To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

[Onyx Oblivion]

I am now going to dedicate my entire lack of a life to hacking XBL.

 

[RoBi3.0]

And yes Sony didn't show put to the hearing. I don't know why. I personally would love to know why this happened and eventually all this will come to light. Until then I am not going to go around touting hearsay as fact.

Well if you had paid closer attention to the story you'd have noticed that the "numerous weaknesses in Sony's system" that Dr Spafford claimed were evident and are separate from the claims of Sony employees. So as a matter of public record, the case for criminal negligence is still wide open, and the shoddy nature of how they were run readily apparent. As for those Sony employees between professional survival and non disclosure agreements it seems entirely unlikely they will step forward. however I doubt the man who wrote the oldest journal in the field of information security is going to readily go "hay I read that some people that worked for Sony said the system was out dated." It's safe to assume that he knows a thing or two about what he's talking about and these reports had some credibility. Your refusal to accept this probably has less to do with procedural integrity and more to do with misguided allegiances.

Look here is a quote from his written testimony

"I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some
news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date, and had
been warned about that risk."

Tell me how that equates to; Hey it is a fact that Sony was using outdated software and no firewall. Hell he even admits that he has no information about Sony's systems.

And as for last last remark I have been playing the hell out of the Gears of War Beta and CoD:blackops on xbox live lately and in fact spend the majority of my gaming time playing WoW or DDO. So if this was a thread about how Blizzard or Turbine got hacked then you may have a point.

 

[Frankster]

Not to be insensitive but, do you think thats what God thought about the Titanic when we called it the unsinkable ship?

Haha i doubt s/he/it (im agnostic so open minded towards god stuff xD) truly cared that much about the rantings of mortals, but must have found the situation ironic for sure.

 

[Ghengis John]

Look here is a quote from his written testimony

"I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some
news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date, and had
been warned about that risk."

Tell me how that equates to; Hey it is a fact that Sony was using outdated software and no firewall. Hell he even admits that he has no information about Sony's systems.

It doesn't. But there's no mention of internet forums, apache servers or firewalls here and all press reports mention these things so surely we're missing something in the written testimony. The options are there's a follow-up to this testimony or a vast conspiracy. Meanwhile this line from the same testimony is pretty damning:

My personal conclusion from reviews of reports in the press and discussions at professional meetings is that operators of these systems continue to run outmoded, flawed software, fail tofollow some basic good practices of security and privacy, and often have insufficient training or support.

And as for last last remark I have been playing the hell out of the Gears of War Beta and CoD:blackops on xbox live lately and in fact spend the majority of my gaming time playing WoW or DDO. So if this was a thread about how Blizzard or Turbine got hacked then you may have a point.

My sincerest apologies sir. *tip of the hat*

 

[Christian Lerche]

This is how I see it. When you put your credit card and personal information on a GAME console, you're asking for it. If you want it protected, don't buy from the internet, connect using dummy accounts, and buy pre paid cards. Infrastructure is ALWAYS flawed. There is no safe guards once you put out your personal info on the net, the threat of identity theft is there as soon you have an IP adress, personal emailaccount that both covers facebook, youtube, psn xbox live AND you legal purchases of stuff. That's basic internet security 101.

 

[Pyro Paul]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

Xbox LIVE has already been hacked having account information stolen

http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Xbox_Live_hacked_accounts_stolen/

The big diffrence?

Microsoft doesn't care about you.
Just because your idenity might be stolen and CCN sold on the internet is no reason for Microsoft to stop its LIVE service to better protect you! They have money to make, and obviously you don't have any more money because it was stolen!

 

[Sion_Barzahd]

I was actually a helluva lot surprised by how little security Sony apparently had on those files. Its almost like they were giving them away.
I can at least hope that Microsoft will have better security in place. Though just because Bill Gates has a lot of money doesn't exactly mean that they will do.
I mean i lock my door every night but my rich friend at the other end of town usually doesn't bother. Money isn't equal to security.

At the very least though, i reckon Microsoft are going to be adding a bit of additional security now, after seeing Sony's disaster. At least if i was in charge of it i would be. Nothing screams wake up call like seeing your biggest rival go through a huge disaster like this.

 

[Yeager942]

 

[SlasherX]

The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Sony is worth 20 billion dollars more than Microsoft. Sony is currently less profitable however.

Let me stop you right there there.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE Sony: 28.19 billion

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT Microsoft: 218.16 billion

Wow, stocks, those are complicated right?

 

[SlasherX]

tl;dr Live wont be hacked.

Once [http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/17086/xbox-live-policy-directors-account-hacked/]
Twice [http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Xbox_Live_hacked_accounts_stolen/]

Just two examples thanks to Google. It's a simple fact there: nothing is 100% hack proof. Even precious Xbox Live with its gold plated servers.

I continue to see people say this. THESE ARE A FEW ACCOUNTS THAT WERE HACKED. Probably Brute force hacked. All you need is to know an an email and password that is it. It's not even that difficult I know a few people who can do it. Sony had everything stolen, all the data everything. Now lets me say this


A few accounts on Xbox =/= All of PSN

These Sony fanboys

 

[SlasherX]

I was actually a helluva lot surprised by how little security Sony apparently had on those files. Its almost like they were giving them away.
I can at least hope that Microsoft will have better security in place. Though just because Bill Gates has a lot of money doesn't exactly mean that they will do.
I mean i lock my door every night but my rich friend at the other end of town usually doesn't bother. Money isn't equal to security.

At the very least though, i reckon Microsoft are going to be adding a bit of additional security now, after seeing Sony's disaster. At least if i was in charge of it i would be. Nothing screams wake up call like seeing your biggest rival go through a huge disaster like this.

No one else will read this but I said Bill Gates to highlight the fact that Microsoft has a decent amount of money, not to show any other kind of thing just to highlight a point.

 

[Twilight_guy]

This is the Internet. Anything can be hacked. Nothing is impregnable. Microsoft is notorious for its holes so why do think that live is so impenetrable?

 

[theultimateend]

Anything can be hacked.

How dare you bring reality into this discussion! Live is invulnerable to all mortal forms of cyber crime!

I guess I should note since people are slinging insults that I own both consoles. Just the idea that anything is hack proof or "too rich to fail" is just a bit obnoxious.

 

[razer17]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Yes, of course. Hackers will try hacking everthing - The Pentagon, CIA, FBI etc. but they won't try to touch Microsoft because they're rich? Errrm yeah, sure.

Plus, nothing is hackproof. A while back they said that quantum networks were unhackable, except they weren't and they found a way to hack them.

Edit - Oh, and in before "Lolz Sony fanboy!" I only have a 360, and I am a paying Live subscriber.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Just a gentle reminder. As a person who abhors marketing in general, I rather love these guys (more so the writers).

Though, that advertising about the annoyance of Vista constantly asking to confirm things is false.

Yes it does ask for some things but it has never asked me for everything. From experience I would say that Mac's OS is worse.

A couple years ago I had the unfortunate chore of helping my friend's sister install software onto her new Mac laptop. She bought it new, but for some stupid reason it didn't come with the word-processing software preloaded on the thing, it just came with it on a disc. She wanted help because she wasn't well versed in how to do even the simplest of things like install software. The reason my friend didn't help her was that he said, "With how messed up Macs are, I'm liable to throw it out the window with how bad they are."

After my experience, I would agree. I put in the disc for the word-processing software, and it to three confirmations before it even started to install it(Do you want to install this software? Are you sure you want to install this software? It is installing this software, do you want to let it continue?). It might not have been those exact words but that was what it was doing. It did that for all the stuff we put on it that day. I would add that that machine was constructed stupidly too. When one constructs/designs a laptop, the ejection button should for the disc drive should be place right next to where the disc comes out. It wasn't labeled either. I sat their pressing buttons to find out which one did it, and of course the last one I chose did it, because I wasn't expecting it to be all the way on the opposite side away from where the disc comes out.

It also asked an are you sure question when we tried to open the word-processing program to see if it worked. So that makes 4 times it asked for confirmation. And as I said, it did that for all the programs we installed, 4 times.

With my Vista, it asks once for install and around only half the time for opening programs.

So yeah, that Mac advertising is false.

After all that, I told my friend's sister that she should go to a more upstanding college. The only reason she had to get a Mac was because the whole campus was stupidly going entirely to an all Mac campus, so if she wanted to do any work not on her computer, she would be using a Mac, and would have to have a Mac if she wanted to easily transfer documents with and problems or hassle.

From now on, if somebody asks me to work on or help them out with a Mac, I will decline and tell them to do themselves a favor and take it back to the store, and not to bring it to me, because I will throw it out a window. They are just an expensive paper weight, that one that my friend's sister had, didn't last more than a year before it totally broke down and had to spend almost as much money to fix it as it would cost to just a buy a new and durable PC laptop. Macs are shit.

 

[RanD00M]

No need to take offense and come off as a jerk =/
I really don't see why The Escapist fancies itself as being the maturest place on the Internet.

So correcting and pointing out flaws and errors in a text is being a jerk? I didn't take any real offense to this, I honestly don't care. I was more making a future reference to OP than taking offence and trying to protect/debase someone.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

Congrats OP, not one of your arguments did not contain a logical fallacy!

love you sarcasm, and besides that, he pretty much just bent over and said "put me on probation.... and be sure to spank me while you're at it"

there's no way that none of that basically boils down to "XBOX IS DE BETTERZ!!!!" and trolling is totally against the rules, right?