To all you homophobes: Why?

[Ignignoct]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

No, it's cool bro. I get it. You tolerate gay people as long as they don't chat it up with you, and you think what they do is disgusting. Except for lesbians, because they got super-hot boobies and no dicks.

Normal as could be.

What's with the sarcasm?

Seriously, do i have to find 2 men having sex beautiful to Not be a homophobe??, cause i think its about as unsexy as it can get, but just because i dont get a boner for 2 dudes f*cking each other doesnt make me a homophobe.

Oh, and btw, the whole lesbian complex...that's pretty much the most common male fantasy, so your sarcasm and snidy attempt to make me look like an immature teenager with the whole "super-hot boobies" remark isnt really working.

So would you please atleast try to stop being an arrogant douche and just accept the fact that not all of us want to have a dick up our behind.

I'm going to go ahead and just quote myself from the last page here:

Thank you for agreeing with me.

You thought I was being sarcastic. I wasn't.

You're just spinning yourself in circles. I'd be lying if I said I didn't find it hilarious.

You shoot your counter-arguments towards the West, and I'm still waiting for you in the East =p.

 

[supermaster1337]

how the heck doesnt it? The only explanation that any of these bigots are saying homosexuals are bad because of what the BIBLE says! they are homophobic because they are taught to be. By a RELIGION.

Im not saying its the only reason, but it is a huge, probably the main reason.

 

[ersatzcure]

I am a christian. First I should point out that homophobic means fear of homosexuals, not hatred. And I don't hate them, some of my close friends are gay. I am against gay marriage, I at least think gay couples should be denied the marriage ceremony. And I mentioned this in another thread: Men can't have children, serrogacy does NOT make it possible for them to.
Men and women go together. It's natural, it's intended, and it's instinctive.

Then I suppose I should point out that it actually means 'fear of the same.' Homo means same.

I would like to mention how much this whole thread has mde my day. A great laugh.

Oh you christians, you get me every time...

(excluding the christians who supported gay marrige etc. Way to break the mold

 

[xxcloud417xx]

What disgusts you so much about homosexuality, or gay marriage or even gay rights?

What do you care? Are you gay?

My sexuality is not what matters, I'm simply curious. And what if I said I WAS gay? What if I said I was straight? What if I'm bisexual? How would that affect anything?

Because you're not competent enough to discuss this topic if you don't enjoy being mercilessly pounded in the ass, taking a sticky load in your mouth while you passionately squeeze your partner's balls, rubbing your naked body against his hairy chest, licking his hairy tits, smelling his crotch, etc.

Seriously, you're not competent to have this discussion. As most people here, you're talking about it because its fashionable thing to do right now.

that makes no sense... How can wanting to know how and why a certain group of intolerant people think the way they do be fashionable?

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different...

Funny coming from someone who apparently hates homophobes. =]

Ah, clever, um no.

I hate homophobes because its an opinion and they can stop hating gay people while gay people can't stop being gay, i'll stop hating homophobes as soon as they stop being homophobes but homophobes hate gay people for something which they can't change.


To sum up, homophobes could not be homophobes but gay people can't stop being gay.

But can they? No one really knows for sure. There is no proof that people don't have a choice in their sexuality.

Apart from the fact that your completely full of shit, ill prove you wrong this way


try and get aroused while looking at naked pictures of the same sex, can't do it can you, no.

Gay people would, they can't help it, its just how they are.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

I hate homophobes because its an opinion and they can stop hating gay people while gay people can't stop being gay, i'll stop hating homophobes as soon as they stop being homophobes but homophobes hate gay people for something which they can't change.


To sum up, homophobes could not be homophobes but gay people can't stop being gay.

If it really is a phobia, they can't just "stop hating gay people". It's like a disorder. Most people live with their phobias all their lives, never able to get over them.

And who's to say that gay people are incapable of "stopping being gay"?

Ok 1. If its a real phobia then they would be afraid of gay people, they wouldnt hate them, homophobia is just a fancy word for hating gays.

2. Try and be gay, can you? No you can't, so whos to say gay people can be straight.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.

Maybe bigotry isn't something that someone can just change. It may have to be overcome. And I'm not justifying hatred of someone based on their sexuality, I'm trying to say that hatred of anyone based on anything can be construed as irrational.

Humor me and assume for a second that homophobia is a serious disease. Diseases can't simply be changed by telling someone that they're wrong. You don't just throw a goliath birdeater at an arachnophobe.

I don't think it's right to hate gays, but I also don't find it right to think that people just automatically choose they're prejudices. Many people have a prejudice because of an actual fear or some prior experience. That's not to say that all "-phobes" are like that, though.

Ok, all im gonna say is it is not right, in any way, to have an irrational hatred of gay people based on no prior experience, just because you think gay people are wrong, and i especially have no time for people who say gay people will go to hell.

If someone were to genuinely fear gay people due to prior experience or mental problems then that is more acceptable but they should still seek help.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.

Maybe bigotry isn't something that someone can just change. It may have to be overcome. And I'm not justifying hatred of someone based on their sexuality, I'm trying to say that hatred of anyone based on anything can be construed as irrational.

Humor me and assume for a second that homophobia is a serious disease. Diseases can't simply be changed by telling someone that they're wrong. You don't just throw a goliath birdeater at an arachnophobe.

I don't think it's right to hate gays, but I also don't find it right to think that people just automatically choose they're prejudices. Many people have a prejudice because of an actual fear or some prior experience. That's not to say that all "-phobes" are like that, though.

Ok, all im gonna say is it is not right, in any way, to have an irrational hatred of gay people based on no prior experience, just because you think gay people are wrong, and i especially have no time for people who say gay people will go to hell.

If someone were to genuinely fear gay people due to prior experience or mental problems then that is more acceptable but they should still seek help.

OK, well I'll say one more thing. It seems like we're on the same page for a lot of this except for the treatment of "-phobes" of any kind. I completely agree that people who hate gays for no reason are assholes, but I can't bring myself to believe that all of them hate gays for no reason. They may not even be good reasons, but I'm sure most homophobes do have a reason.

Anyway, that's my peace. I understand that we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but I hope that doesn't translate to any bad relations here on the boards.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.

Maybe bigotry isn't something that someone can just change. It may have to be overcome. And I'm not justifying hatred of someone based on their sexuality, I'm trying to say that hatred of anyone based on anything can be construed as irrational.

Humor me and assume for a second that homophobia is a serious disease. Diseases can't simply be changed by telling someone that they're wrong. You don't just throw a goliath birdeater at an arachnophobe.

I don't think it's right to hate gays, but I also don't find it right to think that people just automatically choose they're prejudices. Many people have a prejudice because of an actual fear or some prior experience. That's not to say that all "-phobes" are like that, though.

Ok, all im gonna say is it is not right, in any way, to have an irrational hatred of gay people based on no prior experience, just because you think gay people are wrong, and i especially have no time for people who say gay people will go to hell.

If someone were to genuinely fear gay people due to prior experience or mental problems then that is more acceptable but they should still seek help.

OK, well I'll say one more thing. It seems like we're on the same page for a lot of this except for the treatment of "-phobes" of any kind. I completely agree that people who hate gays for no reason are assholes, but I can't bring myself to believe that all of them hate gays for no reason. They may not even be good reasons, but I'm sure most homophobes do have a reason.

Anyway, that's my peace. I understand that we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but I hope that doesn't translate to any bad relations here on the boards.

No, i think we have the same opinion across the board here, i just hope your right about most homophobes having a good reason, and i appreciate your good nature about it.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.

Maybe bigotry isn't something that someone can just change. It may have to be overcome. And I'm not justifying hatred of someone based on their sexuality, I'm trying to say that hatred of anyone based on anything can be construed as irrational.

Humor me and assume for a second that homophobia is a serious disease. Diseases can't simply be changed by telling someone that they're wrong. You don't just throw a goliath birdeater at an arachnophobe.

I don't think it's right to hate gays, but I also don't find it right to think that people just automatically choose they're prejudices. Many people have a prejudice because of an actual fear or some prior experience. That's not to say that all "-phobes" are like that, though.

Ok, all im gonna say is it is not right, in any way, to have an irrational hatred of gay people based on no prior experience, just because you think gay people are wrong, and i especially have no time for people who say gay people will go to hell.

If someone were to genuinely fear gay people due to prior experience or mental problems then that is more acceptable but they should still seek help.

OK, well I'll say one more thing. It seems like we're on the same page for a lot of this except for the treatment of "-phobes" of any kind. I completely agree that people who hate gays for no reason are assholes, but I can't bring myself to believe that all of them hate gays for no reason. They may not even be good reasons, but I'm sure most homophobes do have a reason.

Anyway, that's my peace. I understand that we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but I hope that doesn't translate to any bad relations here on the boards.

No, i think we have the same opinion across the board here, i just hope your right about most homophobes having a good reason, and i appreciate your good nature about it.

Likewise.

 

[Sindaine]

Pedophiles are sick perverts who prey onto poor innocent children who aren't old enough to know about sex.

I don't think you have any idea what a pedophile is.

Ok smart boy, enlighten the rest of us why don't you, don't go calling bullshit and then backing off without an explanation.

Seriously tell all of us, because I'm pretty sure 99% of the people on this site agree with my definition.

I can link you to a long argument I had with one such shitbag, who believed, among other things that:

1. Children are inherently sexual beings
2. It's NOT having sex as a child that screws people up
3. It isn't rape if the little kid wants it
4. A 10-year-old can safely carry a baby to term
5. Raped children are only given abortions because, and I shit you not, 'they (The Powers That Be) don't want the baby to live', not because, it's, y'know, life-threatening to the 'mother' who now needs years of therapy because retarded uncle Bob thought raping her was just A-okay.

Urrrrgh. These people make my skin crawl.

 

[Sindaine]

Back on topic, I was thinking about this the other day, and I have a question for the Christians who responded:

Why is it fine for a group of men to rape a woman to death, and then have her be chopped in pieces, but two men having consensual sex is just 'OMG EWWWW!!!!'?

Personally, if I ever found out a man I was dating thought that way, I would never let him near me, my children or my pets.

 

[Chaosut]

I'm personally not homosexual, but I think people are 100% free to choose their own lifestyle. Homophobes are normally either; bullies who are uncomfortable with their own homosexual feelings, strict religious followers (there are many religions that do not have anything against homosexuality, so just saying that all religious people are haters is wrong), people who have been brought up in a homophobic environment or are just all round ignorant.