A. Yes. This bill caused the recent boycott.Jim555 said:
B. The bill will go into effect after July 1st. Anything currently running or released before then will be unaffected but newly released series/games will be under scrutiny.
Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.
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B. The bill will go into effect after July 1st. Anything currently running or released before then will be unaffected but newly released series/games will be under scrutiny.
Industries that are built upon the fictional depiction of the exploitation of children will collapse? Yea, I can live with that.Irridium said:
If only because it would force them to do something besides produce wank material. I don't mind that some portion of a given industry endeavors to fulfill this need but if such a substantial portion is working on this sort of thing then it desperately needs a clearing out. I'm quite sure there are concepts that can be explored in manga and anime that do not involve sex, sexual acts, children committing sexual acts, children having sexual acts forced upon them, violence, ultra violence, and the same being committed both by and against children.
This is not because I think there is something inherently wrong with such things. I'm not terribly inclined to accept the arguments that even tangential harm is being done as a result. Rather, this is simply because if an industry is utterly saturated with one kind of thing I have no sympathy when it collapses for any reason.
I'd like to quote this for emphasis. Censoring ideas is bad. Anything of a fictional nature is in essence an idea.WolfEdge said:
The industry is gonna be crippled because the bill is worded so vaguely that anything the government finds offensive can be pulled. It's not because there's going to be a severe lack of loli. :/Eclectic Dreck said:
Why am I getting a weird deja vu vibe here? This reminds me somewhat of the whole spiel going on with California and its attempts to regulate video games.
I don't know where I stand on this. On one had I'm one of those people who feels that whatever your fetish is, so long as it isn't hurting others, I don't care. But lolicon pushes the boundary towards pedophilia. So I don't know. The fact that its vague on what's "bad" isn't that good though. That gives officials room to start banning things that I have no qualms about. Then you start to get into cultural repression and things just go down here. Plus isn't it the fact that penises weren't allowed to be shown in certain forms of Japanese media that now we have the whole tentacle-rape fetish. Same with the obsession with panties. Can't show the female genitalia, so we'll show the next closest thing (literally). This might just cause similar effects.
I don't know where I stand on this. On one had I'm one of those people who feels that whatever your fetish is, so long as it isn't hurting others, I don't care. But lolicon pushes the boundary towards pedophilia. So I don't know. The fact that its vague on what's "bad" isn't that good though. That gives officials room to start banning things that I have no qualms about. Then you start to get into cultural repression and things just go down here. Plus isn't it the fact that penises weren't allowed to be shown in certain forms of Japanese media that now we have the whole tentacle-rape fetish. Same with the obsession with panties. Can't show the female genitalia, so we'll show the next closest thing (literally). This might just cause similar effects.
Like this bill will stop anything. This is banning a pretty big part of modern japanese-anime culture, anywho.
I'm really indifferent on this subject. I barely know anything about loli besides the fact that they all look like cartoon dolls with huge eyes.
I'm really indifferent on this subject. I barely know anything about loli besides the fact that they all look like cartoon dolls with huge eyes.
I have a feeling I'm gonna get flak but,
WHY DO ALL OF YOU HATE LOLI?
LOLI NEVER DID ANYTHING TO YOU.
On a more manic note, WHY JAPAN WHY? YOU HAVE TEH BEST LOLI!!!
I'M COMING TO SAVE YOU, LOLIS!!! ε=ε=ε=┌(;*´Д`)ﾉ
WHY DO ALL OF YOU HATE LOLI?
LOLI NEVER DID ANYTHING TO YOU.
On a more manic note, WHY JAPAN WHY? YOU HAVE TEH BEST LOLI!!!
I'M COMING TO SAVE YOU, LOLIS!!! ε=ε=ε=┌(;*´Д`)ﾉ
There's nothing wrong with loli.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it should be banned.
People have the right to get off on whatever they please, as long as it causes no harm.
And don't give me the "it does cause harm, it facilitates paedophilia" bullshit.
Violent video games, movies, and literature don't cause violent crime, therefore loli does not cause paedophilia.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it should be banned.
People have the right to get off on whatever they please, as long as it causes no harm.
And don't give me the "it does cause harm, it facilitates paedophilia" bullshit.
Violent video games, movies, and literature don't cause violent crime, therefore loli does not cause paedophilia.
Does that mean Spice and wolf might be crippled?
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Or Lucky Star? NOOOOOO!!!!!!
WE MUST BURN TOKYO!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Or Lucky Star? NOOOOOO!!!!!!
WE MUST BURN TOKYO!
I'm suddenly reminded of Iran's ban of sex in general...
Here's the thing people should be wary of. Every time something is "bad for kids" it's ultimately a form of censorship. EVERY TIME I hear that in the US, I'm reminded of how Mortal Kombat "caused violence among the youth" (^$#^ you too Lieberman!)
Ultimately, if the language were explicit and described EXACTLY what was banned, it really wouldn't be effective. Reason being? Loopholes. The more vague and threatening it is, the more it's going to be a pain in the ass for people that want to look at that stuff. Ultimately, you can't baby these people forever. If they look at the damn stuff, so long as they don't try to go out and do it, let them stay otaku.
Just... yeah, don't try this at or near home you sickos!
Here's the thing people should be wary of. Every time something is "bad for kids" it's ultimately a form of censorship. EVERY TIME I hear that in the US, I'm reminded of how Mortal Kombat "caused violence among the youth" (^$#^ you too Lieberman!)
Ultimately, if the language were explicit and described EXACTLY what was banned, it really wouldn't be effective. Reason being? Loopholes. The more vague and threatening it is, the more it's going to be a pain in the ass for people that want to look at that stuff. Ultimately, you can't baby these people forever. If they look at the damn stuff, so long as they don't try to go out and do it, let them stay otaku.
Just... yeah, don't try this at or near home you sickos!
Restriction of free speech? Try, regulation of a saturated market full of delinquents.Mortagog said:
