To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

[ShadowAurora]

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

It does? Loads of 360 owners here. And Sony is huge, if people are brave enough to take on Sony why would they think twice about Microsoft? And that monthly fee you pay doesn't necessarily all go on security, my guess would be a very small amount of it ever goes on anything that directly benefits the customers.

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN. And let me say something. While it is probably a pretty even split of console ownership (maybe leaning more towards the 360 since its just been bought more) the PS3 fanboys scream and yell and act like general idiots and have petty comebacks like the guy that posted before you who criticized my grammar, so they are more annoying and will shit up a thread more so than 360 fanboys.

same can be said for xbox users those lovey huggy bunch of kids....
anything is hackable dont be naive

 

[Kpt._Rob]

I can personally attest that my credit card information was stolen by an identity theif when I used it to open a Live account. It may not be 25 million people, but there are definately people who hack credit card numbers through Xbox Live.

I don't mean to call you out here, but do you have solid evidence to show that it was stolen as a result of signing up for Live? People become victims of identity theft all the time, and statistically it's highly probable that there are people out there who were victimized right around the same time as they signed up for live. That is to say that correlation does not show causation.

Did you perform a legitimate investigation which showed that your card information was stolen through XBL? Or is it just the case that it was stolen in a time which incidentally happened to be close to when you signed up for Live and you assumed it was stolen through XBL?

I don't mean to say that it couldn't happen, just that it seems more likely to me that it was some vulnerability in your own network, or that you got victimized through some other source. I would think that if you had actually had your information stolen through XBL there would be more people who had their information stolen in the same way, and it would be a bigger story.

The other way to phrase that question is "why would hackers only target you if they had the capability to hack anyone through XBL?"

Actually if you have a firm grasp of logic and common sense, the fact his card became compromised right when he signed up for XBL is proof that it is a problem local to him and not of the XBL service being hacked.


Being keylogged or having data intercepted over a wireless connection = simple hack/virus.

XBL being hacked to steal account numbers in real time as they sign up = incredibly complicated hack. In fact, why steal incoming signees and not just grab a million account numbers from the existing database?


I bet this guy blames Blizzard for his WoW account being hacked instead of changing his email password or scanning for a keylogger.

Yeah, that was kind of my point, but I like to approach these things in a more Socratic way. That is less of an approach saying "you're wrong" and more from an approach asking "are you sure you're right?"

 

[Pearwood]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN. And let me say something. While it is probably a pretty even split of console ownership (maybe leaning more towards the 360 since its just been bought more) the PS3 fanboys scream and yell and act like general idiots and have petty comebacks like the guy that posted before you who criticized my grammar, so they are more annoying and will shit up a thread more so than 360 fanboys.

Hey I'm a total Sony fanboy and can have a polite conversation

I know what you're saying but honestly if it can happen to Sony it can happen to Microsoft. It probably (hopefully!) won't but it could.

 

[GeorgW]

Never under-estimate the power of teh internetz. If Microsoft would piss off anonymous the same way Sony did they'd get theirs as well.

 

[Neverhoodian]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN. And let me say something. While it is probably a pretty even split of console ownership (maybe leaning more towards the 360 since its just been bought more) the PS3 fanboys scream and yell and act like general idiots and have petty comebacks like the guy that posted before you who criticized my grammar, so they are more annoying and will shit up a thread more so than 360 fanboys.

In my experience, 360 fanboys are often just as irrational and thoughtless as PS3 fanboys.

With regards to your original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if hackers tried to breach Live BECAUSE Microsoft has so much money and resources. People like a challenge, after all.

 

[Moriarty]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN.

no.

Sony is actually "bigger" than Microsoft, not the other way around.

According to Wikipedia:

Sony: Total assets ¥11.22 trillion / $137.694 billion (2010)
Microsoft: Total assets US$ 86.113 billion (2010)

 

[darksakul]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

Obviously you ether do not know or forget three (3) absolutes of Programing (regardless of DRM).
Or perhaps you are too much of a Microsoft fan to see this clearly.

All Programs can be Copied
All Programs can be Cracked
No Security is ABSOLUTE.

Some form of that statement, although usually paraphrased is in every text book in existence that involve security or programing. No lock is unpickable, to device is fully Idiot Proof, anything (including hardware and software) can be broken some way. I am sure if I give someone a solid 1 piece hammer made out of the strongest metal in the world, someone bound to break in in half and not know why.

If Microsoft security personnel and experts are worth even a fraction of their paycheck, they will know to learn what happen to Sony and watch their own asses. Hackers are getting smarter every minuet of everyday, if a group of them wanted something bad enough give them time they will break it wide open. iPhone and iPad, JAILBROKEN, Android phones ROOTED, The Xbox 360 console been hack while open a while back, and it is documented hackers messes with stats in XBL already. Google Gmail got hacked not that long ago, thousands if not millions of email accounts compromised, same with Yahoo. Regardless of Nintendo's efforts, new versions of the R4 are coming out. Give them time, they will make one for the 3DS. Blizzard net was taken down before by hackers. Before you go and shit all over Sony and pawn off your PS3 understand that no security is ABSOLUTE.

Some of the biggest computer Crimes ever committed on record, was not a failure in technology but human one. Look up Kevin Mitnick and how he used low tech tricks in the 80's to steal millions from computers systems. There is a reason now why websites, networks and employers tell you never give your log in information to anyone even those who claim to be tech support.

Sony's big mistake is they trusted their Lawyers more than they trusted software security experts and system Admins when it came to security.

Remember this, with security there are no absolutes, but only unproven certainties.

 

[Jodah]

There is one reason, and one reason only, that Live won't be hacked to the degree PSN was. Microsoft has not pissed off the hacker community the way Sony did. One does not poke a sleeping bear and expect to live. The moment Microsoft does something to piss off Anonymous and other hacker groups (yeah, yeah, I know Anon isn't really a group. Its just the easiest way to describe it.) the shit will hit the fan.

 

[alrekr]

like the guy that posted before you who criticized my grammar, so they are more annoying and will shit up a thread more so than 360 fanboys.

Bad grammar is a terriable crime and really does ruin forums; if people at least made an effort to use proper english the world would be a better place. You sir don't even have the excuse of not having english as your first language, as your from the USA.

Do you know why ps3 fanboys have got more vocal? Mabye its because their sick of all the loud 360 fanboys who like to poop up a thread. Mabye it's due to the gradual increases in ps3 sales since its release; more sales means more people, which means MORE KNOBS (Fanboys/girls) WITH INTERNET CONNECTIONs

 

[ShakesZX]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN. And let me say something. While it is probably a pretty even split of console ownership (maybe leaning more towards the 360 since its just been bought more) the PS3 fanboys scream and yell and act like general idiots and have petty comebacks like the guy that posted before you who criticized my grammar, so they are more annoying and will shit up a thread more so than 360 fanboys.

Awww.... Obvious Troll is so cute....

I love how the internet can let any baseless and uncredited comment sound like fact if shouted with enough ferocity. It's probably the same type of thinking that one company is more secure than another that led to the false sense of security which enabled the hackers. Microsoft is nowhere near impenetrable, as a quick google search [http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSND_enUS414US414&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=microsoft+hacked] highlights:

hacked points [http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/710979/microsoft-to-invalidate-hacked-point-codes/]
2000 incident [http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-247716.html]

 

[zehydra]

Congrats OP, not one of your arguments did not contain a logical fallacy!

 

[RobThePrezodent]

Snip

And my last point will be that you have horrible grammar. A bad thing when trying to sound serious.

It should be a semi colon, not a full stop; it doesn't currently make grammatical sense. Ouch...

 

[Actual]

The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Sony is worth 20 billion dollars more than Microsoft. Sony is currently less profitable however.

It could just be that a vulnerability was spotted on the Sony network, but I think if Microsoft started pissing off it's customers the way Sony does there would be people looking for the vulnerabilities that are in Microsoft's network.

 

[jpoon]

Wrong, Live can and has been hacked already. Maybe not to the scope that Sony has now been hacked. Why would you even try to bring it up like this just asking folks to try, you know hackers would love the opportunity to go wild maybe this kind of statement "XBL will never be hacked, yada yada." will bring them around to do so...

 

[Frankster]

Saying something is unsinkable/unhackable is just tempting fate.

None of reasons provided by OP are really that much of a deterrent in my view, if anything hackers would relish a tough challenge if someone proclaims their system to be "unhackable", then it will be hacked just to prove a point.

 

[Innegativeion]

fanboys

Watch your language.

Some words were just never meant to be used.

 

[Lt. Dragunov]

maybe it mite be a little harder but microsoft can , and most likely, will be hacked. Maybe not to the same degree as sony but it can happen.

 

[thelonewolf266]

I own an Xbox I think live is a lot better than PSN even before the breach but i also think PlayStation has features that are better than Xbox even considering this I think the Xbox is better however I still think you are an idiot if you think it couldn't be hacked just because Microsoft is rich.Sony is worth at least $31.741 billion probably a lot more, that didn't stop them from being hacked.The simple fact is that no Network is one hundred percent secure.

You know what WOULD have stopped PSN from being hacked? Having a firewall, or up to date security software. Sure, its not IMPOSSIBLE for XBL to be hacked, but it is almost infinitely more difficult since they actually use basic system security measures.

I wasn't saying that Sony didn't fuck up I was debating the claim that Xbox Live is invulnerable because that is clearly nonsense.