Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.
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The article clearly states that the items won't be banned, but moved into the adult section. So why are you saying banning eh? You're just another person trying to claim they're taking rights away from you, when they are not, they're merely trying to determine what sort of material is age-justified.llagrok said:
So you're seriously trying to claim that looking at nonconventional drawings morphs people into unfeeling blobs?jackknife402 said:
You might not have the mental capacity to understand and comprehend what you're looking at, but the majority of the world does. If looking at hentai or playing violent video games had the same effect on *everyone* that you claim it did on you...The world would be a MUCH different place.
I'm not saying this to be a *****. You need to realize that different people handle things differently, and you CANNOT dictate what happens to everyone based on one person's experiences. Especially one person who appears to have gone into the scene not knowing what to expect and promptly let themselves get carried away.
If pro wrestling were on the chopping block, wrestling fans would likely compare it to Hamlet or Swan Lake. It's natural they're going to try and throw in these associations.ajemas said:
Or maybe because real sex has been addressed, that's a ridiculous falsehood?Irridium said:
Absolutely wretched this bill is.ajemas said:
It is an attack on personal liberties, no matter how you look at it. If a person wishes to create loli hentai, or wishes to view loli hentai, they have every goddamn right to. It does not matter how to depraved or obscene it is. It does not matter whether it has any kind of merit or value. All that matters is that people are free to do as they please.
No, that was only refering to the violence part, which for some reason I stuck in there just as another example. The part about this stuff, turns me into a perverted bastard.SadisticPretzel said:
I predict this will not make Japan any less fucked up. It'll just push that stuff underground. You'll still be able to find it easily on the internet.
That is debatable at best. I am not going Dr.Phil here, but there is a reason why there is a stigma attached to loli, otherwise it would be a wildly accepted by society like mainstream anime/cartoons are. You could argue the "it's not hurting anybody/nobody is getting violated" logic to voyeuristic pedophiles who snap pictures of young children when they sleep or placed in suggestive situations their young minds can't comprehend but they don't get away with that shit! They are put behind bars and neighborhoods are forewarned of their presence if and when they ever get out of prison.Irridium said:
You could argue that the difference is that one is real life, the other is a cartoon, but is depicting real-life criminal sexual activity as a cartoon make it exempt from being morally and ethically wrong? Exempt from the same laws? Have you considered who the target demographic of loli porn subscribers are? Have you considered why some may specifically need loli porn? Do you really believe that no one is getting hurt by these kinds of people or in the very least, there is an elevated risk?
Would you honestly leave your son, daughter, brother or sister with someone you knew who rubs one out to loli porn? I wouldn't! If you would, then you are a braver man than me.
Don't tell me no one get's hurt. That's a load of bullcrap
Well the bill isn't perfect, I'll give you that and neither is the big cheese that will oversee it. Does that still make the removal of loli porn a bad thing? No. It makes the guy a douche and the bill could use some clear-cut definitions, but that doesn't mean the bill is disgusting or the devil incarnate.Irridium said:
As for your last point, I can only speculate. I assume someone stated with "stop with the loli porn" and then someone else went "While we are at it, let's clamp down on other harmful stuff as well" Is this really bad? I suppose it depends on the context, but if they want to clean up Japan's image I won't complain.
The bill. Laws that have serious potential for abuse are bad laws.Kaboose the Moose said:
No, the criteria is much more vague than that. It was originally a vague anti-loli bill. Then they expanded it by a lot.Kaboose the Moose said:
Yes, that's exactly what it means, unless of course you keep the games you already have.Julianking93 said:
News flash: all laws have the potential for abuse. when was the last time someone came up with a "fair and just" lawinfinity_turtles said:
To expand on something means to include what was originally drafted, else it isn't an expansion but a re-draft. So if the anti-loli bill is still in there, if in some way or form the production of child porn in cartoon form will end then, I am still all for it.infinity_turtles said:
Fair enough I suppose. Not sure why I even bothered arguing about loli porn, since I don't even use it. Or care to be honest... Its just how it went from just this to everything else.Kaboose the Moose said:
Now on to what matters to me.
The bill states that this group of people will be able to ban whatever they deem "is harmful to youth" and similarly, the ban?s mention of ?rape and other sexual acts which violate societal norms?. While I'm fine with them banning rape, its the other part I take issue with. Particularly considering who's behind all this.
Right, and because I'm into BDSM I want to rape, torture, and enslave people. And I want to do so more than the people who watch this animated stuff obviously, since I do it with real people. Do you honestly believe that? That a fetish can't be satisfied without taking it to it's extreme? That situational factors, like having a willing participant in my case, or not harming anyone in lolis, might be a contributing factor of what someone's willing to do? Because it is.Kaboose the Moose said:
Not that I am familiar with how Japaneses legislation is processed or what steps are still waiting to be taken with this bill but I can only presume (and hope) that it sees a little refinement. Also I hope someone who is less of a douchebag will oversee the implementation of thisIrridium said: