Yes. While Pedophilia pertains to prepubescent children, Lolita Complex focuses on those within the first stages of puberty.Maze1125 said:
Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.
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Maybe this will help Weeaboos learn to appreciate their own culture instead of decry it in favor of Japanese. It would be a welcome change to not listen to them bash american or canadian stuff.Ih8pkmn said:
And we still have graphic novels, which are still awesome.
I did a little research and this is what I got
Tokyo already has the power to designate anything that is too sexually stimulating for minors OR too sadistic for minors OR too likely to cause criminal acts among minors OR cause suicide among minors as ?harmful material?, and force such material to be treated as adult only material.
and the new law says that any sex act that would be illegal in real life or shows incest can also be designated as adult material or harmful material.
so it seems this will not affect your favorite games, manga, and anime. Cathrine is just as likely to see a release as ever, Bleach will still be in Weekly Shonen Jump, and whatever anime you are watching will still be on Hulu or wherever you watch it.
I think.
Tokyo already has the power to designate anything that is too sexually stimulating for minors OR too sadistic for minors OR too likely to cause criminal acts among minors OR cause suicide among minors as ?harmful material?, and force such material to be treated as adult only material.
and the new law says that any sex act that would be illegal in real life or shows incest can also be designated as adult material or harmful material.
so it seems this will not affect your favorite games, manga, and anime. Cathrine is just as likely to see a release as ever, Bleach will still be in Weekly Shonen Jump, and whatever anime you are watching will still be on Hulu or wherever you watch it.
I think.
The Pacific Ocean.AC10 said:
I am not in total disagreement of this law. I mean, they aren't banning the stuff, just making it only available to 18+ right?
As someone who has a fetish for lolicon...HOW DARE THEY?!
I would like you to elaborate. Why?ajemas said:
The problem is that real child pornography, at least the owning of it, is actually explicitly legal in Japan. In actuality, the DPJ forced the people writing the bill to remove a clause stating that owning real CP is illegal, while leaving everything else alone. So, fake stuff, the lolicon hentai and shotacon hentai, is illegal, but owning pictures of actual children naked and/or in some kind of sexual sitatution is totally legal (note that distribution of CP is illegal, but actually owning it is a-okay).ajemas said:
This is one of the reason I'm pissed. Real stuff makes me want to commit horrible acts of violence, and murder the people with the pcitures of real children being abused and exploited, and yet the fake stuff isn't allowed? No. I can't accept that.
Again, part of my fear, while extreme (I do admit that you are right in saying that they way I described it is extreme), Japan does have a histoy of this being the norm. That's why entire genre's of hentai exist in the first place; to circumvent laws about pornography (specifically, Tentacle hentai was modernized and kind of "reinvented" to get around laws forbidding male reproductive organs from being drawn). All I see this doing is alienating entire market and reversing Japan back to what they were forced to stop doing in the first place.
Not only that, but people are already seeing their manga being cancled, forcebly toned down, etc. Yeah, okay, a BL (Boy's Love) manga is probably pretty explicit, and children shouldn't read it (seriously, they can get pretty sexually graphic), but some manga companies are already forbidding any usage of school settings in most ways. That would make it so brilliant things like Code Geass or really funny things like Lucky Star (anime, yes, but the rules still apply) will be that much more difficult to make happen, as simply putting the characters in a school is apparantly enough for companies to fear the manga receiving an "18 only" rating, even if that fear is, for something like Lucky Star, wholly unfounded as nothing ever happens, sexually or otherwise.
And the very vague clause that is about using the laws "properly" doesn't sooth my anger at all, as it's even more vague than the already extraordinarily vague law it is supposed to be limiting.
As I feel will be a common theme in these posts, I apologize if I came off as incredibly angry at you. The anger was not directed towards you.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/all/boxshots2/957985_121474.jpg
observe the Japanese box for dead rising 2, that already has a red sticker of harmful content and it is out everywhere, I think we are over reacting.
If someone can get a better picture of the Japanese box please post it.
observe the Japanese box for dead rising 2, that already has a red sticker of harmful content and it is out everywhere, I think we are over reacting.
If someone can get a better picture of the Japanese box please post it.
I am mostly referring to the archetypical representation of loli. I roll things from teenage up into Rule 34, and I flat out refuse to classify baby porn as anything other than satanic.Maze1125 said:
Real child pornography is legal there? What the shit?! Somebody might be able to throw the (very weak) justification that loli isn't real, and therefore isn't harmful, but there is NO justification for actual child pornography. It is one of the very worst things that humans are capable of: screwing up a young child for life, just to get their kicks.Mstrswrd said:
Anyway, I do agree with you in that the bill is a bit extreme. However, I feel that with a little bit of work, it could cut down on the really sick loli stuff. Manga and Anime make Japan a lot, and if it is OK to show to your average westerner, in the interest of making money, I think that it will be allowed.
By the way, even though I'm not the most perceptive guy on the planet, I know that you aren't mad at me.
Why, you ask? Because it's depicting a CHILD getting raped! You could make all of the arguments that you want about how it isn't real, or that nobody is getting hurt, but it doesn't change the fact that it is offensive and wrong.Bloodstain said:
I'm a bigot for opposing media depicting underage women get violated? How does that work, exactly. Also, I'm running out of euphemisms for "intercourse".Jarrid said:
Would you rather lolicon be banned and the likely possibility those individuals whom like it go to real child pornography instead? In which actually harms real individuals, and not fictional, unrealistic looking characters?ajemas said:
Fictional characters are fictional. Which is why fictional movies can get away with depictions torture, rape, murder, theft, and likewise, while smut films are obviously banned, although they tend to share the same content.
Considering that this is Japan and considering the level of sexual wierdness they have, this will probably affect only the more extreme manga/anime/etc. It won't be as strict as laws in the US, and there are quite a few anime and manga that doesn't have sex acts portrayed in them. Sure, the characters might have big breasts and skimpier clothes but that doesn't make it porn.
And their not making it illegal or banning it from existance; their making it inaccesable to kids. If your worried about your anime porn, you'll probably still be able to buy it. America's laws regarding porn are much stricter than Japan's. In the US, porn is not regarded as "art" and therefore isn't protected by freedom of speech.
This is Japan we're talking about. They have different cultral standards when it comes to sex and violence. How many articles have you seen about Japanese people and news media repeating the "think of the children!!1!11!!" line?
And their not making it illegal or banning it from existance; their making it inaccesable to kids. If your worried about your anime porn, you'll probably still be able to buy it. America's laws regarding porn are much stricter than Japan's. In the US, porn is not regarded as "art" and therefore isn't protected by freedom of speech.
This is Japan we're talking about. They have different cultral standards when it comes to sex and violence. How many articles have you seen about Japanese people and news media repeating the "think of the children!!1!11!!" line?