To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

[FalloutJack]

Point Of Order: Microsoft software is among the most-commonplace of software in the world, having been a successful conglomerate around the world. That said, it means that grand total of viruses, hacks, and other unwanted actions ON its material is greater than most others.

The more common a piece of software is, the more likely there is a multitude of hacker acts unleashed upon it than others. Ergo, Microsoft might have the most and Apple the next-most, also for being successful, or that order is reversed. Regardless of which is on top, it's a fact that Microsoft is ALL OVER THE PLACE.

What am I getting at? Just this... To say that the X-Box servers, the support sites, and all other X-Box related things are somehow more immune than another company (such as Sony) is incorrect. Microsoft computer software, overall, is one big scratching post to hackers. What fun! What an envigorating feeling!

Now, you can say "Well, Microsoft has more resources and more complex security.". Well, I don't know. An expert at computer security, I am not. My strength is in pattern recognition. And what this pattern tells me is something like this...

{1} Regardless of what anyone's saying, we know Sony is no slouch, because this NEVER happened before. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that the hacker involvement is also without slouching. They (or the singular one, if it's only one) happen to be really good.

{2} Microsoft is also not lacking in posture. They're a computer company. However, as a computer company, you have to admit that their track record is not perfect. The software is not always good out of the box. Holes could be found, loopholes could be made.

{3} People who don't believe that anything bad can ever befall them have been proven wrong before. It's because they ignore the possibility that they're victimized. There is a reasonable chance here that X-Box central could be hit, growing rapidly because of people who insist on going "Nuh-uh!".

 

[SlasherX]

The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Sony is worth 20 billion dollars more than Microsoft. Sony is currently less profitable however.

Let me stop you right there there.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE Sony: 28.19 billion

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT Microsoft: 218.16 billion

Wow, stocks, those are complicated right?

I followed your links, disregarding that the NYSE does not = the NASDAQ, and noticed three things right off the bat: they only cover the past 3 days (which include the weekend), 218.16 billion was not mentioned anywhere in either link, and Sony's stocks are worth roughly $3 more than Microsoft stocks. Am I missing something, or did you rush your homework?

Look at the market cap, but whatever the thread has died and I got a little more bored.

 

[funguy2121]

The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Sony is worth 20 billion dollars more than Microsoft. Sony is currently less profitable however.

Let me stop you right there there.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE Sony: 28.19 billion

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT Microsoft: 218.16 billion

Wow, stocks, those are complicated right?

I followed your links, disregarding that the NYSE does not = the NASDAQ, and noticed three things right off the bat: they only cover the past 3 days (which include the weekend), 218.16 billion was not mentioned anywhere in either link, and Sony's stocks are worth roughly $3 more than Microsoft stocks. Am I missing something, or did you rush your homework?

Look at the market cap, but whatever the thread has died and I got a little more bored.

I see, so the stock price times outstanding shares for the past 3 days is higher for Micro than for Sony? This doesn't mean that Microsoft has more money or resources to spend. Are we also to presume that Sony's stocks haven't been affected by the hack?


Oh, I see. You stopped yourself right there as well
Where are the numbers that say what these 2 companies do regarding internet security?

 

[KeyMaster45]

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

And you get that idea from? I don't know where you were when the PS3 was still in the shitter but it was pretty much the laughing stock around here; still is. There are fanboys from both sides here and depending on the tone of your thread will depend on which set you attract or if you attract any at all. Actually what a thread like yours will attract are the people on the site who like to play devil's advocate and tear apart poorly constructed arguments based on speculation and faulty logic.

So yeah, don't go throwing us all under one blanket; we have an even distribution of fanboys here and they rear their heads based upon the topic at hand.

 

[RicoADF]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.


Edit:

For those saying Sony is worth some 129 billion.

This is the American stock market but still MS is worth more than you guys are claiming.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE Sony: 28.19 billion

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT Microsoft: 218.16 billion

To those talking about the few accounts that are hacked like the security team guy.
I continue to see people say this. THESE ARE A FEW ACCOUNTS THAT WERE HACKED. Probably Brute force hacked. All you need is to know an an email and password that is it. It's not even that difficult I know a few people who can do it. All you have to do is recover the account and thats what they did didnt do much else. Sony had everything stolen, all the data everything. Now lets me say this

A few accounts on Xbox =/= All of PSN

And the Bill Gates thing
No one else will read this but I said Bill Gates to highlight the fact that Microsoft has a decent amount of money, not to show any other kind of thing just to highlight a point.

EDIT 2: I never said it was impossible to hack. Look I never said it. reread it now I'm waiting. Done? I said it wont happen. WONT NOT CANT WONT. That is what I said. And it probably won't, it is more secure than PSN and would be harder to hack.

This is nothing more than trying to start a flame war. However fact is it could happen weather you like it or not, either accept that buying things online on ANY platform exposes you to the risk of intentity theft or else get off the net as no system is perfectly secure.

 

[Grabbin Keelz]

Hacking Live network would definitely be much more difficult and riskier than PSN, but it's still possible. How do I know? Because anything is possible.

 

[Moriarty]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN.

no.

Sony is actually "bigger" than Microsoft, not the other way around.

According to Wikipedia:

Sony: Total assets ¥11.22 trillion / $137.694 billion (2010)
Microsoft: Total assets US$ 86.113 billion (2010)

ur going to use the site that is credited for being one of the least correct sites on the internet as your source? using wikipedia seriously hurts your case

well if you'd be serious about this, you could just look at the wikipedia sources yourself and notice they linked the actual fiscal reports of microsoft and sony.

But unfortunately it's obvious you're only trolling.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

I can personally attest that my credit card information was stolen by an identity theif when I used it to open a Live account. It may not be 25 million people, but there are definately people who hack credit card numbers through Xbox Live.

I don't mean to call you out here, but do you have solid evidence to show that it was stolen as a result of signing up for Live? People become victims of identity theft all the time, and statistically it's highly probable that there are people out there who were victimized right around the same time as they signed up for live. That is to say that correlation does not show causation.

Did you perform a legitimate investigation which showed that your card information was stolen through XBL? Or is it just the case that it was stolen in a time which incidentally happened to be close to when you signed up for Live and you assumed it was stolen through XBL?

I don't mean to say that it couldn't happen, just that it seems more likely to me that it was some vulnerability in your own network, or that you got victimized through some other source. I would think that if you had actually had your information stolen through XBL there would be more people who had their information stolen in the same way, and it would be a bigger story.

The other way to phrase that question is "why would hackers only target you if they had the capability to hack anyone through XBL?"

It was the first online service I had signed my card up for and the hacker's withdrawals used Microsoft's name as a cover to withdraw the funds. Microsoft also took an interest in the case and covered my damages, so they had something to do with it.

 

[JET1971]

(2) Have you ever heard of Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Windows Vista? Apple may not have the moolah that Micro has, but Mac owners don't have the spyware, malware and virus concerns that every other computer-owning person has. Because it's better software.

I just want to point out that this is actualy a croc of bs. check CanSacWest security conferance notes of the past. Linux, Mac, and Windows hack contest. guess wich dropped first.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/vista-breached-linux-remains-unbeaten-in-hacking-contest-752

Its also well know in the security industry that Mac is equaly vulnerable to malware and viruses as is windows. the differance is there is less of them floating around because Mac is less popular, and windows computers can be bought at wallymart for a few hundred dollars by grandma withoutaclue.. as in lotsa ignorant customers who have no idea about security... you know the people that fall for the nigerian millions scam thats a running joke to us with more than half a clue.

So lets see equaly vulnerable... 1 has more targets, is more accessable as in meaning any idiot can get one easy, 1 has more idiots using, what OS is your malware and virus getting written for?

sorry just wanted to point out the fact that what you stated is provided by apple fanboy propaganda in the ever so fun MS V mac forum wars and you seem inteligent so i thought you may not want to promote BS.

OT.

I doubt MS will ever get into the same mess Sony did, hacked? yeah they will be hacked again and again... they have allot of hate against them and know it. the difference is how much MS is willing to pay into monitoring its networks and how many servers handle different functions and access from 1 server from another gets dealt with for security. I am sure they are looking for unusual activity considerably more than sitting in the server farm playing solitaire and checking logs every so often... and checking as in quick browse.

last few hacks for MS they caught/stopped within several hours and patched the hole within days, and they didnt lose any sensitive info at all. a few hours isnt enough time to really get far into a server farm unless its unsecured once you get in. secured would be no server has access to another servers OS or database, so to browse around another server looking for goodies you will need to hack it as well. compound that by 10-15 servers... thats a time sink. longer you are in the greater the chance of detection.

 

[Shirokurou]

To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

I'm happy for you and I letcha finish, but...XBL is still pay-to-play online, unlike PSN...
So to me your arguments while fascinating are deeply inconsequential.

 

[Smooth Operator]

So you have absolutely no technical expertise on the subject, just talking out of your ass to get a flamewar started?
Every system can be breached, the only question is if doing so is worth enough to anyone.

Sony's system was simple enough to breach and steal from remotely and that brilliant security measures of not encrypting data turned into the optimal pay day.

 

[Zipa]

Obvious troll is obvious, don't feed it guys.

 

[Woodsey]

I do love seeing people talk out of their arse and then trying to do it with authority.

And it being MS has nothing to do with it. People have hacked into the US government's networks just because they can.

Also, as soon as you say "I know this site has many PS3 fanboys", you're basically labelling yourself a fanboy.

 

[RA92]

(2) Have you ever heard of Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Windows Vista? Apple may not have the moolah that Micro has, but Mac owners don't have the spyware, malware and virus concerns that every other computer-owning person has. Because it's better software.

I just want to point out that this is actualy a croc of bs. check CanSacWest security conferance notes of the past. Linux, Mac, and Windows hack contest. guess wich dropped first.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/vista-breached-linux-remains-unbeaten-in-hacking-contest-752

I'd like to add a bit to JET1971's post. Quoting myself...

Macs have no virus? Bullshit. Hell, Win7 is <url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10444561-245.html>more heavily secured than Macs.



Macs are safer only because of a small market share and thus lower chances of malware directed at them. But at the end of the day, Win7 is more secure... Excerpts from the article:



Halvar Flake, head of research and CEO of Zynamics: "General state of affairs: Vista/Win7 has more extensive countermeasures against attacks and a codebase with presumably fewer security issues.

Rich Mogull, CEO, Securosis: Microsoft has done more in terms of its inherent security features than Apple has in the operating system.

Charlie Miller, a principal analyst at consultancy Independent Security Evaluators: Technologically speaking, PCs are a little more secure than Macs. Macs have a larger attack surface out of the box (Flash, Java, support for a million file formats, etc.) and lack some anti-exploitation technologies found in PCs like full ASLR [Address Space Layout Randomization]. This means Macs have more vulnerabilities and it's easier to turn a vulnerability into an exploit on the platform.

Tyler Reguly, senior security research engineer, nCircle: If you believe the hype and the flashy commercials the answer would be Mac. But if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them then the PC wins hands down. If you compare Windows 7 to Snow Leopard, then the simple winner is Windows 7. Microsoft brought in teams of security professionals to look at their code and find problems leading to a more secure product while Apple is often criticized for ignoring issues.

Saying that, the OP is obviously a clueless XBox fanboy.

 

[Doclector]

I wouldn't be so sure.

It'd be a hell of alot harder, but it can be hacked, definately, anything can.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Look here is a quote from his written testimony

"I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some
news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date, and had
been warned about that risk."

Tell me how that equates to; Hey it is a fact that Sony was using outdated software and no firewall. Hell he even admits that he has no information about Sony's systems.

It doesn't. But there's no mention of internet forums, apache servers or firewalls here and all press reports mention these things so surely we're missing something in the written testimony. The options are there's a follow-up to this testimony or a vast conspiracy. Meanwhile this line from the same testimony is pretty damning:

My personal conclusion from reviews of reports in the press and discussions at professional meetings is that operators of these systems continue to run outmoded, flawed software, fail tofollow some basic good practices of security and privacy, and often have insufficient training or support.

And as for last last remark I have been playing the hell out of the Gears of War Beta and CoD:blackops on xbox live lately and in fact spend the majority of my gaming time playing WoW or DDO. So if this was a thread about how Blizzard or Turbine got hacked then you may have a point.

My sincerest apologies sir. *tip of the hat*

http://bitmob.com/articles/detective-work-reveals-psn-servers-up-to-date

 

[Macrobstar]

Well that can only mean one thing, xbox is more fun than PS3 and all that personal preference we had doesn't matter /sarcasm