To all the Europeans and Aussie's on this forum...
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I don't need a gun, and I don't need others to have a gun either. In my opinion we're all better off without them.
Brady Campaign is on of those "Think of the Children" movements that want to ban guns. They spread lies, like .50 being HEAT SEEKING.Goatlemon said:
No. It is the people.Gormers1 said:
Seriously. Guns dont make people into criminals.
Norway is peaceful because of its people. America has the gang banger culture, which is where all the violence comes from. If we remove all the gang bangers, America would be the most peaceful country on the planet.
Willing to put a "This is a gun free home" sign outside then?DarkLordofDevon said:
The problem with your argument is the fact that in America, every city that enacted anti-gun legislation SPIKED in crime afterwards. Gun legislation by and large only affects the law abiding citizen, the ones less likely to commit a crime with a legally bought, registered firearm.Armitage Shanks said:
Criminals can and do buy them illegally. I myself know a man who deals in black market guns, ranging from derringers to full auto aks. It is a billion dollar business, and until governments crack down on the illegal works, everything else is hot air and feel good, "We are doing something with your tax dollars" rhetoric that accomplishes nothing.
Seriously. Just read the link. They have valid sources for nearly everything. No lies, no BS.Goatlemon said:
But I guess you are one of those that just dont want to see the facts laid out.
Cant help you then.
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.0/GunFacts5-0-screen.pdf
Have you read any of my links? Why are your facts more factual than mine? Mine also have sources and no BS.mosinmatt said:
Trust me, far more convincing people than you have tried and failed to convince me that gun control is bad. I live in Australia and know it works here and no one from the other side of the world can tell me otherwise.
The fact is you came into this thread saying that Australia's crime rate went up after the abolition of guns and that we have many violent crimes here, I called you on that and provided proof to the contrary.
I have never said that the USA needs gun control; I've even said I don't care whether or not you have gun control as it's none of my business. Every argument I've made is in retaliation to the assumption that gun control can't work because it will just give criminals free reign and allow the government to exploit it's people.
Personally, I like to be able to walk down the street with nothing more than a niggling fear in the deep dark corner of my mind that is always spouting paranoid crap at me that I will be shot at. In the area I live in, people are more likely to stab you. NFI why. I carry a 6 inch dagger with me if I'm on my own at night, purely because I'm a girl, and it sucks to admit it, but in a fair fight, a guy will win. And considering I'm not trained officially in anything, it's highly unlikely I'll come across a 'fair fight' from a mugger in the street. So the dagger gives me a slight advantage of surprise.
I like guns as much as the next person; I love hunting with my family when we visit out in the middle of nowhere on my friends property. (NOTE: I'm not a bloodthirsty whore who kills anything that so much as twitches in the bush. We only kill things that are useful to us in some way. We tend to eat what we kill, unless its a wild pig, which we kill purely because it will try and kill us first even if we don't go near it [any Aussies that have come across these in their hunting trips will understand]. Although that said, we either eat it or feed it to the dogs that helped take it down). So I do like guns, but I appreciate Australia's gun laws. It does give a sense of safety knowing that not everyone walking past you can have a gun.
That's not a stab at the American gun laws either. I don't know jack shit about them to be honest with you. But from what I HAVE seen and read, they are a hell of a lot more lax about them that Australia is. At least that's how it comes across to me. I may be wrong and I apologise if I am. But that's what I think.
I like guns as much as the next person; I love hunting with my family when we visit out in the middle of nowhere on my friends property. (NOTE: I'm not a bloodthirsty whore who kills anything that so much as twitches in the bush. We only kill things that are useful to us in some way. We tend to eat what we kill, unless its a wild pig, which we kill purely because it will try and kill us first even if we don't go near it [any Aussies that have come across these in their hunting trips will understand]. Although that said, we either eat it or feed it to the dogs that helped take it down). So I do like guns, but I appreciate Australia's gun laws. It does give a sense of safety knowing that not everyone walking past you can have a gun.
That's not a stab at the American gun laws either. I don't know jack shit about them to be honest with you. But from what I HAVE seen and read, they are a hell of a lot more lax about them that Australia is. At least that's how it comes across to me. I may be wrong and I apologise if I am. But that's what I think.
So you think that you know the situation in Australia better than someone who lives here?mosinmatt said:
Exactly what I would expect from an arrogant yank. (See? I can do racial slurs too.)
My apologies to the other Americans on this board. I hope I've made it clear on this thread that I'm not telling you how to do things and that I have nothing against Americans. I've had civil exchanges with other American members on this board, I just feel that it's sometimes best to talk to people as they are talking to you.
I in no way intend to offend anyone.
I have a female friend who has something six inches with her at night, but it's not a dagger. 0_0Bolverk said:
Just kidding. I in now way intend to offend anyone. (Maybe that should be in my sig.)
Ok, I've not read the whole thread, but I read the first 2 pages, skimmed and then read the last page.
Firstly, I am a gun owner from the UK. I'm 17 and have held my license for a year now. I own a 12 gauge shotgun (used for clay pigeon shooting), a .22 rifle (used for long range target practice) and a pair of lugers (which I will soon start training with for the double 9mm pistol championship- 2 pistols with 12 shot mags, the winner is the competitor with the shortest spread of shots and shortest time to fire the 24 shots).
All these people protesting that guns are killing machines, no they aren't. The gun is the tool. The mind is the weapon. Without the person behind it, a gun is little more than a lump of metal (and wood if it's a shotty or an older rifle).
"Gun crime would go down if guns were illegal"... No. Very rarely when guns are used in crime are they bought and registered through the proper channels. Usually they are smuggled in from abroad or go "mysteriously missing" from police confiscation areas. You take the guns away from the educated few (I.e. Those like myself who have been trained to use said firearm in a safe manner), suddenly you will give an armed crook an automatic advantage in the event that they DO have a gun.
"Guns raise the stakes of a standoff". Yep, you'd be suprised how fast someone's priorities change when they are looking down a barrel. Yes, you are raising the stakes, but you are also raising the stakes for the intruder. There's a long way between breaking and entering and murder.
Ok, give a little kid or an uneducated person a firearm, they're likely to injure someone. Big woop, give those same people a set of car keys and see how long they last... There was a report on Yahoo! News a little while ago about a 6 year old stealing his mum's car because she refused to give him a lift to school. Just as you don't give driving licenses to idiots, you don't give them a firearm either.
Thing is, we could go at this the other angle... Give EVERYONE a firearm, let people know that everyone is carrying a concealed sidearm... You bet the crime would go down then. Who's gonna try raping someone with the threat of a .44 looming over them? Who's gonna mug that old lady if they know she's gonna blow a hole in them?
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Firstly, I am a gun owner from the UK. I'm 17 and have held my license for a year now. I own a 12 gauge shotgun (used for clay pigeon shooting), a .22 rifle (used for long range target practice) and a pair of lugers (which I will soon start training with for the double 9mm pistol championship- 2 pistols with 12 shot mags, the winner is the competitor with the shortest spread of shots and shortest time to fire the 24 shots).
All these people protesting that guns are killing machines, no they aren't. The gun is the tool. The mind is the weapon. Without the person behind it, a gun is little more than a lump of metal (and wood if it's a shotty or an older rifle).
"Gun crime would go down if guns were illegal"... No. Very rarely when guns are used in crime are they bought and registered through the proper channels. Usually they are smuggled in from abroad or go "mysteriously missing" from police confiscation areas. You take the guns away from the educated few (I.e. Those like myself who have been trained to use said firearm in a safe manner), suddenly you will give an armed crook an automatic advantage in the event that they DO have a gun.
"Guns raise the stakes of a standoff". Yep, you'd be suprised how fast someone's priorities change when they are looking down a barrel. Yes, you are raising the stakes, but you are also raising the stakes for the intruder. There's a long way between breaking and entering and murder.
Ok, give a little kid or an uneducated person a firearm, they're likely to injure someone. Big woop, give those same people a set of car keys and see how long they last... There was a report on Yahoo! News a little while ago about a 6 year old stealing his mum's car because she refused to give him a lift to school. Just as you don't give driving licenses to idiots, you don't give them a firearm either.
Thing is, we could go at this the other angle... Give EVERYONE a firearm, let people know that everyone is carrying a concealed sidearm... You bet the crime would go down then. Who's gonna try raping someone with the threat of a .44 looming over them? Who's gonna mug that old lady if they know she's gonna blow a hole in them?
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no-one
Well, I see no reason to own a gun in the first place, since I don't need one for self-defense if nobody else has one, I'm a pussy who wouldn't be able to shoot to kill anyway, I'm likewise a pussy as regards hunting (even if that were legal, I've no idea what hunting laws are here - no interest).
So I don't particularly wish I had the legal authority to own a gun, no.
So I don't particularly wish I had the legal authority to own a gun, no.
aussie here we can legally own a gun its just difficult you have to be a farmer or a contest shooter no owning a gun for the sake of owning a gun
OK, I'm sure my arguement has already been said but I wholeheartedly agree with the gun ban in this country (UK) and think it should be applied everywhere. I know once a society has guns it's very hard for the law abiding citizen to want to let go of it incase the non-law abiding citizen tries to use theirs against them.
But here's the thing, I agree. It's not the gun that does the crime it's the person. But the gun is what makes killing you so easy. If you clamp down on guns people will go for knives, or daggers or other weapons. But they're all melee weapons. Stand 20 feet from someone with a gun and pointed at your face and you're still dead. Stand 20 feet from someone with a knife pointed at you and you've got enough time to run in the other direction and, thanks to adrenaline, probably survive the ordeal until you can get help. But then... this is just an opinion...
But here's the thing, I agree. It's not the gun that does the crime it's the person. But the gun is what makes killing you so easy. If you clamp down on guns people will go for knives, or daggers or other weapons. But they're all melee weapons. Stand 20 feet from someone with a gun and pointed at your face and you're still dead. Stand 20 feet from someone with a knife pointed at you and you've got enough time to run in the other direction and, thanks to adrenaline, probably survive the ordeal until you can get help. But then... this is just an opinion...