deserve the pay.
It must be nice to live in the UK where you can stiff complimenting the service you get and feel alright about it. But as it was said in OP, servers in the United States DO NOT in fact get livable wages included into their wages. I suppose it also forces more servers in the United States to go above and beyond elsewhere. Sure, I get the occasional bad server but more often I get a server who always has a smile, greets me, and makes me feel at home.bahumat42 said:so do people who work in tech support
do you tip them?
I only tip if the service was really good, otherwise they didn't earn it. (being from the uk, they are earning livable wage anyway).
i work in one (in the UK mind you) and our company policy doesn't allow us tips (that the managers know about). i've worked there 3 and a half years, and i have only been tipped once, because i went out of my way to help the customer because we were quiet and i was in a good mood. other than that, i have only ever seen 2 people ever get tipped. i don't expect tips because the customers do a lot of the work, but we serve so many people and we are seen as a sort of fancy cafe so people just don't.thiosk said:other style restaurants-- you know the type. You go in, stand at the counter, order, and sit down with a number. The staff brings you food, and busses you table, but you get your own drinks and ordered your own food. What the heck do you do here? Its not exactly a fast food joint, where no tip is expected, and its not a table service restaurant...
strange my local pizza hut doesn't do that, ive only ever paid for my meal (unless i tip obviously)bahumat42 said:pizza hutt do that too. I think a few chain s try to. But for the most part its not that widespread yet fortunately.ELCTea said:there is a place here in the uk called frankie and bennys, i found out the other day that the sly bastards actually work their tip into your bill!! lets just say that's the last time i fo there as i believe the amount i tip should be based on how the service is.
No table service, no tip. It's meant to be for the waiter/waitress. So if there isn't one, there's no point tipping!thiosk said:what do you tip at restaurants withOUT standard table service, excluding fast food style joints?