Tired of being treated as a second class gamer....

[DaHero]

Rivarlies, both between companies and their fans, have always been there.

Nintendo and Sega had a friendly competition, mostly in good fun ("Nintendon't" is hilarious) and Nintendo won in the end.

N64 vs PSX was so interesting, it practically spawned two distinct gaming directions. Everybody, especially the gamers, won.

The PS2 won its generation by the sheer number of great games, even if most of them also came out on GCN or the PC or whathaveyou. Sony won so hard, Nintendo made a waggle-platform next, to avoid the tough fight altogether.

Then the XBox came along, and the Console Wars were born. "My cheap assortment of near-identical hardware running 98% of the same games is much better than yours, you dirty fanboy!" Every gamer lost.

The PC was only dragged into this because for the first time since the Commodore64, their plastic boxes full of fans could compare to some of our mid-range machines, so naturally everybody made sure we would lose some, too. Misery loves company?

It's not very admirable of PC Gamers to let themselves be dragged into these dick-measuring contests (especially since it's kindergartners inviting full-grown men...), but there you go.

And all that just because the guys who make the most money in PCs decided to give everyone cheap and easy access to online trash-talking. Good job, Bill.

Daaaaaayyyyuuuuummm....you put it perfectly. Now if only we could get a few million people to spam this every time PC vs. Console comes up...

If you value your PC heritage, unite and save this quote! Let's end this debate once and for all, posting this every time the console elitist strike at us!

 

[teqrevisited]

I have nothing against console players, it's where I started after all, but there is a problem with the triple A developers of late. Developing primarily for hardware that is now practically ancient, as far as technology is concerned, means that unless they put extra effort into making the game suited to the PC aswell it will usually be lacking.

Not many developers seem to be upping the bar to move with the newer, better hardware and until either they change their priorities or the console developers produce another generation of consoles the quality will just stagnate and we'll be forced to endure more gimmicky, non-optimal filler games in the meantime.

 

[Phishfood]

I must admit I'm sick of PC games calling me a pirate and insisting they be allowed to phone home every 30 seconds before they will let me install them. Is PC gaming dying? yes, it is. The publishers are killing it. Every time I can't play a game because some server is down, or I have to buy a second copy of something because I hit an install limit it makes me want to switch to consoles. The only thing stopping me is that I love games like x-com and civ that will never ever come out on consoles.

As for one lot being better than the other...well, I'm a PC gamer and the smartest guy I know at work is a console gamer. So, no I wouldn't say either group was smarter or retarded. Heck, the people at work I consider retarded don't game at all.

But, I consider deus ex a perfect example of something that was "dumbed down". Deus ex 1: a rich RPG fps with varied weapons and implants and a great story

Deux ex 2: a steaming pile of shit with shared ammo, a plot that left me shooting coffee in a mall with no idea why and far less RPG elements.

It was dumbed down for the "mainstream" audience, just as they are doing with the XCom game. Its not a sequel to please fans its a shameless cash grab on a good brand. That is what people mean when they say something is dumbed down for console tards. They mean "the mainstream audience". They say console tards because the mainstream audience has mostly arrived with consoles.


Well, thats why semi-intelligent people say it. Intelligent people don't say it. Idiots say it because they don't have a clue about anything and think its fun to insult people.

 

[Gigano]

This is probably one of the most laughable, most inconsequential, least noteworthy "conflicts" ever seen. Phrased in civil rights terms, no less.

Discussing the various strengths and weaknesses of each platform - and how progression/regression on each of them affect the others - is fine and all, but seriously, anyone who either feel any superiority or inferiority, or who - worse yet - actually feel offended by their favourite platform being talked dirty to need to get their head checked for a defective sense of proportion.

Not to mention the physiological examination necessary to explain the curious case of their survival despite the lack of any hide or spine.

 

[RatRace123]

I agree, we should all be classified as gamers rather than putting labels on ourselves. As to what system you play on, it all comes down to your own preferences. I don't think any system is better than any other, and certainly no gamer is better than any other just because of what he/she plays games on.
Take me for example, I prefer to play on consoles mainly because I like the relative stability of them. I haven't had good experiences with PCs when it comes to them not... dying, so to speak; whereas I've only had one console crap out on me (The 360 Red ringed.)
I do concede that PCs are better for genres like RTSs, shooters and RPGs (the more old school tactical kind), not to mention graphics and processing power is better on PC.

As for the issue of PC gamers being slighted by developers, that's more of a problem with development philosophy than a fault on any of the fanbases. A lot of people just assume you can quickly and cheaply port a game across different platforms and not have to tweak much beyond the control scheme, it doesn't really work that way of course.

I think the elitism aspect comes into play, not when people start hyping up their system but when they start saying that other people are wrong for playing on something different. Every system brings something different to the table and the variety of choice we have is important.
My thoughts on that anyway.

 

[Worgen]

Consoles are slimlined for quick and easy use. They don't require in-depth knowledge and since there won't be any problems, there's no need to have any knowledge as to how to fix the problem.

Console players don't find any problem with this because they have never experienced what it's like to come across a bug, or a weapon glitch, go into the system, find the engine.ini, and adjust the value to fix the problem. Fixing a small error like that is just one of the few things that make being a PC gamer worthwhile, but console elitists see it as a problem.

Console elitists will never understand because they've never had the experience of what real options are, the ability to adjust damage, edit levels, even the forge from Halo 3 can only do so much.

actually consoles get errors all the time, you just cant really do anything about them, Ive gone tho one 360 already from it red ringing and Ive had more then a few games crash and consoles still get their fair share of bugs, Im looking at you new vegas, but really the only recourse consoles have is shipping them to the manufacturer to be fixed

 

[Cridhe]

Don't like it? Don't play it. Come on they're just video games, I doin't care what you prefer just don't whine about some sense of self entitlement you've managed to develop in some mystical way.

 

[JIst00]

The PC vs Console debate is a silly one in my eyes, as it is purely subjective. Gamers are gamers, preiod. Anything beyond that point is fanboyism to some degree.

I've gamed for the last two decades, on both PC and console, and while I personally prefer a M&K for say an RTS, some RPG's and definately FPS's, thats because thats the control scheme I grew up playing them on and what I am comfortable with. Even then, I'm not adverse to playing FPS's with a gamepad.

Both platforms offer some awesome titles, and some bad ones, but that makes niether platform superior or inferior. As I say I play both platforms, but I tend to spend more time currently on the console, other than when I'm playing MMO's, as I dont have the money to keep up with the arms race that is PC hardware; with a console I can buy a game, pop it in and off I go, without worrying that the title wont run on my crappy rig.

Every post I've read up to now has been objective and rational, written by people who can frame an argument, the problem arises when you consider the proliferation of gaming today; it isn't just us passionate rational gamer fans, we have to account for the douchebaggery that people in a general sense bring to anything.

People can be retarded douches, in EVERY RESPECT, and unfortunately, these people tend to be more vocal, and so the vocal minority perpetrate a bad image for the majority. This, unfortunately, is true of everything in life.

So to all the "elistist fanboy's"; who cares what platform , console or genre is best? We love games, and thats what counts.

 

[Phishfood]

Remember that most people would rather just pop in the game and play. That's not a lesser experience, that's simply wanting to pop in the game and play. I understand where you're coming from, too, but many people don't care for a bunch of options. That can be fairly daunting. Some don't have the time or energy to do all that. I do, but I just don't have the money.

Its quite true. There are a branch of people who think spending 3 hours recompiling a linux kernel makes them special. These are the ones who are most vocal about console owners being tards I would imagine. But heres the thing, I have both a mac and a PC. On the PC I download an installer, double click it, click next many times, done. On the mac I download a file, drag it into applications, done. I am not complaining about either experience but guess which one I prefer. Then lets add my dad's little linux netbook into the mix. Updating open office was a matter of downloading a file, googling to try and find how to install it, typing several commands in, being told I have the wrong version of java. Repeating the process for java. Going back to open office to find out that now I have too new a version of java. About there I gave up and reached for my XP USB stick.

 

[DaHero]

Consoles are slimlined for quick and easy use. They don't require in-depth knowledge and since there won't be any problems, there's no need to have any knowledge as to how to fix the problem.

Console players don't find any problem with this because they have never experienced what it's like to come across a bug, or a weapon glitch, go into the system, find the engine.ini, and adjust the value to fix the problem. Fixing a small error like that is just one of the few things that make being a PC gamer worthwhile, but console elitists see it as a problem.

Console elitists will never understand because they've never had the experience of what real options are, the ability to adjust damage, edit levels, even the forge from Halo 3 can only do so much.

actually consoles get errors all the time, you just cant really do anything about them, Ive gone tho one 360 already from it red ringing and Ive had more then a few games crash and consoles still get their fair share of bugs, Im looking at you new vegas, but really the only recourse consoles have is shipping them to the manufacturer to be fixed

Now imagine a PC nerd getting into the 360 and fixing the RROD (probably remove the saftey that makes it shut off) in a matter of minutes, and you see why PC gamers feel a little upset at being treated like the Plebeians. (I know that's not exactly how the RROD fix works, but bear with me on that)

 

[Cridhe]

My religion is the right religion, you're just going to burn in hell for having a different god.

Sound familiar?

 

[Phlakes]

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TL;DR

But really, it's human nature to hate people who are different. Obviously *cough religion cough*.

Not gonna be changing that any time soon.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

The hell are you talking about?

Being a PC gamer is great. Console gamers don't have anything against it either, just the stupid ones. And do we listen to stupid people?

No.

 

[Mudkipith]

Something I've never understood was how if all games are made on PC's... Wouldn't that make it easier to at least port to PC? But I digress.

I think more companies should take the Valve approach and develope games for both PC's and consoles with controls and flow that isn't affected by what you play on./

But in the end we must realize that PC gaming is beginning to fall, and it won't be long before we're the senior citizens of gaming; I truely hope it's after I lose interesting in gaming.

 

[Worgen]

Consoles are slimlined for quick and easy use. They don't require in-depth knowledge and since there won't be any problems, there's no need to have any knowledge as to how to fix the problem.

Console players don't find any problem with this because they have never experienced what it's like to come across a bug, or a weapon glitch, go into the system, find the engine.ini, and adjust the value to fix the problem. Fixing a small error like that is just one of the few things that make being a PC gamer worthwhile, but console elitists see it as a problem.

Console elitists will never understand because they've never had the experience of what real options are, the ability to adjust damage, edit levels, even the forge from Halo 3 can only do so much.

actually consoles get errors all the time, you just cant really do anything about them, Ive gone tho one 360 already from it red ringing and Ive had more then a few games crash and consoles still get their fair share of bugs, Im looking at you new vegas, but really the only recourse consoles have is shipping them to the manufacturer to be fixed

Now imagine a PC nerd getting into the 360 and fixing the RROD (probably remove the saftey that makes it shut off) in a matter of minutes, and you see why PC gamers feel a little upset at being treated like the Plebeians. (I know that's not exactly how the RROD fix works, but bear with me on that)

I know its possible to fix but it also probably voids the warranty and given microsofts rep might trigger something that results in a future patch bricking the console for modding or something

 

[yanipheonu]

I just hate how some PC gamers can be such DICKS.

As a Mac user and a gamer who plays consoles almost exclusivly, I get that a lot.

Because acting like that really makes me want to be a fan of your platform...

I dunno, I don't really know that many people acting elitist about consoles though... I mean the PC has it's place. RTS and MMOs are obvious, along with people who prefer keyboard & Mouse for FPS and other games.

The console is better for more straight forward titles, like action adventure games and fighters.

I dunno, I guess because of how mistreated the PC has become for support and DLC, it's perceived by some people that you're being stubborn or elitist just to play on PC. I don't really agree with that, but it does make sense why people think that way.

 

[DaHero]

Consoles are slimlined for quick and easy use. They don't require in-depth knowledge and since there won't be any problems, there's no need to have any knowledge as to how to fix the problem.

Console players don't find any problem with this because they have never experienced what it's like to come across a bug, or a weapon glitch, go into the system, find the engine.ini, and adjust the value to fix the problem. Fixing a small error like that is just one of the few things that make being a PC gamer worthwhile, but console elitists see it as a problem.

Console elitists will never understand because they've never had the experience of what real options are, the ability to adjust damage, edit levels, even the forge from Halo 3 can only do so much.

actually consoles get errors all the time, you just cant really do anything about them, Ive gone tho one 360 already from it red ringing and Ive had more then a few games crash and consoles still get their fair share of bugs, Im looking at you new vegas, but really the only recourse consoles have is shipping them to the manufacturer to be fixed

Now imagine a PC nerd getting into the 360 and fixing the RROD (probably remove the saftey that makes it shut off) in a matter of minutes, and you see why PC gamers feel a little upset at being treated like the Plebeians. (I know that's not exactly how the RROD fix works, but bear with me on that)

I know its possible to fix but it also probably voids the warranty and given microsofts rep might trigger something that results in a future patch bricking the console for modding or something

Exactly, that doesn't happen on a PC.