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Alkarin

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well even if the official world language was English im sure a lot of countries would be PISSED because of their hate towards America. that's the main problem with switching it to English
 

TerribleTerryTate

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Variety is the spice of life. I love the fact going to a new country means a new culture and language. I'm going to guess you mean switch to English too? How would you feel if it was somehow decided we'd all have to speak Chinese, or Russian? I'm going to guess your opinion on a global language might change a bit.
 

GothmogII

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Humm...is English still considered lingua franca or has that changed? Either way...a two language system seems it could work okay, that is make it so that english/whatever the current lingua franca is, taught as a secondary language. Any others would be optional/tertiary.

However...you'd have to have some kind of unified educational system first, and that is the more massively different problem given what many people think on how to educate their children.

Alkarin said:
well even if the official world language was English im sure a lot of countries would be PISSED because of their hate towards America. that's the main problem with switching it to English
Uhuh...America being the most well known, and influential country in the known universe :p Sorry, I'm being snide. I think the bigger problem if you put the 'one world language' as the primary goal, is that many countries would see it as giving up a part of themselves.
 

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Alkarin said:
well even if the official world language was English im sure a lot of countries would be PISSED because of their hate towards America. that's the main problem with switching it to English
Why would people be pissed because of their hatred for America? Surely they'd hate England...or am I missing something.
 

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naftali1 said:
Azeban said:
(I've heard the major loss to culture as reason against this idea before, but it has never been explained what makes losing a language so culturally devastating.)
Losing a language could be religiously devastating more than culturally. For example, if Hebrew was lost there is no way to study the Torah because a Torah scroll has to be written in Hebrew.

Sure there are translated copies, but they lose a lot of meaning in translation. Each letter has it's own spiritual meaning that is lost.
Meh, I'm one of those nutjobs who believes that a really old book is not the secret to spirituality.

TerribleTerryTate said:
Variety is the spice of life. I love the fact going to a new country means a new culture and language. I'm going to guess you mean switch to English too? How would you feel if it was somehow decided we'd all have to speak Chinese, or Russian? I'm going to guess your opinion on a global language might change a bit.
Wow, you didn't read my post before commenting. Here's your cookie.
 

Alkarin

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Well most countries believe they are better than america and some just flat out despise America (Especially Middle eastern countries due to their religious views) and they would find it as Americanism being imposed upon them and they would have none of it.
 

Alkarin

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Azeban said:
naftali1 said:
Azeban said:
(I've heard the major loss to culture as reason against this idea before, but it has never been explained what makes losing a language so culturally devastating.)
Losing a language could be religiously devastating more than culturally. For example, if Hebrew was lost there is no way to study the Torah because a Torah scroll has to be written in Hebrew.

Sure there are translated copies, but they lose a lot of meaning in translation. Each letter has it's own spiritual meaning that is lost.
Meh, I'm one of those nutjobs who believes that a really old book is not the secret to spirituality.
yea pretty sure it doesnt lose 'meaning' when its translated. otherwise thats like saying 'if you read a bible in english not latin you arent as christian as i am'
 

ZenMonkey47

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Honestly, I think there should be a universal trade language. Not to completely eradicate all languages but 1, but rather a second language that EVERYBODY knows.

I'd endorse Esperanto as the universal second language, but to be honest I don't know enough about it. But whatever it is, it should have RULES THAT WORK 100% OF THE TIME. None of this "I before E, except if it's one of the many MANY examples where it isn't" crap.

Life would be so much easier. All movies and games would have native language mode and universal secondary language subtitles so none of this "waiting 2 years for it to be translated" and heck, since everyone speaks it anyway we wouldn't even need translators. Not to mention the benefits to travel, business and politics.
 

TerribleTerryTate

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Alkarin said:
Well most countries believe they are better than america and some just flat out despise America (Especially Middle eastern countries due to their religious views) and they would find it as Americanism being imposed upon them and they would have none of it.
Hold on...I won't disagree that many countries don't exactly love America. However, you'd be switching to English, not American. Surely the hatred would need to be focused on England for this to really be a problem. Unless of course, you're trying to say English was invented by America?
 

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Azeban said:
It seems awfully inefficient to have to learn how to express the same concept in multiple ways. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't English, because I recognize that many more people speak Mandarin.
Many languages have special words and meanings. Not everything is perfectly portable from language to language.

Having multiple languages doesn't always have concrete advantages. However there are exceptions.

The current lingua franca is English. The language "preference" came about due to many factors, mostly geographic, colonial, political and economic.

Arbitrary language specification would be pointless at this time. In my opinion geography/travel is not accessible/cheap enough for this measure to be fully effective.

Also English use is more widespread than Mandarin. International businesses usually often prefer employees with English experience.
 

Alkarin

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TerribleTerryTate said:
Alkarin said:
Well most countries believe they are better than america and some just flat out despise America (Especially Middle eastern countries due to their religious views) and they would find it as Americanism being imposed upon them and they would have none of it.
Hold on...I won't disagree that many countries don't exactly love America. However, you'd be switching to English, not American. Surely the hatred would need to be focused on England for this to really be a problem. Unless of course, you're trying to say English was invented by America?
no im saying most people arent that understanding about things and try to make up reasons to hate others more. its more of a scapegoat for violence then an actual insult in itself. afterall english is the offical language of the united states and people are going to refer it as biased towards them for whatever reasons
 

TerribleTerryTate

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Alkarin said:
TerribleTerryTate said:
Alkarin said:
Well most countries believe they are better than america and some just flat out despise America (Especially Middle eastern countries due to their religious views) and they would find it as Americanism being imposed upon them and they would have none of it.
Hold on...I won't disagree that many countries don't exactly love America. However, you'd be switching to English, not American. Surely the hatred would need to be focused on England for this to really be a problem. Unless of course, you're trying to say English was invented by America?
no im saying most people arent that understanding about things and try to make up reasons to hate others more. its more of a scapegoat for violence then an actual insult in itself
I couldn't agree more. I understand what you mean now. Good points.
 

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i would have to say english should be the official language of earth. seeing how all the aliens in the future speak it in movies we should all learn how to communicate with them.
 

takagi

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I think the best we can hope for is for one language to be used as an international language, while everyone learns their native tongue for local communication.......
 

Alkarin

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AntiAntagonist said:
Azeban said:
It seems awfully inefficient to have to learn how to express the same concept in multiple ways. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't English, because I recognize that many more people speak Mandarin.
Many languages have special words and meanings. Not everything is perfectly portable from language to language.

Having multiple languages doesn't always have concrete advantages. However there are exceptions.

The current lingua franca is English. The language "preference" came about due to many factors, mostly geographic, colonial, political and economic.

Arbitrary language specification would be pointless at this time. In my opinion geography/travel is not accessible/cheap enough for this measure to be fully effective.

Also English use is more widespread than Mandarin. International businesses usually often prefer employees with English experience.
well i believe they want english speakers more due to the fact that mostly westernized countries buy goods (well all countries do but you get my point) and they see more money out of dealing with capitalist countries then say communist china which speaks mandarin
 

Alkarin

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takagi said:
I think the best we can hope for is for one language to be used as an international language, while everyone learns their native tongue for local communication.......
yes i would assume so. but eventually have local languages deteriorate imo. and if anything to avoid further violence and arguments we should have scholars create a new language.
 

TerribleTerryTate

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Azeban said:
naftali1 said:
Azeban said:
(I've heard the major loss to culture as reason against this idea before, but it has never been explained what makes losing a language so culturally devastating.)
Losing a language could be religiously devastating more than culturally. For example, if Hebrew was lost there is no way to study the Torah because a Torah scroll has to be written in Hebrew.

Sure there are translated copies, but they lose a lot of meaning in translation. Each letter has it's own spiritual meaning that is lost.
Meh, I'm one of those nutjobs who believes that a really old book is not the secret to spirituality.

TerribleTerryTate said:
Variety is the spice of life. I love the fact going to a new country means a new culture and language. I'm going to guess you mean switch to English too? How would you feel if it was somehow decided we'd all have to speak Chinese, or Russian? I'm going to guess your opinion on a global language might change a bit.
Wow, you didn't read my post before commenting. Here's your cookie.
Thanks for the cookie. However, after re-reading your initial post I still stand by what I said. Plus, how would a single global language be attainable? Centuries of history, and to a certain extent culture would need to be overlooked and completely ignored for this to be a possibility.