Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.

[Gigaguy64]

Oh yea, the Anime/Manga industry is ruined, because its not like the Anime/Manga studios can MOVE away from Tokyo.

And come on guys....READ.
Its not BANNED.
This stuff will still be made, its just gonna be in the AO section.
Though because it cant be sold to minors anymore i don't think as much will be made.

 

[FlashHero]

No more lolis...dammit...no money in them at all now...i wish i could draw but stick figures just aren't right and seem wrong.

 

[bushwhacker2k]

TBH, I find that I don't really connect most of what I like of anime with reality. This may sound normal, but for example: I enjoy loli styled anime for the most part, because I like the cute nature BUT I have never had any interest and will likely never have any sexual interest in real little girls.

But on the flip-side, there are some things I DO feel could impact people badly, such as rape-games. I may be entering the 'games made me do it' category, which is dangerous ground but I don't think rape is okay in any format, and as much as I think violent video games aren't to blame for violent behavior, I get the feeling that if you spend your days and nights doing nothing but watch rape hentai and playing rape games that you aren't going to be against it. Which is a bad thing.

 

[Julianking93]

"I may look at loli hentai every now and then, but that doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to real underage people." It still means your a subclass of pedophile though, don't deny it.

Um, yes, I do deny it because I'm not a paedophile. I don't want to have sex with underage anyone. I'm not looking at real child pornography. It's a fucking picture.

 

[Julianking93]

"I may look at loli hentai every now and then, but that doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to real underage people." It still means your a subclass of pedophile though, don't deny it.

Um, yes, I do deny it because I'm not a paedophile. I don't want to have sex with underage anyone. I'm not looking at real child pornography. It's a fucking picture.

Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against it, i'm just saying.

Yeah, I see what you're saying and while it can apply to some people, it doesn't apply to everyone.

Not everything that people do with literature, film or games is applicable to what they do in real life.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

"I may look at loli hentai every now and then, but that doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to real underage people." It still means your a subclass of pedophile though, don't deny it.

Um, yes, I do deny it because I'm not a paedophile. I don't want to have sex with underage anyone. I'm not looking at real child pornography. It's a fucking picture.

Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against it, i'm just saying.

I'm sorry, but that's not "just saying." That's accusing him of wanting to diddle underage people. Even if he doesn't do it, and doesn't want to do it. JulianKing is not Diddle Me Elmo. >.>

 

[Sacman]

So... does this mean I won't get anymore loli? *sadface*

Start downloading, store it on a flash drive and hope the FBI don't show up at your door because it doesn't go into affect until July...<.<

 

[infinity_turtles]

I agree that acting on a law with a blanket term "harmful" will have wider consequences that people initially expect BUT it is stated that any media falling under this term will get flagged to "unilaterally-appointed regulating body to decide if said depiction is 'unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated'." I personally think that's a fair deal. If something gets pulled up as "harmful" then it's not immediately getting scrapped, there is due process here. True that there isn't much stated in terms of criteria of assessment but the two examples that are given (depicting acts that are illegal in real life and "unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated") seem, logical and more importantly, justifiable.

I'd like to point out that the man appointing the members of this regulating committee said ?It?s not just about children. We?ve got homosexuals casually appearing on even television."

 

[Julianking93]

So... does this mean I won't get anymore loli? *sadface*

Start downloading, store it on a flash drive and hope the FBI don't show up at your door because it doesn't go into affect until July...<.<

I'll have to do that, thank you for the suggestion :3

 

[AceAngel]

...what the hell is the point?

So alot less Fan-service and 13 year old girls, with breasts the size of pregnant women who go to school and flirt with twins for a 'innuendo' gangbang?

Technically, if they have breasts the size of a pregnant woman's, they're not loli anymore. Just saying.

And I'm just saying 13 year old girls don't have breasts the size of women who just gave birth...

Fan-service such as Marcus Fenix showing up in an episode of Naruto is fine, but having Primary School and High School girls with massive bonkers and who straddle around in mini-skirts while wearing lip-gloss is...well, kinda uncalled for.

This is law isn't Loli-only-related, it's much larger then that, although still kinda vague as to the 'harmful' things that it will take into account.

 

[jackknife402]

What? So Japan doesn't mean to turn ever 12-16 year old pedos by the age of 20 anymore? That's a shocker. And a great strike for mankind....now if only I hadn't discovered loli shit when I was a teenager....perhaps I wouldn't be as fucked up as I am.

 

[FlashHero]

So... does this mean I won't get anymore loli? *sadface*

Start downloading, store it on a flash drive and hope the FBI don't show up at your door because it doesn't go into affect until July...<.<

I'll have to do that, thank you for the suggestion :3

FBI wont show up at your door for some Japanese law...plus Lolis are legal in america..free speech of arts and wat not.

EDIT: by that I mean the drawn kind of not real people of course.

 

[Weaver]

I'm of the opinion that no drawing, no matter what it depicts, should be made illegal.
But then again I'm apparently a liberal hippy because I don't bathe myself in biblical morals and the wild world of corporatism.

Regardless if that many people in Japan are into this stuff, I'd imagine it's going to be about as effective as prohibition.

 

[Irridium]

You do realize that this will essentially cripple the japanese anime, manga, and games industries, right?

If there's an anime, manga, or game you like, chances are it'll be either banned or discontinued due to fear of being regulated under this law. Even if they would be safe.

Yes it is restricted to Tokyo, but the fact this is happening at all is just ridiculous. I'm against child-porn and all that, but banning all forms of sex/porn is just ridiculous. Under very vague terms no less.

Also, why is it only going after anime/manga/games? So they're saying real sex with real people is fine, but fake sex isn't?

All this "think of the children!" bullshit needs to stop.

I agree that acting on a law with a blanket term "harmful" will have wider consequences that people initially expect BUT it is stated that any media falling under this term will get flagged to "unilaterally-appointed regulating body to decide if said depiction is 'unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated'." I personally think that's a fair deal. If something gets pulled up as "harmful" then it's not immediately getting scrapped, there is due process here. True that there isn't much stated in terms of criteria of assessment but the two examples that are given (depicting acts that are illegal in real life and "unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated") seem, logical and more importantly, justifiable.

I don't see if you are making an anime..like say, Full Metal Alchemist, how the creators will have anything to be worried about. If it's safe, it's safe. If it isn't safe, edit it. This new law will just make people respect commonsense a bit more. Don't put illegal/gratuitous sexual acts in anime or games. It's about time the word 'tactful' got thrown around, be it only only in the streets of Tokyo.

Also what do you mean "only going after anime/manga/games" Is Japanese film and television showing loli porn as well? If so then yes, I would imaging the bill will apply to them as well. As for real sex with real people..yes, I do believe that's legal..ergo, its fine.

And I don't really think this is "think of the children!" bullshit. It's more "stop with the loli porn alrady, for fuck sake!"

Regulating/banning something that is illegal in real life. Ok, I can understand that.
Regulating/banning something thats deemed "unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated" however, is a very broad term that means many things to many people. Plus, its all targeting whats essentially cartoons. As in things made for a specific set of people. Nobody is getting hurt, nobody is getting violated, its a damn cartoon and getting all worked up about it is just stupid.

Plus this will all be decided by a group of people who'll be influenced by the mayor. The same mayor who, as the article showed, doesn't seem to be the most reasonable person when it comes to people with varying sexual preferences.

And if it was more of "stop with the loli porn", it wouldn't have been changed from "stop with the loli porn" to "stop all "harmful" stuff shown in anime/manga/games. And why would they do this? To protect adults from seeing images of sex? Highly doubtful.

 

[jackknife402]

A censorship of any kind of written media is and will always be a bad thing. The law doesn't make any differences between what you like and dislike. This law allows an EXTREMELY corrupt group of retired old bureaucrats to determine whether or not any manga, anime or video game is "healthy". The only stipulation that is explicitly stated in the law is anything that depicts or encourages violation of the law. They can have any manga, anime or video game with scenes involving illegal acts be labelled 18+ or removed, which is a guaranteed rejection from your publisher either way. This law is so vague that it lets them interpret it to such an incredible extent, and it's already striking a TON of Seinen manga not directed at children. Any one of you reading Gantz, Berserk, Vagabond, Zetman, Vinland Saga or any other currently published Seinen, are liable to feel the effects immediately.

Sooner or later this will have a massive impact on Japan's already weakening economy, and these old fools will change their minds.

So you really don't think reading this sort of smut changes the views on others eh? I remember when I was a wee lad...I used to looked at straight, normal porn, just a pair of peeps going at it. Now after discovering this perversion in my teens from a friend, I can't stop looking for similar tastes. I'm weening myself off of it now, but I feel morally destroyed due to such perversions on my young mind.

Same thing with violence, but a violent video game back in my day and ones they put together today are a whole different thing, but I feel like hardly anything shocks me visually anymore, which scares me. I don't feel human. The reactions I see others have....I just don't have them.

You can't say this shit doesn't do harm to anyone...it takes away real humanity; the ability to care. And I despise you for having an anarchical view on life.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

I agree that acting on a law with a blanket term "harmful" will have wider consequences that people initially expect BUT it is stated that any media falling under this term will get flagged to "unilaterally-appointed regulating body to decide if said depiction is 'unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated'." I personally think that's a fair deal. If something gets pulled up as "harmful" then it's not immediately getting scrapped, there is due process here. True that there isn't much stated in terms of criteria of assessment but the two examples that are given (depicting acts that are illegal in real life and "unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated") seem, logical and more importantly, justifiable.

I'd like to point out that the man appointing the members of this regulating committee said ?It?s not just about children. We?ve got homosexuals casually appearing on even television."

Look I am not saying there is no ethical problem here, it's a minefield of censorship laws, right to self-expression and freedom of speech and all that BUT if the man in charge is homophobic is that the fault of the bill or the man?

I am arguing that there is justification for the bill and (for now) the criteria for censorship of what is essentially child pornography. If he starts tainting the bill with his anti-gay propaganda..then we have a problem. What I don't have a problem with is the removal of child porn from anime/hentai.

 

[TeeBs]

To be honest, i find that this won't help anything. To me the only reason why Japan is so fucked up as far as the porn industry is concerned is because of the law banning genitalia *it must be censored* on film, this makes it so, in a small way the Japanese are sexually repressed. If you could just see the genitalia, there would be less of a reason to have a girl being fucked in the blur by a giant octopus.

What is this?

The law governing the censorship of genitalia and the theorised sexual repression gained thereof is not only irrelevant with regards to the producing and distribution of loli porn but also..I find it hard to believe that even without visible genitals that sexual repression is a rampant problem in japan. A plethora of uncensored Japanese and western porn is freely available on the interblags!

I probably should have stated that this is only my theory, but I would imagine that a law, even if minor would have that effect.

Though I have been corrected in a earlier comment stating that such pornographic material existed before movies.