To all you homophobes: Why?

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Boober the Pig

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A phobia is an irrational fear, usually considered a form of mental illness. Most irrational fear has it's root in ignorance. Using the term homophobe for someone who is not for gay marriage is like like replacing the word "rape" with "make love" in a rape trial. It may be understood to refer to the same thing but there is and extreme difference in the connotation. Controlling the semantics of a debate controls the debate and the fact that gays have successfully labeled anyone who doesn't support them as homophobic helps to sway anyone who chooses a side but is happy to remain ignorant of the actual issues. As for gay marriage, it is a notion that changes the meaning of marriage as a legal entity. If the government allows sexual relationships outside of marriage and paternity is enforced by law, marriage actually serves no purpose, gay or straight. If marriage is just a legal acceptance of a nonexclusive, impermanent coupling what public good does it serve. In terms of court and legal costs for marriage and divorce the amount is astounding. When paternity was guess work virginity and monogamy were important for proving legal liability. Now all of that is too rare to consider and paternity can be proven so why should marriage continue to exist in legal form. Health insurance is another issue but there really is no pandemic of gay couples where one can get insurance while the other cannot. It happens but again it is really to rare to consider a basis for public policy. Please make sure your opinions are informed and well thought out before going on another witch hunt based on popular opinion.
 

cainx10a

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Ignignoct said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.
I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above
 

xXGeckoXx

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Glefistus said:
I'm personally disgusted by anybody who feels love and doesn't recognize it as the result of hormones flooding the brain, and as an outdated mechanism to help our species survive, by having us procreate more. Men/Women who were born gay usually have a brain shaped like the opposite sex, so really their sexuality is far beyond their control, meaning no one who is homophobic should hold their sexuality against them.
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jboking said:
I hate to throw this out there, but a phobia is typically an irrational fear...so your asking someone why they have an irrational fear...do you see the problem there.
This also has a very good point.

I had a few good posts coming there but these two took it all. / thread.
 

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ThaMahstah said:
ShredHead said:
So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different...
Funny coming from someone who apparently hates homophobes. =]

Ah, clever, um no.

I hate homophobes because its an opinion and they can stop hating gay people while gay people can't stop being gay, i'll stop hating homophobes as soon as they stop being homophobes but homophobes hate gay people for something which they can't change.


To sum up, homophobes could not be homophobes but gay people can't stop being gay.
 

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open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
Last time I checked, attraction was completely natural. And being gay isn't about sex. Gay people don't just have sex.

Gay couples are together for the same reasons straight couples are together, and those reasons are completely natural ones. What they do or don't do in the privacy of their own bedrooms doesn't concern anyone but themselves, and certainly doesn't affect you.
 

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Rascarin said:
Drummerstixz said:
Ignignoct said:
Rascarin said:
Homophobia sometimes stems from ones own fear/suspicion of being gay oneself. A repression kinda thing.

I fail at explain (and grammar, probably) :(
Like saying that you hate animals and love steak because secretly you wish to suckle the teat of a cow as its calf and allow wave after milky wave of sexual ecstasy to overflow in your mouth like a fountain of life and nutrition?

Because I totally know what you mean if so.

I...wow...I'm...wow LMAO
Are you laughing at what I said, or what Ignignoct said?

What Ignignoct said, what you said is a good point...and makes sense...lol
 

supermaster1337

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Well .. There was this guy I was talking to at the vessel. A big guy. A guy that used words like "unpossible". Now I shall henceforth refer to him as "The Worlds Most Conservative Person". Not litteraly, of course but you know.

Anyhow. He were saying stuff like "I'm not a racist, I'm a nationalist". Totally. He was talking about how he would never date a black girl. And if he were to marry, a black girl, it would be bringing "unpure blood" into his heir. But fucking them, he had nothing against. He basicly saw them as that. Something to have random sex with. But I digress. This person is one of the people that's pissing me off more than anything in this world. Even more than stupid people. I'll get off the digressing now, though.

The "interesting" thing was that he said it was a "disease". Gay people had a disease. They had to snap out of it (How ... The fuck .. Do you snap out of a disease? I don't know with you guys, but when I have a cold, I'm usually not able to just "snap out of it"), he was talking about shoving spears up their arses. A real moron, to say it in simple terms. He was the type that was against all the kinds of stupid stuff. And he was christian. So that part Supermaster 1337 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.109607.1879409] was right. But here's the reason he told me. Here's why he didn't like them.

He's "alpha male". "Alpha Male". One more time, it just doesn't get stupidier than this. The reason: He's "Alpha Male". And with being alpha male, he was supposed to be the one having sex with the women. He was supposed to objectify them. He was supposed to be the one sex-partner. Now how exactly does this interfere with people being gay? I honeslty don't get it. Wouldn't you want everyone to be gay if you were "alpha male"? Hence getting all the ladies for yourself?
i never thought of that kind of stuff. your right alpha male. Alpha males generally dont believe in that. Which is why im glad to be a Beta male. right. lol
 

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cainx10a said:
Ignignoct said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.
I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above
My thought's exactly. Really why are you labeling these posts? are you putting together a thesis?
 

Ancientgamer

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Ignignoct said:
vivaldiscool said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Varamathras said:
I can change the word homosexual for pedophile and have pretty much the same argument. Since I have a problem with pedophiles, I have a problem with homosexuals.
Pedophiles are sick perverts who prey onto poor innocent children who aren't old enough to know about sex.
I don't think you have any idea what a pedophile is.

Anyway, as a christen I'm against homosexuality, but not homosexuals themselves. I know full well it's beyond their control, (as most informed christens do) and I personally don't think less of them for it. The christen position is actually that homosexuals should practice calibacy. And I don't think less of those who don't, I just go "oh well" and hope they decide to come around.
You're an excellent example of the majority of the voting Americans.

Yeah, they know they're people, but they've got a disorder, and need to snap out of it. The homosexuals, of course, not the christians. You shouldn't validate their disease with rights and protections.

Within the context of Christianity, he's absolutely correct, and actually more merciful than is necessary.
Except I don't think any amount of sanctions will make a homosexual "snap out of it" (Is such a thing possible?) In fact I'm against religion influencing laws, mostly because, even within the context of christianity, accepting god is a personal commitment, and if you make a law that says they can't sin, fine, but they still won't be a christen. They need to change by their own volition and decision. Thus laws serve no purpose other than to breed resentment, and destroy the whole point of free will in the first place.
 

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ShredHead said:
ThaMahstah said:
ShredHead said:
So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different...
Funny coming from someone who apparently hates homophobes. =]

Ah, clever, um no.

I hate homophobes because its an opinion and they can stop hating gay people while gay people can't stop being gay, i'll stop hating homophobes as soon as they stop being homophobes but homophobes hate gay people for something which they can't change.


To sum up, homophobes could not be homophobes but gay people can't stop being gay.
But can they? No one really knows for sure. There is no proof that people don't have a choice in their sexuality.
 

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ShredHead said:
I hate homophobes because its an opinion and they can stop hating gay people while gay people can't stop being gay, i'll stop hating homophobes as soon as they stop being homophobes but homophobes hate gay people for something which they can't change.


To sum up, homophobes could not be homophobes but gay people can't stop being gay.
If it really is a phobia, they can't just "stop hating gay people". It's like a disorder. Most people live with their phobias all their lives, never able to get over them. ;)

And who's to say that gay people are incapable of "stopping being gay"?
 

Ancientgamer

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AverageJoe said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
Last time I checked, attraction was completely natural.
Not to the same sex.

Not that not being natural is really a bad thing, most of the things in the world today are unnatural. But please explain to me, by what leap of logic, even from an atheistic standpoint could homosexuality be considered "natural"
 

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Ajna said:
piers789 said:
cah318ery7 said:
supermaster1337 said:
the homophobes out there are generally christians. I AM NOT TRYING TO OFFEND YOU PEOPLE

but it is generally true. if you ask a hard christian they will say its because god condemns it.
Since a majority of my friends are Christian, I can say both of these things are true. I, on the other hand, am a Christian that supports Gay rights and marriage.
Surely by supporting gay marriage and rights and being christian you are willingly allowing people to go to hell?

Please dont take this the wrong way, I'm not intending to start a flame war here, but if I'm not mistaken, gay people will, from a christian point of view, all be going to hell along with the atheists etc.???
Either the sixth or seventh ring of hell, I forget which, is devoted to several groups, one of which is sodomites. So yes.

Actually, it may have been the 5th ring. Been forever since I read that thing...
Anja, what hell are we going to for being agnostic? lol
 

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cainx10a said:
Ignignoct said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.
I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above
Or a French Obi-Wan Kenobi wielding a lasagna! As played by Sean Connery. With Morgan Webb as Leia! And Matt Damon as Luke! And John Cavil as the villain! And the final scenes of the movie will be Cavil trapped in Centurion armor, in Hell! BEST MOVIE EVAR
 

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supermaster1337 said:
Ajna said:
piers789 said:
cah318ery7 said:
supermaster1337 said:
the homophobes out there are generally christians. I AM NOT TRYING TO OFFEND YOU PEOPLE

but it is generally true. if you ask a hard christian they will say its because god condemns it.
Since a majority of my friends are Christian, I can say both of these things are true. I, on the other hand, am a Christian that supports Gay rights and marriage.
Surely by supporting gay marriage and rights and being christian you are willingly allowing people to go to hell?

Please dont take this the wrong way, I'm not intending to start a flame war here, but if I'm not mistaken, gay people will, from a christian point of view, all be going to hell along with the atheists etc.???
Either the sixth or seventh ring of hell, I forget which, is devoted to several groups, one of which is sodomites. So yes.

Actually, it may have been the 5th ring. Been forever since I read that thing...
Anja, what hell are we going to for being agnostic? lol
Well, I'd assume the same ring as the atheists. Though, God/Allah/Hojo may well make a decision similar to the elves (not the JRR Tolkien ones, the real ones). The elves were angels that refused to take sides when Lucifer rose up against God. God told these angels he would not send them to Hell, as they didn't rise up against him, but they would be cast out of Heaven forever, and could only earn a soul by working towards one (as opposed to having one from birth, as humans do).

I'm thinking God would likely be lenient with agnostics. We weren't trying to convert others to disbelief, we just were saying it seemed unlikely.
 

cainx10a

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The_Oracle said:
cainx10a said:
Ignignoct said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.
I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above
Or a French Obi-Wan Kenobi wielding a lasagna! As played by Sean Connery. And John Cavil as the villain! And the final scenes of the movie will be Cavil trapped in Centurion armor, in Hell! BEST MOVIE EVAR
As long as John doesn't commit suicide again, it sure will be a fun fight. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with him fighting this? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8rAOTSrXA] :)
 

NoNameMcgee

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vivaldiscool said:
Not to the same sex.

Not that not being natural is really a bad thing, most of the things in the world today are unnatural. But please explain to me, by what leap of logic, even from an atheistic standpoint could homosexuality be considered "natural"
Because it's a feeling you naturally have and can't control... Whether you're attracted to men, or women, or both, it's natural nomatter which and nomatter what gender you are. Of course, that isn't a fact, but neither is it a fact that it isn't natural. But if you believe that being straight is natural, then surely you must agree that being gay is natural. They are both feelings of attraction.

Did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? I don't think you did. You can't choose who you're attracted to, no more than you can choose what gender you are from birth, or what you look like. It's a part of you. Therefore, natural.

I never said I was an athiest by the way. :)
 

supermaster1337

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Ajna said:
supermaster1337 said:
Ajna said:
piers789 said:
cah318ery7 said:
supermaster1337 said:
the homophobes out there are generally christians. I AM NOT TRYING TO OFFEND YOU PEOPLE

but it is generally true. if you ask a hard christian they will say its because god condemns it.
Since a majority of my friends are Christian, I can say both of these things are true. I, on the other hand, am a Christian that supports Gay rights and marriage.
Surely by supporting gay marriage and rights and being christian you are willingly allowing people to go to hell?

Please dont take this the wrong way, I'm not intending to start a flame war here, but if I'm not mistaken, gay people will, from a christian point of view, all be going to hell along with the atheists etc.???
Either the sixth or seventh ring of hell, I forget which, is devoted to several groups, one of which is sodomites. So yes.

Actually, it may have been the 5th ring. Been forever since I read that thing...
Anja, what hell are we going to for being agnostic? lol
Well, I'd assume the same ring as the atheists. Though, God/Allah/Hojo may well make a decision similar to the elves (not the JRR Tolkien ones, the real ones). The elves were angels that refused to take sides when Lucifer rose up against God. God told these angels he would not send them to Hell, as they didn't rise up against him, but they would be cast out of Heaven forever, and could only earn a soul by working towards one (as opposed to having one from birth, as humans do).

I'm thinking God would likely be lenient with agnostics. We weren't trying to convert others to disbelief, we just were saying it seemed unlikely.
hmm interesting. but of course that is assuming that christianity is right. lol
 

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Well I dunno, critters in nature don't seem to have a problem with it; maybe by that standpoint?
 

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cainx10a said:
The_Oracle said:
cainx10a said:
Ignignoct said:
open trap said:
its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it
"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.
I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above
Or a French Obi-Wan Kenobi wielding a lasagna! As played by Sean Connery. And John Cavil as the villain! And the final scenes of the movie will be Cavil trapped in Centurion armor, in Hell! BEST MOVIE EVAR
As long as John doesn't commit suicide again, it sure will be a fun fight. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with him fighting this? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8rAOTSrXA] :)
I think this pic put it best-

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