Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.

[SL33TBL1ND]

It's cartoons, not real people. If anything it's better to have loli since paedophiles won't be getting off to real kids.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Wont this just make this more taboo? And even more saught after? Seems like more a shoot in the foot rather than a step forward. Still, can't argue with it needing to be banned. Cp is still Cp, no matter how you dress it up. (Yes I see the joke in that statement)

If people fantasize enough about doing a 6 year old thier whole lives they may just well cut out the fantasize part, and take the next step.

 

[infinity_turtles]

The bill. Laws that have serious potential for abuse are bad laws.

News flash: all laws have the potential for abuse. when was the last time someone came up with a "fair and just" law

But some have more potential for abuse than others.

No, the criteria is much more vague than that. It was originally a vague anti-loli bill. Then they expanded it by a lot.

To expand on something means to include what was originally drafted, else it isn't an expansion but a re-draft. So if the anti-loli bill is still in there, if in some way or form the production of child porn in cartoon form will end then, I am still all for it.

It never specifies age restrictions, but it doesn't need to because of how much it covers. My point was that anti-loli wasn't the point of the bill anymore. The new point is to serve as morality police.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I don't agree with censorship, but I make an exception in the case of Loli.

In Canada, it is illegal to even be seen looking at child pornography. This law also covers the viewing of lolicon, as it is rendered an obscene image in our country.

So, I won't challenge peoples perceptions on whether looking at loli makes them a pedophile or not.
What I will question is this: what kind of a sick fuck would even think about making something that is a deplorable act in real life, into an exaggerated cartoon? Why does such a person even exist?

I'm speaking out of experience here. The number of pedophilia related arrests and stories I have heard about people living less than half an hour from my home disturbs me. And then I find out that there is a whole fucking genre dedicated to this type of shit for people to get off to?

What the fuck.

 

[LetalisK]

I'm confused. Is the argument against this that it's too vague or that children should have access to explicit material that include things like child rape?

I can see the former. But anyone who believes the latter is sick.

 

[BrassButtons]

there is a reason why there is a stigma attached to loli, otherwise it would be a wildly accepted by society like mainstream anime/cartoons are.

And D&D actually involves devil worship, because otherwise it would never have been looked down on by society, right?

You could argue the "it's not hurting anybody/nobody is getting violated" logic to voyeuristic pedophiles who snap pictures of young children when they sleep or placed in suggestive situations their young minds can't comprehend

No, you couldn't. Doing these things is a violation, whether the child can comprehend the actions or not.

You could argue that the difference is that one is real life, the other is a cartoon, but is depicting real-life criminal sexual activity as a cartoon make it exempt from being morally and ethically wrong?

Take the word 'sexual' out of that sentence. Do you still agree with it? Probably not--so why is fake criminal activity different from fake criminal sexual activity?

As for the rest, I think infinity_turtles hit the nail on the head.

 

[Tdc2182]

Im torn between whatever floats your boat, and "Gross".

 

[zidine100]

- Any character (no age restriction).
- In any manga, anime, or pictures (most likely including games).
- That feature sexual acts or sexual like acts that would be illegal in real life OR any sexual acts or sexual like acts between close relative who could not [legally] marry* if they were real AND
- Where the depiction / representation of the act is presented in an unjustifiably glorified or overly emphasized manner.
=> Is considered harmful to a minor?s mental health regarding sexuality, and therefore the Tokyo Metropolitan Government shall have the power to unilaterally restrict the material. where the sexual or sexual like act is considered to be excessively disrupting of social order (i.e. rape and anything else that could be deemed to be highly disruptive of social order.)

let me fill you in on something

* To note, the following marriages are forbidden under Japanese law.
1) Marrying to one?s self or anyone of the same sex. [Corrected on 2010/11/24.]

yeh.... you see where this is going now don't you, guess what masturbation h is illegal (if it is glorified(DEFINE GLORIFIED DAMN IT), also homosexuality hentai bye bye.

also on a side note

The Tokyo Metropolitan Government (TMG) already has the power to keep anything sexually stimulating out of the hands of minors.

so you can clearly see, what they claim (this is to protect minors) is utter bs.

so yes... i have a lot of gripes with this law, but on the plus side HOPEFULLY (hell can you define glorified and provide a cut of point, no it all just depends on what people are feeling at the time, you see) no more loli and screwed up things so im all to happy about that, so i think there are some obvious benefits, but the persecution of homosexuality is something... well.... bad.

source

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/anime-and-manga-more-harmful-than-tv-and-films-according-to-tokyo/

 

[TheNewDemoman]

No more loli?!??!?

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Im torn between whatever floats your boat, and "Gross".

Says the guy with the smoking baby avatar.
I'm not gonna lie, that is a awesome picture.

I guess it falls under whatever floats your boat.

 

[Naheal]

So... does this mean I won't get anymore loli? *sadface*

Or possibly Atlus games, should they decide to not bother making games now that they could be harshly regulated and probably banned.

Atlus published the Ogre Battle Saga. This would be bad, mate.

 

[OtherSideofSky]

This doesn't actually do anything to any of the insane, creepy porn a lot of people here are bringing up. That's already adults only and sold as such.
What this would actually do is let pretty much anything be blocked by censors in Tokyo because it's very vaguely worded in a lot of places. It also probably (it's REALLY vaguely worded) bans any depictions of homosexual relationships (including material that isn't sexually explicit).

If this was really intended to limit harmful material they wouldn't have removed the clause banning real child pornography, which they did.

 

[zidine100]

FBI wont show up at your door for some Japanese law...plus Lolis are legal in america..free speech of arts and wat not.

no infact they are not, at least to my knowledge from wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States

 

[tthor]

To be honest, i find that this won't help anything. To me the only reason why Japan is so fucked up as far as the porn industry is concerned is because of the law banning genitalia *it must be censored* on film, this makes it so, in a small way the Japanese are sexually repressed. If you could just see the genitalia, there would be less of a reason to have a girl being fucked in the blur by a giant octopus.

sexually repressed is putting it nicely. the laws put against pornography in the early 20th century severely fucked up this culture's view of sex, which is what led for the most part to many of the sick sexual fantasy in Japan, stuff like loli and tentacle rape (tho i don't feel like getting into specifically how these fetishes arose tonight,)

 

[WolfEdge]

While I don't disagree with you, OP, why doesn't Loli have a right to exist? Because you find it disgusting?

My sentiments exactly. I may not agree with the things that go on in the loli fandom, but I respect their rights to exist if, for no other reason, then because some people find it enjoyable. It's not like children are ACTUALLY being raped or whatever crazy-ass shit goes on.

The parallels between this and anti gaming sentiments are really quite striking. The only difference I can see is the type of idea being censored. And to those that fully support the bill being passed, what does that say about your reasoning involving gaming as a protected art form?

 

[Soviet Heavy]

While I don't disagree with you, OP, why doesn't Loli have a right to exist? Because you find it disgusting?

My sentiments exactly. I may not agree with the things that go on in the loli fandom, but I respect their rights to exist if, for no other reason, then because some people find it enjoyable. It's not like children are ACTUALLY being raped or whatever crazy-ass shit goes on.

But do you ever wonder: what kind of sick person would even consider making pornography off of children? Most of the ones I have heard of are in jail for it.
Why should a cartoon representation be exempt? Because it isn't real? Why is it even around?
What does this say about people who access it?

 

[Julianking93]

If you get turned on by playing black ops, some part of you would like to do it in real life.

If you get turned on by any particular type of porn, some part of you would like to do that in real life.

I see where you're going with that, but that's not true.

There's no part of me that wants to go out and kill people and there's no part of me that wants to have sex with little kids.

That rule of yours may apply to others, but not to me.

 

[The Lunatic]

Thinks intended for adults being forced to only be sold to adults?

Not the worst thing in the world.

As for Loli...

Well, it's animated child porn, I can't say I regard it much differently as I do the real thing.

Should it be illegal?

Hmm. Hard to say.

Restrictions, probably the best way.