Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.

[Krythe]

I honestly can't stomach this sick shit myself, but when you start banning or censoring books/art/printed material, you're really getting into inquisition mode.

Free transfer and possession of information is the keystone of western civilization.

Ideas are almost never harmful on their own. (Some exceptions, of course, like missile codes) Same goes for books and images, even images that appeal to demented fantasies of 45-year old morbidly obese WoW-addicts.

So long as it doesn't give them instructions on how to actually DO any of this shit, there's no reason it should be banned.

 

[Grey_Focks]

yea, just gonna repeat what I said in the other topic about this...

huh. That's not good, though all you people saying "there goes Japan's economy" aren't really correct. Their primary exports are cars, electronic devices and computers, no anime or manga, though I imagine games do take up a percentage of "electronic devices".

Oh, and because I know you people love calling bullshit at every chance you get, here's my source. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e644.html

As for my personal opinion, yea, sucks for Japan, and unfortunately, people who like anime, manga, and Japanese games that can be considered bad for children. I'm not a fan of anime and manga, at all, though there are a couple games I will miss if this bill really sticks. Really though, Japan just needs to get it's shit straightened out. There are so many things fucked up with that country that have NOTHING to do with this that they just seem to be ignoring. I mean, FFS, they still hunt whales and dolphins!

 

[philosophicalbastard]

Well. I'd say its about time for the Japenese to rebel.

This shall be their rallying call:

 

[Julianking93]

Wait, Loli isn't underage females? Don't know much about anime.

yeah, that's what loli is.
Underage females or females who appear underage. Like my avatar. She's really a 700 (if I'm correct) year old princess trapped in the body of a 10 year old.

But just because I think that's cute or whatever doesn't mean I like real underage girls

 

[infinity_turtles]

I know some people might think this is prejudice. They'll think I'm a bigot who doesn't respect the rights of others. But really, fictional characters shouldn't have rights. Seriously, fuck fictional characters. In the ass with a spiked strap-on if you want. I don't care, they're fictional.

The only time doing something to a fictional character is wrong is if you have to harm a real person to do it. If you dress an eight year old up in a devil costume and then do the spiked strap-on thing, than yeah, you should be tortured to death. But otherwise? They can die in a fire. Hell, if they do it in an entertaining fashion I encourage it.

What if it's based off of a real person? :/

Than that falls under defamation of character or something similar I'd guess. They'd probably end up with the maximum penalty for it too.

 

[SwimmingRock]

Don't give a shit what its concerning, censorship = bullshit. Don't allow kids access to certain things, let adults look at whatever the hell they want. If there are people willing to produce it and people buy it, and it isn't hurting anyone, then there shouldn't be any laws concerning it.

I was ready to get all "righteous indignation" on this thread, but you pretty much covered all my bases except one: along with attempting to remove things from our lives, censorship takes away responsibility for peoples actions by simply deciding for us that certain things won't be seen/read/heard/whatever. I think government should have more faith in the people to decide this for themselves and people need to start taking more responsibility for the things they and their children are exposed to.

And it's always about protecting the damn children with these people. I'm never going to have kids, so why should these laws apply to me and my house?

 

[Serenegoose]

Kind of does infer it rather strongly.

Interesting. Do you play violent videogames? Are you prone to mass murdering outbursts?

 

[Julianking93]

Wait, Loli isn't underage females? Don't know much about anime.

yeah, that's what loli is.
Underage females or females who appear underage. Like my avatar. She's really a 700 (if I'm correct) year old princess trapped in the body of a 10 year old.

But just because I think that's cute or whatever doesn't mean I like real underage girls

Kind of does infer it rather strongly.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean anything.

Same goes with furries. Just because they like furry porn doesn't mean they want to go out and fuck a dog.

They just like the porn.

Or like how I enjoy playing Black Ops. Doesn't mean I want to go into the Black Ops and kill people. I just enjoy doing it in a game.

 

[NeutralDrow]

...what the hell is the point?

So alot less Fan-service and 13 year old girls, with breasts the size of pregnant women who go to school and flirt with twins for a 'innuendo' gangbang?

Technically, if they have breasts the size of a pregnant woman's, they're not loli anymore. Just saying.

 

[lacktheknack]

Don't give a shit what its concerning, censorship = bullshit. Don't allow kids access to certain things, let adults look at whatever the hell they want. If there are people willing to produce it and people buy it, and it isn't hurting anyone, then there shouldn't be any laws concerning it.

That's what they're doing... they're making it "adults only" and making it harder to get the stuff through. It doesn't mean it's going away.

 

[Lullabye]

Spoiler: *ahem*

My Loli! NOOOOOOOOOO!

Oh well. Finally recognized the softcore porn for what it is.

 

[justnotcricket]

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*runs away*

Haven't you heard of that before? It's the Alan Moore comic he wrote with his wife about the sexual adventures of Wendy from Peter Pan, Alice from Alice in Wonderland and Dorthy from Wizard of Oz :3

I have, I just couldn't stop thinking of the Nabokov's Lolita in graphic novel form, which made me run away because for all the complex tragedy of his situation and nature, Humbert has always just creeped me out. =P
Alan Moore's Lost Girls I don't have the same aversion to, because despite some of the difficult issues and circumstances dealt with therein, it never creeped me out in the same way as Humbert did!

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

I could be wrong, but doesn't loli also cover girls who are actually legal age, but look young? I guess it all depends on the animation style. It's kind of like Lucky Star, the girls there are all in highschool, but they look like they're in middle school.

...OK bad example, since they're still undersage, but I think you get my point. Who else...Washu from Tenchi Muyo, when she's not fully grown is legal age and then some but looks really young.

I suppose it really depends on what you're defining as "loli" since some of what that is nowadays is small breasts, if any at all, certain clothing styles, and things of that nature. It's like the whole "goth-loli" thing that Japan also has. It's a clothing style/general appearance thing. If you're going back to the origins of it, it's pretty much any underage girl because they're underage.

Not my thing personally, I can see where people would be disturbed about it. I suppose I don't really have a problem with it as long as the censorship involves characters/people that are actually underage. It's when you see people above the age of consent with people below the age of consent that things get bad quickly. Images...as long as they're not real underage people, I suppose there's no harm done, but most sites have strict rules about stuff like that. I know DeviantArt really cracked down on stuff like that a while back, and I kind of have to agree to some extent. I guess it depends on how well you can link looking at images and the commiting of a crime against the things depicted in the images.

 

[Serenegoose]

"I may look at loli hentai every now and then, but that doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to real underage people." It still means your a subclass of pedophile though, don't deny it.

Just like you're a subclass of mass murderer, don't deny it.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

To be honest, i find that this won't help anything. To me the only reason why Japan is so fucked up as far as the porn industry is concerned is because of the law banning genitalia *it must be censored* on film, this makes it so, in a small way the Japanese are sexually repressed. If you could just see the genitalia, there would be less of a reason to have a girl being fucked in the blur by a giant octopus.

What is this?

The law governing the censorship of genitalia and the theorised sexual repression gained thereof is not only irrelevant with regards to the producing and distribution of loli porn but also..I find it hard to believe that even without visible genitals that sexual repression is a rampant problem in japan. A plethora of uncensored Japanese and western porn is freely available on the interblags!

You do realize that this will essentially cripple the japanese anime, manga, and games industries, right?

If there's an anime, manga, or game you like, chances are it'll be either banned or discontinued due to fear of being regulated under this law. Even if they would be safe.

Yes it is restricted to Tokyo, but the fact this is happening at all is just ridiculous. I'm against child-porn and all that, but banning all forms of sex/porn is just ridiculous. Under very vague terms no less.

Also, why is it only going after anime/manga/games? So they're saying real sex with real people is fine, but fake sex isn't?

All this "think of the children!" bullshit needs to stop.

I agree that acting on a law with a blanket term "harmful" will have wider consequences that people initially expect BUT it is stated that any media falling under this term will get flagged to "unilaterally-appointed regulating body to decide if said depiction is 'unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated'." I personally think that's a fair deal. If something gets pulled up as "harmful" then it's not immediately getting scrapped, there is due process here. True that there isn't much stated in terms of criteria of assessment but the two examples that are given (depicting acts that are illegal in real life and "unjustifiably glorified and exaggerated") seem, logical and more importantly, justifiable.

I don't see if you are making an anime..like say, Full Metal Alchemist, how the creators will have anything to be worried about. If it's safe, it's safe. If it isn't safe, edit it. This new law will just make people respect commonsense a bit more. Don't put illegal/gratuitous sexual acts in anime or games. It's about time the word 'tactful' got thrown around, be it only only in the streets of Tokyo.

Also what do you mean "only going after anime/manga/games" Is Japanese film and television showing loli porn as well? If so then yes, I would imaging the bill will apply to them as well. As for real sex with real people..yes, I do believe that's legal..ergo, its fine.

And I don't really think this is "think of the children!" bullshit. It's more "stop with the loli porn alrady, for fuck sake!"

 

[Grayjack]

Doesn't this affect pretty much anything considered "harmful" to children? Goodbye Higurashi/Uminkeo, Elfen Lied, and Hellsing! Nice knowing you!

 

[Normalgamer]

"I may look at loli hentai every now and then, but that doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to real underage people." It still means your a subclass of pedophile though, don't deny it.

Just like you're a subclass of mass murderer, don't deny it.

The pedophilia card eh? I honestly doubt JulianKing is pedo, but even if he is, atleast it's not real, living things right? I think that's the main idea I'm trying to get too, yes some people such as you and I don't dig little girls, but if there are people out there who do, atleast they aren't roaming the street in vans.