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Brett Alex

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Rev Erebus said:
Ahhh but in the end didn't Mussolini betray Hitler and declare Italy neutral and let allies move through Italy.
Irridium said:
Not exactly, Mossolini died (I think he was executed, but he may have commited suicide) during the war and the next leader betrayed Hitler.
Killed by Communists I think you'll find. Its a more common form of death than you'd think.

Hitler actually went so far as to order a commando rescue for him when he was first deposed by the Italian people, and he worked for a while as a sort of puppet dictator.
No one quite betrayed Hitler in that sense, the new government never agreed to ally with him (they declared war on Germany in fact), and many of the Italian people saw the Allies as their liberators, some sections of the army even volunteering to fight against the Nazis.
 

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Lazier Than Thou said:
He gave him 25 DvDs in exchange for a pen set made from an artifact of a ship!
It was more than just a pen set made from any old ship.

The pen set was carved from the timbers of a Royal Navy anti-slavery ship (which should of extra significance to America's first black President), which was also the sister ship of HMS Resolute, from who's timbers the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is carved from.

Also, to add insult to injury, Gordon Brown couldn't even watch any of the DVDs because they are all Region 1 locked.
 

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Jamash said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
He gave him 25 DvDs in exchange for a pen set made from an artifact of a ship!
It was more than just a pen set made from any old ship.

The pen set was carved from the timbers of a Royal Navy anti-slavery ship (which should of extra significance to America's first black President), which was also the sister ship of HMS Resolute, from who's timbers the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is carved from.

Also, to add insult to injury, Gordon Brown couldn't even watch any of the DVDs because they are all Region 1 locked.
That's right, I forgot the specifics of the pen set. I knew it was important, that's why I used the word "artifact" to describe the ship. Thank you for correcting me.

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Didn't he also suggest giving back the bust of Winston Churchill that was given to America after 9/11?
 

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Im English and i consider America as family, we are two sides of the same coin. Both very powerful countries which look out for each other. But i hate people who use stupid stereotypes of Britain. We don't all have bad teeth, i HATE tea and crumpets. But anyway, i love America and i like %99.9 of Americans. But after all i am British and proud!!!!!
 

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Lazier Than Thou said:
Jamash said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
He gave him 25 DvDs in exchange for a pen set made from an artifact of a ship!
It was more than just a pen set made from any old ship.

The pen set was carved from the timbers of a Royal Navy anti-slavery ship (which should of extra significance to America's first black President), which was also the sister ship of HMS Resolute, from who's timbers the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is carved from.

Also, to add insult to injury, Gordon Brown couldn't even watch any of the DVDs because they are all Region 1 locked.
That's right, I forgot the specifics of the pen set. I knew it was important, that's why I used the word "artifact" to describe the ship. Thank you for correcting me.

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Didn't he also suggest giving back the bust of Winston Churchill that was given to America after 9/11?
Please tell me he didn't that would be like returning the Statue of Liberty to the French because she's gone a bit green (well maybe not exactly the same but still pretty disgraceful).

And with the gift's thing I have images of Obama saying "we agreed on a twenty dollar limit"
 

Lazier Than Thou

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messy said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
Jamash said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
He gave him 25 DvDs in exchange for a pen set made from an artifact of a ship!
It was more than just a pen set made from any old ship.

The pen set was carved from the timbers of a Royal Navy anti-slavery ship (which should of extra significance to America's first black President), which was also the sister ship of HMS Resolute, from who's timbers the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is carved from.

Also, to add insult to injury, Gordon Brown couldn't even watch any of the DVDs because they are all Region 1 locked.
That's right, I forgot the specifics of the pen set. I knew it was important, that's why I used the word "artifact" to describe the ship. Thank you for correcting me.

Edit:

Didn't he also suggest giving back the bust of Winston Churchill that was given to America after 9/11?
Please tell me he didn't that would be like returning the Statue of Liberty to the French because she's gone a bit green (well maybe not exactly the same but still pretty disgraceful).

And with the gift's thing I have images of Obama saying "we agreed on a twenty dollar limit"
In http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/06/2009-03-06_london_aghast_at_president_obama_over_gi.html all it says is that the bust was removed but in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html it says that it was actually sent back.

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This is why I'm always flabbergasted when anyone from the EU says something positive about PBO(President Barack Obama).
 

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Britain is like that strict parent whose house we moved out of a long time ago. Yeah we butted heads a lot when we lived together, and there was a scene when we moved out, and we swore never to speak to them again. But we've long since moved past that, and now our family bonds are as strong as ever.

:)
 

messy

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Lazier Than Thou said:
messy said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
Jamash said:
Lazier Than Thou said:
SNIP
That's right, I forgot the specifics of the pen set. I knew it was important, that's why I used the word "artifact" to describe the ship. Thank you for correcting me.

Edit:

Didn't he also suggest giving back the bust of Winston Churchill that was given to America after 9/11?
Please tell me he didn't that would be like returning the Statue of Liberty to the French because she's gone a bit green (well maybe not exactly the same but still pretty disgraceful).

And with the gift's thing I have images of Obama saying "we agreed on a twenty dollar limit"
In http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/06/2009-03-06_london_aghast_at_president_obama_over_gi.html all it says is that the bust was removed but in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html it says that it was actually sent back.

Edit:

This is why I'm always flabbergasted when anyone from the EU says something positive about PBO(President Barack Obama).
Well the positive stems from he's breath of fresh air from most after Bush. Which personally I think as well. And after reading his book I agreed with a lot of his points but it does appear he's let a bit of this popularity to his head. I can vaguely understand the Churchill thing since his father was Kenyan. But to remove it is a bit irritating, Brown gave it to him because Churchill was one of the best Primeministers and someone we British take immense pride in "we'll fight them on the beaches..."

The DVD however is just wrong on so many levels.
 

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I wasn't a big fan of the dog and pony show we got from Bush and Blair for all those years. That's not an opinion on your country as a whole, just the little tag-along you elected that followed our inept leader like a lemming to the bluffs.

Other than that I love England. To show my support I order fish and chips quite often. I'm assuming you all get residuals every time I buy them, right?
 

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resultsmayvary said:
I wasn't a big fan of the dog and pony show we got from Bush and Blair for all those years. That's not an opinion on your country as a whole, just the little tag-along you elected that followed our inept leader like a lemming to the bluffs.

Other than that I love England. To show my support I order fish and chips quite often. I'm assuming you all get residuals every time I buy them, right?
I quite liked Blair, and under him we negotiated the cease fire with the IRA. However I too was annoyed with the he followed Bush a bit too readily.
 

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Specter_ said:
Bertinan said:
Squarez said:
Bertinan said:
I work with some Brits. Great folk, I like them a lot. I've always wanted to visit, too...

Your government, though...I wish you'd just tell the EU to go stuff itself (cowards they are), and do your own thing...it worked for hundreds of years for you, after all. You also have a lot of weird censorship things going on, it looks like, and restrictions on all sorts of things. I mean, is it true they banned carrying any kind of knife on you?

The people, though...they're great. Your food sucks, however;)
Yes it's true, but the reason they did that is to reduce the amount of knife crime, because as guns aren't allowed, youths started carrying knives for "protection", and at one point I believe there were about 20 murders in 6 months in London alone using knives in the street, all committed by and done to teenagers.

P.S. Fish and Chips > Hotdogs/Cheeseburgers
Duuuuuuuuuude. 20 murders in 6 months is it? Shock! There's like, 20+ murders a day in cities like New York.

Though, before any crazy anti-gun advocates show up, let me state that I am totally pro-gun. Furthermore, research done on why the murder rate is high in the US suggests it's more due to the fact that it's more due to differences in societies, and the way our law enforcement defines homicide, rather than due to guns.
In germany we had a total of 314 murders and 378 manslaughters in 2007.

So either it's because we (europeans) don't have guns as easily available or because we are more civilized than certain other countries...
I'm Swedish and here is how I see it.
I never trust the media or the government to do statistical research but according to them:
"On average about 100 people are killed each year by another person". I think they calculated the average by stretching far back in time to get a better result. But in 2006 there were 240 deaths related to violence in Sweden (murder, manslaughter and death as result of an assault).
Denmark and Norway shared had 62 (29 + 33). Sweden is a lot more diverse in terms of cultures than Denmark or Norway and I think that is a big reason. However only an idiot would say it's a good idea to have people carry guns around. Where I come from we exchange a few knuckles to solve our differences, maybe we would shoot each other too if we could.

EDIT: Some ambiguity in the text.
 

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Bertinan said:
I work with some Brits. Great folk, I like them a lot. I've always wanted to visit, too...

Your government, though...I wish you'd just tell the EU to go stuff itself (cowards they are), and do your own thing...it worked for hundreds of years for you, after all. You also have a lot of weird censorship things going on, it looks like, and restrictions on all sorts of things. I mean, is it true they banned carrying any kind of knife on you?

The people, though...they're great. Your food sucks, however;)
They had to ban the knives, there were too many of the lesser educated angry types carrying them round after downing 3 litres of cider and stabbing anyone that has the good grace to be in their city.

As to my opinion? I agree with you, the EU should all go and die. ALL OF THEM. They've caused nothing but trouble. As far as metaphors go, America is the little brother that got bigger than the older brother, Britain is the the older brother, and the EU is there telling Britain to do drugs and kill prostitutes,
 

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resultsmayvary said:
I wasn't a big fan of the dog and pony show we got from Bush and Blair for all those years. That's not an opinion on your country as a whole, just the little tag-along you elected that followed our inept leader like a lemming to the bluffs.

Other than that I love England. To show my support I order fish and chips quite often. I'm assuming you all get residuals every time I buy them, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble there, but we don't get commission :p
 

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The Special Relationship.

I'm not a fan of it. It feels to me like the guy who hangs out with popular kid, sure he gets benefits from it, but he gets bad deal in comparasin.

Take for example the extradition policy between America and Britain, Britain must provide strong evidence and afull report if they want to extradite a criminal from America, America can than go into various negotiations. If America wants to extradite, they say who they want and what crime he did and Britain isn't allowed to say anything.

On Barack Obama, I'm not sure if he's interested in Britain, he's trying to distance himself from all that Bush stuff and show how different he is. I feel it's a threat to the Special Relationship, but if it falls apart, there's always the NATO stuff.
 

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Fortunately for the Obama, the British media forgave him about the DVD slip up and the Ipod with his own speeches on it- seeing it as a forgivable and amusing mistake. (but imagine the reaction of Bush had made the same mistake...)

I do get the impression that to Obama Britain is just one of many other western nations. When really, In American history and culture, the UK a bit more significant than "any other western nation". I would suppose Obama is taking a more general approach and wants America to be friends with all other nations, rather than just focus on the UK. Playing the "special relationship" card is something that Bush would have done, and he wants to distance himself from that.

Shame about the removal of the Churchill bust as well. Again, fair enough it was a gift for Bush, and if Churchill was an American politician he would have been republican. Still, Churchill is a fitting symbol of Anglo-American co-operation, in fact i believe Kennedy made him an honourary American citizen. The removal of Churchill's bust does seem symbolically significant, no matter how you look at it.
 

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Nickolai77 said:
Fortunately for the Obama, the British media forgave him about the DVD slip up and the Ipod with his own speeches on it- seeing it as a forgivable and amusing mistake. (but imagine the reaction of Bush had made the same mistake...)
It I strange how we'd damn Bush so much more. Obama hasn't done anything extrodianarily "good" so far. I think it's because people still think he has "potential" to be good, and there's a lot of people counting on him to be great such as minorities who fell he's their voice, democrats who haven't been in power or the people he disagreed with Bush
 

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matnatz said:
mightyfoo69 said:
Some one said earlier that america is rich... Yea only about 1 person out of every 2000 is... only celebrities, Business owners/CEO and Politicians are rich, the rest are in an economical depression basically. or atleast everone in hell (kansas) is.


No, those people are still rich. Even the poorest people in America are rich. My income is way below what's considered average and even I am in the top 14% of the world population.
So that homeless guy I saw who was missing his teeth and looked like he hadn't bathed in weeks is rich to you?
 

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Britan is like our older brother who is always hanging out with us but doesn't realize "it's not cool to hang out with your kid brother"

At least from a military standpoint.
 

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I really like Britain. I haven't ever been, but it's where the Gerrard family started and I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with the British via the 360 live arcade. I think of Britain as an equal. It's weird though. I had the same worries about how other countries thought of us right now. We sure have pissed a lot of people off in the past decade, but thats merely our politicians. The average american is not so different from the status quo of the rest of the world. We're not the war-hungry, lazy, superficial, spoiled twats some make us out to be. I can't speak for everyone, but I myself work hard, appriciate good values and try to stay open-minded about wordly affairs. Our media reflects the exact opposite of these things, which I'm sure dosn't help our image, but I think we're more alike than anyone cares to credit.
 

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Sosakitty said:
matnatz said:
mightyfoo69 said:
Some one said earlier that america is rich... Yea only about 1 person out of every 2000 is... only celebrities, Business owners/CEO and Politicians are rich, the rest are in an economical depression basically. or atleast everone in hell (kansas) is.


No, those people are still rich. Even the poorest people in America are rich. My income is way below what's considered average and even I am in the top 14% of the world population.
So that homeless guy I saw who was missing his teeth and looked like he hadn't bathed in weeks is rich to you?
I overlooked homeless people because they're pretty much outside of the system. I was talking about the lower classes, the working class or those who are unemployed. How many times do you see the "poor" people smoking and drinking? How often do you see a so-called poor person who is obese? Actually the homeless guy still probably has some sort of income, which is more than around 80% (I'm guessing) of the world's population. So, yeah, even the poorest in the west are still richer than most others. I don't even see why anyone would even try and challenge that, saying that they aren't is like saying that grass is purple.