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OT: No, I don't get paid for creative content. I don't necessarily agree with piracy though so hooray for irrelevancy.
To all the people who think piracy is cool, fine, etc do any of you get paid for creative content?
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OT: No, I don't get paid for creative content. I don't necessarily agree with piracy though so hooray for irrelevancy.
People are going to pirate anyway.
What more companies should play into is that fans of something will buy what you give them. Exploit that, give them something special, something they can treasure, collect, whatever.
You can make way more off these fans then you'll ever do off regular players.
It's all about the packaging people.
And yes, I work in a "creative industry" I'm a audio tech at a concert venue, granted that's not something you can pirate, buy if we don't work on the packaging people just won't show up at all.
Also I don't think the escapist rules are very on par with my standpoints on piracy, so let's not go further into that.
What more companies should play into is that fans of something will buy what you give them. Exploit that, give them something special, something they can treasure, collect, whatever.
You can make way more off these fans then you'll ever do off regular players.
It's all about the packaging people.
And yes, I work in a "creative industry" I'm a audio tech at a concert venue, granted that's not something you can pirate, buy if we don't work on the packaging people just won't show up at all.
Also I don't think the escapist rules are very on par with my standpoints on piracy, so let's not go further into that.
I've worked at a game developer and everybody was pirating everything. Because we got paid like shit. If after rent, food and clothing you're left with 100$ a month, you have to prioritize. Becoming an investment banker or insureance broker to make more money wasn't an option, neither was giving up gaming. People could have pooled together, everybody pays 1$, one copy of a game is bought and then played round robin. But nobody wants to wait 4 weeks while the others are getting to play it. So every new game release meant thumb drives going round the office.
But everybody also bought a game occasionally. Something dear to their hearts.
But everybody also bought a game occasionally. Something dear to their hearts.
A few years ago I created the music theory thread which was almost enitrely my creation and I have not seen a single penny from the creation. It has reached over 400,000 views in the years it has been up and I don't believe I should recieve a penny from it.
I don't believe in using information I learned for free from a badly designed education system to be something others should pay for. They could easily learn the information if the topic wasn't so hard to approach without paying for the information. However I am lucky enough to live in a country that allows a student to learn the arts for free.
I do when necessary, as a poor student I can't afford a lot and it is really useful in knowing what is worth the small amount of money I do have. It souns like a lame excuse but whatever I do enjoy I do end up paying. Every game I have ever pirated and liked I have bought, every film I've enjoyed I pay for and this is the same for every piece of media that I use. It is a shitty situation for all parties involved but it won't change until I have a job.
I don't believe in using information I learned for free from a badly designed education system to be something others should pay for. They could easily learn the information if the topic wasn't so hard to approach without paying for the information. However I am lucky enough to live in a country that allows a student to learn the arts for free.
I do when necessary, as a poor student I can't afford a lot and it is really useful in knowing what is worth the small amount of money I do have. It souns like a lame excuse but whatever I do enjoy I do end up paying. Every game I have ever pirated and liked I have bought, every film I've enjoyed I pay for and this is the same for every piece of media that I use. It is a shitty situation for all parties involved but it won't change until I have a job.
to be honest i stopped downloading games after i got steam.
(still download series because they dont air here)
(still download series because they dont air here)
Actually, it is a point. I'm paying for my own course therefore it should be mine and mine only with no exceptions. In any case, it's a fine line and has similarities to copyright issues in commercial industries.DoPo said:That's quite common and they aren't infringing your copyright, rather all work that you produce as part of your course belongs to the university. It's usually something more or less along those lines. But also, ask if you can get sole ownership of your work. I doubt they'll say outright "no", there may be a few extra steps, though.mad825 said:My university is allowed to claim ideas/designs from me without any profit for me
The public educational sector should never have any control over the creative content created by the students.
You are paying but all the work you produce is based (or is presumed to be based) on resources they've given you - lectures, literature, other media, facilities, second and third hand knowledge you get access to, etc. Plus you're still part of the university as you're producing that work. And I assume there are other minor legal hurdles that get eliminated by that, for example marking and keeping the works. They have their reasons, it's not done on a whim.mad825 said:Actually, it is a point. I'm paying for my own course therefore it should be mine and mine only with no exceptions. In any case, it's a fine line and has similarities to copyright issues in commercial industries.DoPo said:That's quite common and they aren't infringing your copyright, rather all work that you produce as part of your course belongs to the university. It's usually something more or less along those lines. But also, ask if you can get sole ownership of your work. I doubt they'll say outright "no", there may be a few extra steps, though.mad825 said:My university is allowed to claim ideas/designs from me without any profit for me
The public educational sector should never have any control over the creative content created by the students.
If you want to change the policy, though, you shouldn't be complaining about it here - you probably have a student council - either join it or raise the issue with them. Last year we did manage to change the policy of my department, which was something like "we get to own your work, unless you explicitly say no". It was a really old thing that was just part of "how things were" when the uni and the department were established - my department was willing in changing it and was actively helpful, but there were still issues and hoops to jump trough and long waiting and levels of administration and bureaucracy to go through.
It's ok as long as you make up for the stuff you enjoy by buying physically or, in the case of music, going to more gigs/buying other merch.
I'm a student. Either way, that's pretty dumb cos not everyone can just "pick a better career".Arsen said:
Yeah, anti-DRM does not mean pro-piracy.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Neil Gaiman, though, is totally pro-piracy, because he believes it increases legitimate sales of his work (word of mouth marketing and all that). But, he's mostly pro-"creator should have control over their work," so you can't pirate, say, Song of Ice and Fire and use, "Gaiman said I could," as an excuse.
What? No. That's like saying I can steal a case of Pepsi if I buy a hotdog from the same place.AnarchistFish said:
Doesn't matter. If you can't afford it, videogames/movies/books/tv shows/other piratable media are not necessary for life; you're not stealing bread to feed your family, here, so, "I can't afford it," is not a valid excuse for piracy.AnarchistFish said:
And how much is the developer getting paid for you buying the game used? About the same as the developer gets when you pirate it. Just because you pay for your game it doesn't change that.dumbseizure said:
I am trying to find a few old games all the time and my best choice is usually to get them from eBay, but I do that because I like having the actual physical copy, not because I have some illusion that the game developer earns a dime from it.
Also how about a game like Pandora's Tower? Released in Europe and Japan so far, but not in USA. There's Tales of Legendia and Arc Rise Fantasia which are both released in USA and not in Europe. If you truly are from Australia you should know all about getting a bad bargain when it comes to releases, usually late, sometimes not at all. With region blocking and firmware updates to block us from using tools to play games from different places they aren't making it easy to get the games we want.
I don't support piracy and especially not for reasons of prices.
What the fuck? That's not at all the same thing. The Pepsi is a finite resource. Digital media isn't. If you stole a CD then yeah, that would be wrong, but you're taking from an infinite resource (i.e. nothing is lost) and then contributing back to it in ways you wouldn't have otherwise.Azuaron said:
You're not gonna buy it anyway, so overall, why not? Might seem clichéd but I really would be lost if I didn't have this to resort too. Would never be able to afford the amount of music I listen to. But I can afford all the music I enjoy, which is why I have a big (and still growing) CD collection.Azuaron said:
I can't really speak about other types of creative work, but music is rife with "pirates". Lars Ulrich spent much of his adolescence "borrowing" other artists' music [http://www.metallica-city.8m.com/larsbio.htm]. I haven't even mentioned the sordid legal history of sampling in hip-hop, industrial, and electronic music.
I'm not saying all musicians are "pirates", and there are many who decry the practice. But working musicians are usually poor, and there's a long history of musicians being screwed out of their earnings by agents, managers, promoters, venue owners, labels, distributors, publishers, governments, and other musicians. This doesn't excuse copyright infringement, but it might explain it.
I'm not saying all musicians are "pirates", and there are many who decry the practice. But working musicians are usually poor, and there's a long history of musicians being screwed out of their earnings by agents, managers, promoters, venue owners, labels, distributors, publishers, governments, and other musicians. This doesn't excuse copyright infringement, but it might explain it.
You see, the thing about piracy is that it doesn't need an excuse. The act of piracy in and of itself harms no-one, so many pirates just go ahead and do it without some special circumstance or reason. "I can't afford it" isn't really a valid excuse for piracy, but "Random internet man doesn't like it" is also not a valid reason to not pirate.Azuaron said:
Basically, telling people they have no excuse to pirate is not going to change any minds, if you want to convince someone not to pirate you'd have to give them an actual reason why they shouldn't.
Actually, I find that whole attitude kind of disgusting anyway. Like poor people don't deserve anything other than food and shelter, because obviously they just don't work as hard as rich people, and don't deserve it.
OT: The only real experience I have with programmers are at university, and the staff there all but out-right state you should pirate software for their courses. They avoid saying the words directly, but it's abundantly clear what they're talking about.
Also, speaking as someone who hopes to be employed as a programmer after my degree, I personally have no problem with people who pirate. They are almost invariably the people who spend the most on games and other media, counter-intuitive though that may seem, so stopping them would help no-one as far as I can tell.
You are awesome.Esotera said:
I always release the stuff I do under a CC license and am happy to share my work with others.
And I think that piracy can be justified:
When it is not possible to get anymore/in your country.
When there is no way to try it out before buying it.
Or if you really are not able to afford it.
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I would be ok with it if people pirated my game because of any of these reasons.
But if you are just pirating because you think it's cool or because you are too lazy to buy it you are just being an ass, especially if you really enjoyed the game.