Town forbids young people going out after 9pm without a parent or responsible person.

[Da Orky Man]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-18469957

So, the small university town of Bangor in North Wales is to implement a ban on Monday which will prevent anyone under 16 from being in the town centre after 9pm unless accompanied by a parent or responsible adult over 18. It will also give police powers to disperse groups of two or more people, regardless of age.
The civil liberties group Big Brother Watch is calling the order madness and likes it to "North Korea, not north Wales".

So, what do you think? Should this kind of thing be allowed, or are we getting just a bit close to Airstrip One here?

 

[DocBalance]

Wait, so it is illegal to be anywhere without a parent/responsible adult, but they're allowed to order groups of two or more people to disperse regardless of age?

I smell shenanigans.

 

[Scarim Coral]

HA! I lived near to that town!

Anyway it seen very unnecessary althought I don't visit that town at all (it doesn't got that many good shops and the roads over there are a nightmare to drive on) so I don't know how rowdy it can get over there at night. Surely it can't be as bad as other cities during night time.

 

[GistoftheFist]

Irregardless still isn't a word. :I

 

[Lionsfan]

Wait, so it is illegal to be anywhere without a parent/responsible adult, but they're allowed to order groups of two or more people to disperse regardless of age?

I smell shenanigans.

Did someone say shenanigans?


You're talking about Shenanigans right?

 

[Esotera]

Fairly sure this is a violation of human rights and the town will undergo a U-turn pretty soon on it for this reason or the media pressure. Whoever made this decision is very stupid because (1) the article seems to imply that they think most students in Bangor are under 16 and (2) people will just go out anyway and the police's time will be wasted dispersing kids when they could be stopping real crime.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Well that is a huge overreaction to the issue of antisocial behaviour.

I mean, in summer it's still light outside at 9p.m. Youth events will generally go on for longer than that, If that was enacted in my village I would have been arrested reguarly for having the gall to walk home from Boys Brigade, or Badminton practice!

I like how they say

However, North Wales Police said it would not apply to all youngsters, but instead only those who cause trouble.

So you won't be actually acting on this curfew for anyone who doesn't cause trouble. Which you would act on anyway, making the law pointless. Hurrah!

Kids that drink in public are going to ignore the curfew anyway, it will achieve nothing, and create a huge inconvienience for any family with a child that live in Bangor. Well done.

 

[CODE-D]

If 16 year olds are out and about past 9 it cant be any good.
Seriously its 9, go home.

 

[Da Orky Man]

So, the small university town of Bangor in North Wales is to implement a ban on Monday which will prevent anyone under 16 from being in the town centre after 9pm unless accompanied by a parent or responsible adult over 18.

Seems quite reasonable.

It will also give police powers to disperse groups of two or more people, regardless of age.

More details are required here. What EXACTLY are the legislative triggers and restrictions to invoke this power?

Look at the article, it has all the information I know of. It's the reason why i linked the article, so people could read it for themselves and prevent me from copy-pasting the while thing.
Yes, I know I'm being somewhat passive-aggressive.

 

[Quaxar]

Ah, I shall now be rewatching the Simpsons episode with the curfew, only pretending everybody spoke and sung in a Welsh accent.

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(why is this the only video of the song on youtube?)

And since I'm neither welsh nor underaged I think I can safely say ha-ha!

 

[Da Orky Man]

So, the small university town of Bangor in North Wales is to implement a ban on Monday which will prevent anyone under 16 from being in the town centre after 9pm unless accompanied by a parent or responsible adult over 18.

Seems quite reasonable.

It will also give police powers to disperse groups of two or more people, regardless of age.

More details are required here. What EXACTLY are the legislative triggers and restrictions to invoke this power?

Look at the article, it has all the information I know of. It's the reason why i linked the article, so people could read it for themselves and prevent me from copy-pasting the while thing.
Yes, I know I'm being somewhat passive-aggressive.

Then maybe you should have linked an article that said what you claimed. That's why I asked. The article you linked only refers to kids under 16.

Anything I claimed was covered by the article. After a bit of google-fu, this is all the information I have:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/16/bangor-bans-children-from_n_1602102.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/16/welsh-city-ban-under-16s
http://www.inooz.co.uk/article/view/929301/night-time-street-ban-for-children-of-bangor
http://newsdeskinternational.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/bangor-night-time-ban-on-young-criticised/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/children-banned-from-bangor-city-centre-886087
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9334757/North-Korea-or-Bangor-City-centre-curfew-on-all-under-16s.html
http://www.onenewspage.co.uk/n/UK/74rahdi4k/Welsh-city-imposes-night-time-ban-on-under.htm
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/06/16/lone-children-banned-from-bangor-city-centre-at-night-91466-31197151/

I can't find any specific reasons the police need to order a dispersal.
Is that enough links?

EDIT: Now i think i know wbhat you meant. the article quote is, "Officers will also be able to order groups of two or more people to disperse."
'People' not 'under 16s' indicate anybody can be ordered to disperse.

 

[TehCookie]

It will also give police powers to disperse groups of two or more people, regardless of age.

More details are required here. What EXACTLY are the legislative triggers and restrictions to invoke this power?

My city has had that rule for a while to cut down on gang violence, and it worked.

 

[Nash]

It will also give police powers to disperse groups of two or more people, regardless of age.

More details are required here. What EXACTLY are the legislative triggers and restrictions to invoke this power?

My city has had that rule for a while to cut down on gang violence, and it worked.

Somehow I can't see a Blood and/or Crips North Wales branch being established.

It's, quite frankly, a ridiculous thing for anybody under 16 to be in a town centre after nine anyway. All the shops are shut, they've got no chance of getting into pubs or clubs and all this will do is put more hassle on a police group that's already stretched far too thin in Britain.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

HAHAHAHA Thank god I live in South Wales then, Llanelli woooo.

*Cough* Anyway, this is shit, they should protest against that. Does the cinema count as a good reason?

 

[FFHAuthor]

I like how they say

However, North Wales Police said it would not apply to all youngsters, but instead only those who cause trouble.

So you won't be actually acting on this curfew for anyone who doesn't cause trouble. Which you would act on anyway, making the law pointless. Hurrah!

Kids that drink in public are going to ignore the curfew anyway, it will achieve nothing, and create a huge inconvienience for any family with a child that live in Bangor. Well done.

Ah yes, 'selective' enforcement, the thing that turns police from public servants into bullies with badges.

 

[Hazy992]

If 16 year olds are out and about past 9 it cant be any good.
Seriously its 9, go home.

Maybe but you should still have the right to be out at that time.