Todd Howard called out for blowing off PS3 owners.

[Faeanor]

This is all rather amusing actually. You could almost take out Xbox and PS3 and replace them with PC and Mac. If you really want to feel what it's like to be a second class gamer get a mac. This is just nitpicking compared to that.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

Y'know, everyone goes after the developers on this but so few people actually look at the common factor; Sony. So many games are getting so much else on the other platforms, but the PS3 gets left out by nearly all of them. And yet no one seems to think that maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy by all those disparate game studios and publishers... and that maybe it's just one company with its head up it's arse.

What could Sony be doing that's discouraging all those other people from offering this stuff for PS3 owners?

-- Steve

 

[Frizzle]

This is all rather amusing actually. You could almost take out Xbox and PS3 and replace them with PC and Mac. If you really want to feel what it's like to be a second class gamer get a mac. This is just nitpicking compared to that.

I have a mac. Sucks that no games are made for it. I also have a PS3. Luckily, I JUST got my first windows desktop that I can game with, and I just got FO3 from steam.

 

[Jumplion]

Y'know, everyone goes after the developers on this but so few people actually look at the common factor; Sony. So many games are getting so much else on the other platforms, but the PS3 gets left out by nearly all of them. And yet no one seems to think that maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy by all those disparate game studios and publishers... and that maybe it's just one company with its head up it's arse.

What could Sony be doing that's discouraging all those other people from offering this stuff for PS3 owners?

-- Steve

Let's not start this "This is Sony's fault!" bullshit that appears with many PS3 threads.

If more developers got off their lazy asses instead of making excuses "It's too hard to develop for!" and the like, and actually started treating the PS3 as an equal product to develop for, then VIOLA! The PS3 actually gets some god damn love. The developers start seeing that the PS3 is being supported by it's colleagues and the think the PS3 is worth to develop for, and PRESTO more developers support it.

And way to completely disregard that Microsoft is the one who paid for the exclusivity of the DLC, so this is in no way Sony's fault.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding brash, but as I said before I wouldn't nearly be as furious at Bethesda if they would release a patch to allow play after an ending. Microsoft did not pay for exclusivity to play after the end of the game, and if Bethesda actually want to look like they care for their customers then a simple patch allowing this would suffice.

If this was the case then I wouldn't have that much problem with the DLC being exclusive. I may be annoyed that I wouldn't be able to play it, but atleast I'm getting part of the bone.

EDIT: And is that one company with it's head up their arse Bethesda?
EDIT 2: Sorry, I edit my posts alot to refine my opinion.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

EDIT: And is that one company with it's head up their arse Bethesda?

If it was just Bethesda I wouldn't be saying this. But it's Rockstar, too, and Take Two, and 2K, and Infinity Ward, and Valve, and... well, you could blame all those other guys, or you could ask what one company, Sony, could be doing to piss all those other guys off.

-- Steve

 

[Jumplion]

EDIT: And is that one company with it's head up their arse Bethesda?

If it was just Bethesda I wouldn't be saying this. But it's Rockstar, too, and Take Two, and 2K, and Infinity Ward, and Valve, and... well, you could blame all those other guys, or you could ask what one company, Sony, could be doing to piss all those other guys off.

-- Steve

With Rockstar, MS payed exclusivity rights for the DLC
With Take Two, they ported BioShock and gave the PS3 exclusive challenge rooms which Sony payed for
2K, I dono't see your point here
Infinity Ward, see 2K
Valve (atleast Doug) hates the Ps3 and are too lazy to develop for it. They said "if L4D sells well, we'll consider porting it to PS3" but they were bullshitting themselves because HellOOOOOOOOO! They've fucking VALVe baby!

So, the only company that holds weight to your argument is VAVLe, though you were probably just listing names off the top of your head.

EDIT (yet again): I don't care what the parent company does, if you have customers on the platform then and if you're giving DLC or other extensions of games, then you should show that you still actually give a fuck about the customer regardless of who the company is.

If a company refuses to give the other half of their customers atleast fair treatment (like allowing gameplay after the ending) then they are complete assholes who do not care about their customers.

 

[jamesworkshop]

payed for exclusive DLC is not a crime

 

[Jumplion]

payed for exclusive DLC is not a crime

Again, I'm not talking about that. I understand that Microsoft payed for exclusive DLC and Bethesda accepted. But Microsoft did not pay to have the ability to play after the ending of Fallout 3 exclusive. Bethesda have every reason to do this, but they are not and that is why I'm ranting here.

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

Is this really such a mystery?
Microsoft probably paid Bethesda to make the DLC exclusive.

A second point is this renders the old arguement against the payment for XBL as being negative null and void, because the money we pay just means the Xbox team have more funds to secure DLC and exclusives.

 

[squid5580]

Y'know, everyone goes after the developers on this but so few people actually look at the common factor; Sony. So many games are getting so much else on the other platforms, but the PS3 gets left out by nearly all of them. And yet no one seems to think that maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy by all those disparate game studios and publishers... and that maybe it's just one company with its head up it's arse.

What could Sony be doing that's discouraging all those other people from offering this stuff for PS3 owners?

-- Steve

Let's not start this "This is Sony's fault!" bullshit that appears with many PS3 threads.

If more developers got off their lazy asses instead of making excuses "It's too hard to develop for!" and the like, and actually started treating the PS3 as an equal product to develop for, then VIOLA! The PS3 actually gets some god damn love. The developers start seeing that the PS3 is being supported by it's colleagues and the think the PS3 is worth to develop for, and PRESTO more developers support it.

And way to completely disregard that Microsoft is the one who paid for the exclusivity of the DLC, so this is in no way Sony's fault.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding brash, but as I said before I wouldn't nearly be as furious at Bethesda if they would release a patch to allow play after an ending. Microsoft did not pay for exclusivity to play after the end of the game, and if Bethesda actually want to look like they care for their customers then a simple patch allowing this would suffice.

If this was the case then I wouldn't have that much problem with the DLC being exclusive. I may be annoyed that I wouldn't be able to play it, but atleast I'm getting part of the bone.

EDIT: And is that one company with it's head up their arse Bethesda?
EDIT 2: Sorry, I edit my posts alot to refine my opinion.

The whole "PS3 is harder to develop for" (if true) is a very valid arguement. Making games is hard enough, eats alot of time and costs alot of money. So if a company who is attempting to make money has a choice of either developing for one who will take more time and manpower (which = more cost) or one that is faster and easier which one should they choose? I am not saying that it is right cuz they are flipping off PS3 owners who bought their game. No doubt about that. Just that they are trying to make money and I assume that taking this route will net them more. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

 

[Arionis]

Being a 360 owner I want to feel as if this is unfair (which it is) but I see it as Karma saying 'here you go' as I can't get MGS4

*glares* ........well played indeed sir.... *PS3 Fallout 3 owner*

 

[Jumplion]

The whole "PS3 is harder to develop for" (if true) is a very valid arguement. Making games is hard enough, eats alot of time and costs alot of money. So if a company who is attempting to make money has a choice of either developing for one who will take more time and manpower (which = more cost) or one that is faster and easier which one should they choose? I am not saying that it is right cuz they are flipping off PS3 owners who bought their game. No doubt about that. Just that they are trying to make money and I assume that taking this route will net them more. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

The PS3 isn't the most friendly console to program for, I'll give you that much. But 3 years is more than enough time to at least get used to the hardware.

And how much do you think a simple patch allowing gameplay after the ending would cost? Maybe a $1000 at worst, compared to the millions they earned from the game. "Oh no! We're going to lose a $1000 if we make a patch for the PS3! How could we ever live without that money?!?!"

 

[squid5580]

The whole "PS3 is harder to develop for" (if true) is a very valid arguement. Making games is hard enough, eats alot of time and costs alot of money. So if a company who is attempting to make money has a choice of either developing for one who will take more time and manpower (which = more cost) or one that is faster and easier which one should they choose? I am not saying that it is right cuz they are flipping off PS3 owners who bought their game. No doubt about that. Just that they are trying to make money and I assume that taking this route will net them more. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

The PS3 isn't the most friendly console to program for, I'll give you that much. But 3 years is more than enough time to at least get used to the hardware.

And how much do you think a simple patch allowing gameplay after the ending would cost? Maybe a $1000 at worst, compared to the millions they earned from the game. "Oh no! We're going to lose a $1000 if we make a patch for the PS3! How could we ever live without that money?!?!"

On the moral ground you are absolutely right. 1000 bucks is a drop in the bucket. Unfortunately this is a corporation who is there to ultimately make money. Not to lose it. They got shareholders who will rage if they were to throw money around for nothing. It is sad and it sucks. But that is how business works.

 

[Jumplion]

The whole "PS3 is harder to develop for" (if true) is a very valid arguement. Making games is hard enough, eats alot of time and costs alot of money. So if a company who is attempting to make money has a choice of either developing for one who will take more time and manpower (which = more cost) or one that is faster and easier which one should they choose? I am not saying that it is right cuz they are flipping off PS3 owners who bought their game. No doubt about that. Just that they are trying to make money and I assume that taking this route will net them more. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

The PS3 isn't the most friendly console to program for, I'll give you that much. But 3 years is more than enough time to at least get used to the hardware.

And how much do you think a simple patch allowing gameplay after the ending would cost? Maybe a $1000 at worst, compared to the millions they earned from the game. "Oh no! We're going to lose a $1000 if we make a patch for the PS3! How could we ever live without that money?!?!"

On the moral ground you are absolutely right. 1000 bucks is a drop in the bucket. Unfortunately this is a corporation who is there to ultimately make money. Not to lose it. They got shareholders who will rage if they were to throw money around for nothing. It is sad and it sucks. But that is how business works.

But business is also caring for your customers so you can make more money.

You have to spend to gain, and the more people trust you the more you can gain.

 

[GonzoGamer]

EDIT: And is that one company with it's head up their arse Bethesda?

If it was just Bethesda I wouldn't be saying this. But it's Rockstar, too, and Take Two, and 2K, and Infinity Ward, and Valve, and... well, you could blame all those other guys, or you could ask what one company, Sony, could be doing to piss all those other guys off.

-- Steve

But that's kind of one of the things we want answered: if they're going to treat PS3ers like crap (or if they find developing for ps3 too hard) why are they going to bother in the first place?

Had I known, the ps3 version would keep freezing (even after they release a patch fixing things that were hardly problems at all) and not receive any sort of minimal required support, I wouldn't have bothered getting it for the ps3; with that kind of contempt, I may have gotten it used for the PC when it hits $5.

I don't think any PS3ers care too much about DLC (I certainly don't; if I did, I would've gotten both GTA4 and Fallout 3 for my PC) or they would have 360s & PCs.

This is all rather amusing actually. You could almost take out Xbox and PS3 and replace them with PC and Mac. If you really want to feel what it's like to be a second class gamer get a mac. This is just nitpicking compared to that.

or coke and pepsi; or mets and yankees (as a NYCer, I hate them both); or liberal and conservative; or Ghostbusters and Real Ghostbusters.
I remember some kids (back in the day) argued over Mario and Zelda games. This of course was before the SMS.

 

[uncle-ellis]

Good god some guys goin around giving ps3 owners free blowjobs!
I'm tradin my 360 in right away.

 

[Jumplion]

Good god some guys goin around giving ps3 owners free blowjobs!
I'm tradin my 360 in right away.

Oh stop being a smartass, it's been said a dozen times in this thread ;P

 

[Liverandbacon]

But business is also caring for your customers so you can make more money.

You have to spend to gain, and the more people trust you the more you can gain.

Except gamers have shown that they are willing to swallow no end of bullshit from companies, no matter what they do. Look at EA, it seems like every 3 months they do something that pisses off masses of people, yet those same people continue buying their games. The industry has discovered that it can screw people over with minimal consequences.