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wulfy42

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Piracy is easy to avoid although not everyone would like the solution.

Just make new games that are released on the PC online only and have part of the program on a separate server (so you can only play it when logged into the server). It would be impossible to pirate because the full program is never released to the public.

As far as piracy itself, I can see how it's hurting the industry but honestly most of the people who pirate games probably could not afford them (or at least that many) anyway. I could pirate games I guess, but it's easier for me to just purchase copies and I'm old enough not to need a game the day it comes out. I wait, see if a game is horrid by it's reviews, and if I hear good things I purchase the game. I often rent PS3/Xbox games at blockbuster before purchasing them (I get a free game rental per month as part of my package which is usually enough along with reviews from this site and gamefaqs etc).

The real problem I see hurting the industry is that when I go into gamestop to buy a game, unless it has JUST been released, they automatically try and sell me a used copy. They are usually only a few dollars less btw...but I'm betting many people just go along with it. I buy new both because I don't want a scratched disk that has been refurbished and because I want to support the original game.

Piracy may be a factor but I think it's a great idea in many ways. Maybe not to the point we have now where people actually get BETTER versions of games (or at least easier to use) but allowing people to try out games before they buy them is a good idea. Releasing Demos would probably drastically cut back on piracy for instance. Combine Demos with having part of the full game playable only online and I bet Piracy would dry up almost completely (At least for games).

I know someone who pirates games and I even talked to them about it a year ago or so (mainly because the creap pirated PVZ and that I think is criminal). He said he paid for the games he really likes but I highly doubt that is true. The guy doesn't pay for anything he doesn't have to and constantly is needing other people to pay for him at movies etc. I think many pirates are probably similar to him so it's not a huge loss to the industry.

The main problem I see is that so many games are being released as crap, the system requirements are wrong, DRM etc makes using the game on multiple computers a pain etc that many legitimate customers who would buy games normally are now turning to piracy. I at least hope that most of them still buy the real version of the game if they like it (but that may be wishful thinking).

I've coded games myself in the distant past (mostly online games back in the MUD days (know there still around but they were the MMO's of the past) but I also coded a bunch of freeware games etc. I certainly don't want the game creators to get ripped off. At the same time it seems like good games (even if I don't like them) like Starcraft II for instance are making plenty of money. If they loose out on a tiny bit because of some pirate does it really matter? They are still making a huge profit. Minecraft has made a ton of money and it's only in Alpha. I pre-ordered Fallout NV and so did tons of other people from what I saw. Big games are still doing just fine. So who is piracy really hurting then? Companies that make crappy games. If a company makes a horrid game then everyone pirates it, determines it sucks and never buys it so they end up not making much of a profit.

If that is the only people that get hurt then I applaud pirates. I don't see piracy hurting the big game companies at all so far. Many new games have been released and done just fine even with pirated copies available (Torchlight for instance). Piracy if anything probably helped spread the word about good new games and caused more people to purchase it. I mentioned plants vs zombies before. I love that game. I hate that anyone pirates it (because it's a smallish company and the people who created it (especially the girl who wrote/played the song) are so cool/happy). At the same time they have made a ton of money, expanded to many consoles and done just fine. Piracy has not hurt PvZ at all, but probably helped it. So much for piracy being bad.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
How about this?

I buy a retail game in, say, 2000 for example. I play the game a fair bit, then lose the CD/DVD that it requires to play. I pirate a no-CD/DVD version of the game in about 2002 or so, and continue playing from there.

Tell me what's wrong with that, won't you?
I'd say that's fine. I have the original cartridge for Super Smash TV on SNES but it's stopped working (It was released in 1993 I believe). It doesn't exactly keep me awake at night knowing I own a downloaded .rom of the game, put it that way. The studio that made the game, Acclaim, has since gone bust anyway.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
How about this?

I buy a retail game in, say, 2000 for example. I play the game a fair bit, then lose the CD/DVD that it requires to play. I pirate a no-CD/DVD version of the game in about 2002 or so, and continue playing from there.

Tell me what's wrong with that, won't you?
Nothing's wrong with that. That's not pirating. That is regaining a game you purchased. You deserve the game, and should not be punished for simply losing it. Even so, pirating is not evil. It's inconsiderate. The article never once attacks people for pirating. The author even admits to doing it himself.
 

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I think the whole piracy debate has gotten out of hand. Publishers just need to say, "ok pirates do w/e you want." and take care of their paying customers. I think demos will help a lot for this. I was going to pirate a game before I found out that, much to my surprise, it actually had a demo out. Bought the game my next paycheck.

I'll admit "I just want to try it" isn't a very good argument for piracy since once they have it a lot of people will just say "well I have it so I'm not gonna buy it now", even if they downloaded it with the try before buy intent.

I don't feel I quite take a side in the argument. I equally buy and pirate games, it mostly depends on the developer and game.

I suppose I would say go piracy ! If it meant more developers would get on the steam wagon. Ah steam, so fucking wonderful you can hardly tell it's DRM.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
Mcface said:
bob1052 said:
Mcface said:
icame said:
I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html
I started pirating when PC game quality went down. I will no longer buy PC games at full price, simply because they are rushed out, rarely supported after launch, or just awful ports.
If they are so bad, don't play them. Don't deny companies money and then cry like a little ***** when they don't have enough money to make quality products.
Yes it's ok for them to ship broken and terrible products and steal my money, but im not allowed to do anything back? screw that. I've wasted so much money on shitty PC games i dont give a fuck if some faceless millionaire studio cant afford to make their next shit-tastic DLC.

Metro 2033, unplayable for the first 2 months
Empire Total war
Alpha Protocol
Gothic 4

Then assholes behind Kane and Lynch "Oh I know, lets charge 50 dollars for 4 hours of mediocre gameplay"

I know some suckers who will keep throwing money at it, but I ain't one of them.
Why are you spending money on the games that are crappy then? Why not wait a week after the launch and read reviews? Watch gameplay videos, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE BUYING! Ever heard of the phrase "Consumer beware?" it's your money, so use it on the quality games you're interested in. Don't dive head first into a game on launch day, that's the fastest way to lose out.

Don't blame developers for your carelessness with money, those mutlimillion dollar publishers don't even see most of the $60 dollars they charge.
Reviews dont focus on technical issues. There is virtually no way to tell if a game is even going to run on your machine before you buy it. You can meet all the specs and then some, and still have the game run like shit, as was the case with Metro 2033. There hasn't been a PC game in 2010 that has worked hands down perfectly the way it should. I am no longer going to pay full price to beta test a game.

And look at the settlers 7. You have to be online at all times just to play it. Guess what? You don't with the pirate version, you can play it online or offline.
 

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I know a lot of people who don't pirate because of:

-DRM
-Lack of money
-Free stuff

They all pirate because they want to try out the game, they actually end up buying the game after they buy it. They feel that the demo is not adequate enough. Weird huh? I guess that's the way some pirates work. You cannot assume all pirates work as stated in the three points above.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
How about this?

I buy a retail game in, say, 2000 for example. I play the game a fair bit, then lose the CD/DVD that it requires to play. I pirate a no-CD/DVD version of the game in about 2002 or so, and continue playing from there.

Tell me what's wrong with that, won't you?
Technically there is no loss for you downloading it, but by having it available for you to download, people will pirate it who never payed for it in the first place. It's like a store handing out free replacements, but not checking who needed the replacement in the first place. Just don't lose the game and you'll be fine.
 

Mcface

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SirBryghtside said:
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OK. I'm going to pull out my ultimate argument against pirates now.

If you are pro-piracy, I implore you to quote me and answer this question.

-I have no XBox or good PC.
-I'm not going to buy a PS3 in the forseeable future, due to lack of money.

So, my question is this - why shouldn't I steal a PS3? What is the difference between that and piracy?
The PS3 is a physical product with finite supply. Software is digital and when downloaded, is in infinite supply.
Fine. Now pray tell - how does that make piracy more 'right'?
You know what you are getting when you buy a PS3. If it's broken, you return it for a refund. With games you buy it, if it's broken or unsupported, tough shit, thanks for the cash, nice knowing you. For a fix of the problems, just buy our new DLC!
 

Mcface

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Twilight_guy said:
You see now your trying to convince pirates and the thing is pirates all have very nice and tidy excuses for why they are all miserable little entitled pricks. Either their assholes in which case you're never going to convince them or they have some flimsy excuse. No, you are not entitled to play a game because it exits or dictate what the game should be or how much it should cost. You will pay the price tag or not pay at all and you will deal with what content is there no matter how unfair it is or not buy it. This is not a democracy this is economics. Enjoy the game and pay for it or don't buy it, don't be a stealing douche and for the love of Jesus don't say "its okay because games are expensive and don't have enough stuff in them. LOLOLOLOL" because that just makes you sound like a idiot black hole.
Just remember the next time you blow half your paycheck on a shitty game, and are upset, I'll be laughing at how bad the game is. for free ;)
 

shadowknight809

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I love how the gaming industry is going down the same road as anime. "Pirates are ruining the industry because every little person doesn't buy our crap." It is often times over priced and not worth the money in quality. I don't believe in the idea that "You can't afford it? Well don't play it." Not everyone has tons of money to waste on every flop, and sometimes they don't have any money to spend at all. I don't think those people should give up on a hobby that they love because of something like that. But I guess everyone just wants money nowadays.

Also there's a nifty picture that shows why piracy isn't stealing.
 

maddawg IAJI

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Mcface said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Mcface said:
bob1052 said:
Mcface said:
icame said:
I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html
I started pirating when PC game quality went down. I will no longer buy PC games at full price, simply because they are rushed out, rarely supported after launch, or just awful ports.
If they are so bad, don't play them. Don't deny companies money and then cry like a little ***** when they don't have enough money to make quality products.
Yes it's ok for them to ship broken and terrible products and steal my money, but im not allowed to do anything back? screw that. I've wasted so much money on shitty PC games i dont give a fuck if some faceless millionaire studio cant afford to make their next shit-tastic DLC.

Metro 2033, unplayable for the first 2 months
Empire Total war
Alpha Protocol
Gothic 4

Then assholes behind Kane and Lynch "Oh I know, lets charge 50 dollars for 4 hours of mediocre gameplay"

I know some suckers who will keep throwing money at it, but I ain't one of them.
Why are you spending money on the games that are crappy then? Why not wait a week after the launch and read reviews? Watch gameplay videos, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE BUYING! Ever heard of the phrase "Consumer beware?" it's your money, so use it on the quality games you're interested in. Don't dive head first into a game on launch day, that's the fastest way to lose out.

Don't blame developers for your carelessness with money, those mutlimillion dollar publishers don't even see most of the $60 dollars they charge.
Reviews dont focus on technical issues. There is virtually no way to tell if a game is even going to run on your machine before you buy it. You can meet all the specs and then some, and still have the game run like shit, as was the case with Metro 2033. There hasn't been a PC game in 2010 that has worked hands down perfectly the way it should. I am no longer going to pay full price to beta test a game.

And look at the settlers 7. You have to be online at all times just to play it. Guess what? You don't with the pirate version, you can play it online or offline.
Once again, all this stuff can be solved by doing a bit of research. I haven't played New Vegas yet, but in five minutes on google, I can find the Specs, the major bugs, what players think of it, common complaints, and the recent patch notes. We live in an age where you can get information in an instant, a week at the most, and you could have learned the common problems that occur in Metro 2033. Once again, it's your own fault for wasting money.

As for Settlers 7...really? That's your only excuse for buying it, so you can play it offline? If you're on a desktop, why would it not be hooked up to the internet? If you have a laptop, guess what, most Cafes, train stations, airports, hotels and libraries offer free Wi-Fi. The only time you could be without internet is after a recent move (Which is usually back up and running in a couple days), in a car (and that is now changing as well, with newer cars actually having Wi-Fi ) or if it has been turned off (In which case, you should be spending your time finding a second job over gaming)
 

maddawg IAJI

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shadowknight809 said:
I love how the gaming industry is going down the same road as anime. "Pirates are ruining the industry because every little person doesn't buy our crap." It is often times over priced and not worth the money in quality. I don't believe in the idea that "You can't afford it? Well don't play it." Not everyone has tons of money to waste on every flop, and sometimes they don't have any money to spend at all. I don't think those people should give up on a hobby that they love because of something like that. But I guess everyone just wants money nowadays.

Also there's a nifty picture that shows why piracy isn't stealing.
As I have said before already, if you waste money on a crappy thing because you didn't do your research, then its your own fault. Not the developer. Launch day isn't the only time to buy it. Do some research on the product you're gonna buy and see if it is worth it, if it isn't, then don't buy it. If you rush in and bought and then hate it, then you're the one to blame here.
 

RadicalDreamer90

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My major gripe with piracy and developers is that they don't take much incentive to actually stop piracy. The first company I saw, make major strides to stop piracy was Blizzard with how they launched StarCraft 2. They make it so you NEED an account to play, you must be online, and they got rid of lan for people who pirated it anyway. Those three things made pirating the game, half as effective.

If companies spent time bumping up security instead of preaching a good faith advisement to the general public, I'm sure you'd get better results. When I can go on youtube, type in your game, and download it free of charge from regularly run videos 2 pages long, then Yes, I think YOU as developers have a problem.

When thieves stole from banks, they didn't go out and preach how stealing was wrong, they bumped up security and they made it harder and more arduous to steal from them in the first place. You'll never abolish piracy, but alot of common people profit from thieves when they exploit the product and make it easy for them to obtain too.

All I'm saying is that letting people know the effects of piracy will have an effect on those who are iffy about the whole venture, but for those already locked in there ways, your not swaying them in any shape or form. Going into the Designing field myself, I do have understand grievances, but bitching about it hardly solves the issue. Publishers are slowly moving to download only games, so they can knock out Gamestop and other companies as middlemen, so there next step should be to strengthen security with there games as a whole.
 

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Damn you science!! Damn you!! Your technological advancement has ruined our srs bsns!!

DAMN YYOOUUUUUU SCIEEENCCCCCCCE!!!!
 

GrimHeaper

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So would it be considered a crime to you if someone pirated old ps1 games or old NES or SNES games?