Todd Howard called out for blowing off PS3 owners.

[SaintWaldo]

People suspect anything if its in their best interests. Face it, the cold fact is Bethesda stand to lose money patching a PS3 version - they don't get anything out of it as you won't be buying DLC.

How much do they make patching the 360 and PC versions without the DLC? None. So there goes your money argument.
We won't be buying something they refuse to sell us? That makes no sense. If they made DLC for PS3, it would sell.

I'd like you to show some proof of your assertion that they'd lose money offering a patch or DLC on the PS3. Please normalize your answers against the amount of uncaptured revenues over patches and DLC on PC and 360 due to piracy.

 

[D_987]

Well the DLC is exclusive to 360 / PC - thats kind of the point.

"If you didn't plan on supporting the PS3 version with DLC, then why did you release Fallout 3 on the system to begin with?"

Be grateful for what you have...

"Why are you not giving a reason for not giving the Playstation 3 at least a patch to continue people's quests after the ending of the game without even a reason?"

Possibly because all further DLC is exclusive to Microsoft, and therefore the "real" ending of the game is the real ending of the PS3 version.

"Because some gamers suspect it, you should be asked this: Did Microsoft offer you money, for any given purpose, and did you accept, in order to make sure only their approved platforms (360 and the PC) were able to be given this sort of support, and if so, what was your reason for accepting?"

People suspect anything if its in their best interests. Face it, the cold fact is Bethesda stand to lose money patching a PS3 version - they don't get anything out of it as you won't be buying DLC.

Since we're both biased, and we've bucked heads before, I'm merely going to say, "If you release it, They will buy."

Really? We've bucked heads - I don't remember...

Anyway, I'm not being biased, I'm trying to give a reason as to why Bethesda would not have released this patch. Remember, the DLC is exclusive, so its merely the patch I was discussing in that final quote.

 

[TxMxRonin]

I don't really care about Fallout 3 and even if I did buy the game I wouldn't get the DLC cause I really don't care. But it's a dick move to only have DLC for one system when you released the game on multiple platforms.

 

[DirkGently]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners:

Oh, I really hope you're not English, or you'd be in hysterics by now.

Quick hint: You've just implied he is engaging in oral fornication.

We don't say "blowing off", just "blowing".

Also, I think I can answer for Todd Howard: "Because Microsoft paid me in a great big bushels of cash, and Sony wouldn't match or exceed them. What, you think this is a fuckin' charity? It's a goddamned business, and I'm trying to make some money! Maybe if PS3 owners want Fallout 3 DLC, they'll get Sony to get us to make some DLC for it!"

 

[Yog Sothoth]

I don't really care about Fallout 3 and even if I did buy the game I wouldn't get the DLC cause I really don't care. But it's a dick move to only have DLC for one system when you released the game on multiple platforms.

GTA IV got the same treatment... exclusive DLC is the new console exclusive game....

 

[zenoaugustus]

As a PS3 owner, and a Fallout 3 owner, obviously I was disappointed. I mean, it certainly looks fun, all the DLC content that is going to be released for the 360 and PC, and I would like some answers to the questions up top, at the same time, "whatever". It's not like I'm going to cry to sleep tonight over the fact that the 360 gets more stuff than the PS3. I think I knew that before I went out and bought a $500 dollar system (when I bought, I'm not sure what it is now, so don't spam saying it's something else, I recognize that). If one was planning on going out and purchasing a system right now and thought that the PS3 had more exclusive titles then they must have not done any research on the systems.

 

[Horned Rat]

OMG!!1! Someone from Bethesda Software gave the middle finger to gamers! To all PS3 owners, I feel your pain. Xbox owners got the same treatment from the same company with the Oblivion Expansion packs released before Game of the Year edition.

I have an idea for the developers though... how about releasing a game that is finished and works properly, so patches can be used to make minor improvements and nut out the small bugs that will inevitably get through, like they should. Nah, that's stupid.

 

[D_987]

OMG!!1! Someone from Bethesda Software gave the middle finger to gamers! To all PS3 owners, I feel your pain. Xbox owners got the same treatment from the same company with the Oblivion Expansion packs released before Game of the Year edition.

Horse armour for Oblivion still sells on a daily basis.

 

[Jumplion]

Being a 360 owner I want to feel as if this is unfair (which it is) but I see it as Karma saying 'here you go' as I can't get MGS4

Are we seriously going to debate an argument that has been dead for months?

I really do think this is complete dickery with Bethesda. They won't even release a patch to let you continue playing after you die. That would barely cost a thing! Just let us play after we die!

I don't care if the Ps3 is "not selling as well ad the 360", money is god damn money and they are losing alot of money and respect from many of their potential customers.

The only excuse they have for this is that MicroSoft payed them, I'm tired of the age old argument that "The PS3 is not selling well!" and "The Ps3 is hard to work for!" and the ever important "The Ps3 is not selling as well and is hard to develop for and it would be expensive and it would be pointless and....." Bullshit on that, Bethesda has had practically 3-4 years to get "used" to the PS3.

The game is multiplatform, if you're not going to satisfy all your customers then don't make it for multiple customers.

The same thing can be said about the Mirror's Edge time trial pack exclusive to the PS3, but that's not as big as being able to play after the ending. That doesn't mean DICE and EA should have allowed ME pack to be exclusive, the same argument applies to this, but to completely deny playing more of the actual game to probably a 1/3 to 1/2 or so of their customers is completely ignorant and shortsided.

If game developers actually treat the PS3 as if it's a platform worth developing for, then you wouldn't get this bullshit.

I don't personally own Fallout 3 (borrowed it from a friend), be he and many of my other friends are furious that they won't be getting a bone to gnaw on from this. I personally don't care much about the DLC, but now I'd have to get a 360 to get an extension of a game. And an extension of a game is not a good reason to buy a console.

 

[Snowalker]

OMG!!1! Someone from Bethesda Software gave the middle finger to gamers! To all PS3 owners, I feel your pain. Xbox owners got the same treatment from the same company with the Oblivion Expansion packs released before Game of the Year edition.

Horse armour for Oblivion still sells on a daily basis.

That really is some werid stuff too, its completely useless. Course people will buy anything.

 

[Horned Rat]

OMG!!1! Someone from Bethesda Software gave the middle finger to gamers! To all PS3 owners, I feel your pain. Xbox owners got the same treatment from the same company with the Oblivion Expansion packs released before Game of the Year edition.

Horse armour for Oblivion still sells on a daily basis.

No no, I'm referring to a disc they released of the 2 expansions (Knights and Isles). Was supposed to be the expansions available to offline console players. However it didn't work unless you had Xbox Live and could download a patch to make it work.

Sort of defeated the purpose of the disc. And try getting to get help or a straight answer out of them.... don't try that, you will fail.

EDIT: Snowalker, the whole concept of horses in the game made no point, not just armour. With fast travelling and not being able to fight off them, I don't get why they were there.

 

[AceDiamond]

Bethesda said from the get-go that Fallout 3 for the PS3 would not get any DLC... it's not like it was some big secret that they waited until launch to spring upon the PS3 owners... these people are just whining and need to grow up...

Expecting logic and/or maturity from whiny fanboys is like expecting a sane thought from Michael Atkinson or Jack Thompson

 

[Debatra]

OMG!!1! Someone from Bethesda Software gave the middle finger to gamers! To all PS3 owners, I feel your pain. Xbox owners got the same treatment from the same company with the Oblivion Expansion packs released before Game of the Year edition.

Excuse me? Other than SI and KotN, PS3 owners get nothing from Oblivion. 360 owners have the plugins and patches.

BLOODGRASS!!!!!!!!!

I have an idea for the developers though... how about releasing a game that is finished and works properly, so patches can be used to make minor improvements and nut out the small bugs that will inevitably get through, like they should. Nah, that's stupid.

Hear, hear!

BLOODGRASS!!!!!!!!!(again)

 

[Irridium]

I understand the exclusive DLC but no patch?

thats just stupid

 

[phar]

They should put the same questions to Valve for Left4Dead and Team Fortress.

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

Being a 360 owner I want to feel as if this is unfair (which it is) but I see it as Karma saying 'here you go' as I can't get MGS4

I gotta back you on this one seeing that some are tearing you down and that I can agree.

I mean there is repercussions on everything dealing with Karma, so saying that "Well, I didn't get MGS4." Which by the way I want too but only got an Xbox360, is totally valid.

But more on the point, it is sad that PS3 owners are bring treated second class, but Bethesda didn't lie about anything and was clear about the DLC.

What is just wrong is the "No Patch" thing. That's just messed up. As far as I am concerned, the game ending thing is a glitch in which they should surely fix.

 

[Jumplion]

Being a 360 owner I want to feel as if this is unfair (which it is) but I see it as Karma saying 'here you go' as I can't get MGS4

I gotta back you on this one seeing that some are tearing you down and that I can agree.

I mean there is repercussions on everything dealing with Karma, so saying that "Well, I didn't get MGS4." Which by the way I want too but only got an Xbox360, is totally valid.

But more on the point, it is sad that PS3 owners are bring treated second class, but Bethesda didn't lie about anything and was clear about the DLC.

What is just wrong is the "No Patch" thing. That's just messed up. As far as I am concerned, the game ending thing is a glitch in which they should surely fix.

So a complete full game is fair trade for an extension of a game? That's not Karma, that's dickery by the company.

Having to buy a console for a complete game where you get the full experience off the bat, that's exclusive to the console, is not equal to a multiplatform game releasing an extension of a game that should be made available for everyone because it's multiplatform. Exclusive games are a reason to buy a console, not exclusive extensions of one.

I really wouldn't be as angry at Bethesda if they had just made a patch to allow gameplay after the ending. As you said, that is basically a glitch that everyone complained about and to not be able to experience the game because we chose a different console is complete dickery. If this was the case, allowing gameplay after the ending, then I would be fine with the exclusive DLC overall. Sure I'd be annoyed that I wouldn't be able to get the new quests and items, but atleast it would show that Bethesda gives a fuck about the other half of their customers.

 

[Liverandbacon]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners:

Oh, I really hope you're not English, or you'd be in hysterics by now.

Quick hint: You've just implied he is engaging in oral fornication.

That's what I read it as at first too. I thought I was about to read some bizarre tabloid story about Todd Howard's secret life. I'm glad I was wrong.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners:

Oh, I really hope you're not English, or you'd be in hysterics by now.

Quick hint: You've just implied he is engaging in oral fornication.

No, I didn't mean to, but he should. That would make up for their d-baggery.



I guess I'm not that POed about the ending patch/DLC. I wasn't planning on getting any DLC for this game but the fact that they patched out all the trippy glitches left all the game freezing ones that force you to do a hard shut down; then say that the PS3 is getting no further support. And to be honest, by the end of the game, I didn't want to play anymore, so the ending just seemed more like a cheap cop-out and less of a travesty.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Being a 360 owner I want to feel as if this is unfair (which it is) but I see it as Karma saying 'here you go' as I can't get MGS4

I gotta back you on this one seeing that some are tearing you down and that I can agree.

I mean there is repercussions on everything dealing with Karma, so saying that "Well, I didn't get MGS4." Which by the way I want too but only got an Xbox360, is totally valid.

But more on the point, it is sad that PS3 owners are bring treated second class, but Bethesda didn't lie about anything and was clear about the DLC.

What is just wrong is the "No Patch" thing. That's just messed up. As far as I am concerned, the game ending thing is a glitch in which they should surely fix.

Yea.
I also think you should be able to get MGS4 for the 360; but I was one of those guys who didn't see the big deal when FF13 was announced for the 360. Many were trying to fan a flamewar on that announcement. But if I were you, I'd be more pissed about Valkyria Chronicles. That's a game everyone deserves to try.

But I too look forward to the day when the consoles will have some sort of standard so 360ers can download Echocrome and PS3ers can download Braid. But maybe I'm just a hippy that's smoked too much.