Stupid studio system.Fappy said:
MAKE NEW IPS! DO ANOTHER UP! YOU CAN DO MORE THAN SEQUELS PIXAR!
Toy Story 4 Coming 2017
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MAKE NEW IPS! DO ANOTHER UP! YOU CAN DO MORE THAN SEQUELS PIXAR!
when it was announced that the first full length CGI movie was going to be about a bunch of toys, I didn't think it would be any good.
When Pixar announced that a straight-to-DVD sequel was going be upgrading to a full theatrical release, I didn't think it would be any good.
When Pixar announced that after a decade of (mainly) original films, they were going to return to make a third film in the series, I didn't think it would be any good.
I genuinely don't think this will be any good for many of the reasons others have listed above, but
I'd be crazy if I hadn't started to notice a pattern though.
When Pixar announced that a straight-to-DVD sequel was going be upgrading to a full theatrical release, I didn't think it would be any good.
When Pixar announced that after a decade of (mainly) original films, they were going to return to make a third film in the series, I didn't think it would be any good.
I genuinely don't think this will be any good for many of the reasons others have listed above, but
I'd be crazy if I hadn't started to notice a pattern though.
For goodness sake. Why can no company let a franchise finish with a little dignity?
Oh yeah. Money to be made, because no matter how much we all moan about this, pretty much all of us are going to go watch the film. Because nostalgia.
Oh yeah. Money to be made, because no matter how much we all moan about this, pretty much all of us are going to go watch the film. Because nostalgia.
I'm sure, somehow, someway, this is entirely Cars 2's fault.
I'm still amazed that it used to be like this:
Pixar: Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Up
Dreamworks: Antz, Shark Tale, Shrek 3, Over the Hedge, Bee Movie
And now it's like this:
Pixar: Cars, Cars 2, Brave, Monsters University, Finding Dory
Dreamworks: How to Train Your Dragon, Rise of the Guardians, Kung Fu Panda 2, The Croods
Now, all the films have SOME merits, and opinions vary, but I used to adore Pixar and despise Dreamworks as doing nothing but copying Disney's success, and now Dreamworks made most of my favorite animated films while Pixar mostly copies their own prior success.
I'm still amazed that it used to be like this:
Pixar: Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Up
Dreamworks: Antz, Shark Tale, Shrek 3, Over the Hedge, Bee Movie
And now it's like this:
Pixar: Cars, Cars 2, Brave, Monsters University, Finding Dory
Dreamworks: How to Train Your Dragon, Rise of the Guardians, Kung Fu Panda 2, The Croods
Now, all the films have SOME merits, and opinions vary, but I used to adore Pixar and despise Dreamworks as doing nothing but copying Disney's success, and now Dreamworks made most of my favorite animated films while Pixar mostly copies their own prior success.
Well... there it goes
Pixar was the studio that created 3D feature films, and the best proponent to its era. Heck, the Academy even created an Oscar that should be named "because we wanted to give something to them". Now it seems like they are reduced to a shadow of their former self.
Goodnight, sweet prince. It was a good ride while it lasted.
Pixar was the studio that created 3D feature films, and the best proponent to its era. Heck, the Academy even created an Oscar that should be named "because we wanted to give something to them". Now it seems like they are reduced to a shadow of their former self.
Goodnight, sweet prince. It was a good ride while it lasted.
I'm still the only fucker on this site that likes Cars I see, right, cool, good to know.
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I am looking forward to the second Incredibles movie, if there was one film Pixar could make a decent franchise of it was that one.
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Come on man, all I ever see is people shizz over these films. I'll admit that they're not perfect but kids love them and they're not spreading bad morals, I do not get peoples beef with them.Trishbot said:
I am looking forward to the second Incredibles movie, if there was one film Pixar could make a decent franchise of it was that one.
Uh, really? You sure you couldn't do a new movie? I mean, I'm grateful for another Toy Story, but I don't remember crying out for one.
On the one hand, this really doesn't need a sequel. But on the other hand, it didn't need a sequel the first or second time either, and those both turned out pretty awesome.
The only real problem I can see is that to date, Pixar have made a total of just 4 sequels. Three of those were in their last four films. Those last four films also happen to contain three of their four worst reviewed films. Now, 4 of their next 6 known films are sequels, including yet another one for Cars, by far their worst received but best for merchandise franchise. So while seeing another Toy Story doesn't sound terrible in isolation, there really does seem to be a bit of an unfortunate pattern forming.
Also rather unfortunately, while making sure the numbers above were correct I was forced to notice when various Pixar films were released. Goddammit time, stop making me feel old.
The only real problem I can see is that to date, Pixar have made a total of just 4 sequels. Three of those were in their last four films. Those last four films also happen to contain three of their four worst reviewed films. Now, 4 of their next 6 known films are sequels, including yet another one for Cars, by far their worst received but best for merchandise franchise. So while seeing another Toy Story doesn't sound terrible in isolation, there really does seem to be a bit of an unfortunate pattern forming.
Also rather unfortunately, while making sure the numbers above were correct I was forced to notice when various Pixar films were released. Goddammit time, stop making me feel old.
It's basically a problem with expectations. Pixar films have mostly been adult films presented in a way that also appeals to children. Finding Nemo follows a single father struggling to connect with his only child. Up is about an elderly widower dealing with property issues and the memories of his dead wife. Monsters Inc deals with job security and ethics. Wall-E is about environmentalism, consumerism, complacency, and so on. The Incredibles is about a couple coming to terms with maturity as they are forced to stop gallivanting around as they used to and deal with jobs, houses, and raising children. And so on. Largely presented in a light-hearted, entertaining way, and with plenty of sub-themes aimed at other age groups, but they're very much adult films.PunkRex said:
Cars, on the other hand, is a kids film pure and simple. As you say it's not really a bad one, it's just that where people expected another adult-themed Pixar film they instead got a kid-themed Disney one. Not coincidentally, Cars 2, Brave and Monsters University are all similarly child-oriented films, and together with the first Cars make up the four worst reviewed Pixar films I mentioned above. Interestingly, I'd consider A Bugs Life to be exactly the same, and actually the worst Pixar film by far, but it actually had pretty decent reviews. Being only the second Pixar film, it's entirely possible that that's simply because the expectations weren't there and people were happy to see nothing more than a silly animated children's film.
Well, James Bond springs to mind.BigTuk said:
Planet of The Apes might just about count.
X-Men.
Star Trek.
And I'd argue the MCU movies constitute a single franchise to some extent.
(I haven't seen any The Fast and the Furious but I understand there's some pretty good late ones of those too)
What has happened to Pixar since Up!? Why? Why do all these sequels to your films. With the exception of Toy Story 3, Pixar seems to be increasingly messy at this point. I don't even know if I can be hopeful for The Incredibles 2.
Time to eat ice cream and sob, I'm not sure if I mean that literally yet.
Time to eat ice cream and sob, I'm not sure if I mean that literally yet.
Moving the goalposts a little with the children-centric bit - how many children's franchises even are there? For what it's worth, I thought Shrek 4 wasn't bad - certainly better then Shrek 3 which was unspeakably awful. And the Muppets Christmas Carol is pretty good (I just checked, its IMDB rating is about the same as the first two movies)BigTuk said:
And sorry, I won't accept your knockback on Star Trek or on X-Men. I agree, the third installment of both was crap, that wasn't your original challenge. But Star Trek 4 is widely regarded as one of the high points of the series, and both Undiscovered Country and First Contact are well up to the standard of the earlier films. As for X-Men, First Class and Days of Future Past are both rated higher than either X-Men or X-Men 2.
