How is it more of a JRPG approach than any other cinematic trailer any other RPG developer has done? It doesn't look any more of a JRPG approach than other DA:O trailers.Yureina said:
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yeah, i lost respect for DA:O when i saw armor used which has been done so many games before, and swords, and magic, and RPG, and elfs, and females, and dragonsTherumancer said:
I realize that the changes being made have generated a lot of outcry but how about we calm the fuck down and wait for the game to be released before judging it.
OT: The trailer was generic but it DID have pretty effects!
OT: The trailer was generic but it DID have pretty effects!
http://www.gamepro.com/article/previews/216168/gamescom-2010-dragon-age-2-preview/
Don't know if this link will confirm or relieve fears about the sequel
Don't know if this link will confirm or relieve fears about the sequel
All sarcasm aside, a bit part of my overall point is that we're giving up the customization and options that made "Dragon Age: Origins". This paticular clique is being used to "justify" why when it's not nessicary.Mr Ink 5000 said:
The point is not only that it's stereotypical, but seems to be dumbing down the game quite a bit.
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Also for the guy who talked about the magic system, I would point out that this is a cinematic, not gameplay footage. I'm sure the magic will look better given the recent development, but I very much doubt it will look like it does in that trailer.
Dammmmmmmn, that trailer was good.
I though Hawke was weilding a spear at first which would have been awesome.
I though Hawke was weilding a spear at first which would have been awesome.
And I was thinking this because no DLC coming out for Origins has had the rest of Morrigans story in it as Bioware said they would. Also the voice for the trailer is Flemeth so that would also make sense.Dreey said:
It seems that Bioware made Dragon Age *ORIGINS* into mass effect with swords and darkspawn/giant demon hands. But I like mass effect I'm just disappointed they took the origins out.
Hawke is not Morrigan's kid. This has been stated at least twice a freaking page now. HAWKE! IS! NOT! MORRIGAN'S CHILD! THEY! HAVE! NO! RELATION! TO! ONE! ANOTHER! GET! THIS! THROUGH! YOUR! NON! ABSORBENT! SKULLS!Bigsmith said:
I'm sorry for the caps lock, but how many gorram times does this need to be stated before it sticks!? Does Bioware need to go door to door to explain this!? How has it not sunk in yet!?
Thats par for the course at this stage isn't it? Granted this is unlikely to be an in-game cinematic, but most big/reveal traliers don't feature gameplay.Therumancer said:
That does not make it right, or a good thing.Knight Templar said:
If we as customers keep letting them shovel this crud to us, and sell us products blind, we're being pretty stupid. We need to be a lot more critical about how games are sold and what information is released beforehand so we can make informed purchusing desicians.
Being able to throw together a few minutes of cool looking cartoons does not mean that the game itself is any good. We can't tell crap from that trailer about how the magic system, combat system, or anything else works. Heck, we have no idea if the whole effect at the end even has a mechanic equivilent to it in game. It tells us nothing except the company wants us to think Hawke is cool, and of course they do because they want to sell the game.
... or basically, the entire thing is BS. How does a trailer like that educate me about the game in any way that makes me think it's worth my $50-$60? Truthfully, it surprises me that more people aren't criticizing this kind of thing, and that anyone can just lay back and say "ah well, it's par from the course".
It's sort of like the DCU cinematic advertisement, we watch a five minute or so, extremely generic (nowadays) "Let's kill off the JLA, and then say it didn't happen due to time travel!" blurb that winds up telling me absolutly nothing about the game itself, what it look like in play, what the character I'm actually going to make and control is going to play like, or anything else.
At this point if there is no usable information, who really cares?
Going by what I've seen on "The Escapist" we have no indication that either "Dragon Age 2" or "DC Universe" actually even exist.... oh sure in these cases they probably do, but let's not forget that we saw advertisements for "Duke Nukem Forever" on several occasions, with the game due to come out "any month now" spaced out over a decade. Truthfully I could probably tell you more about what that famous piece of Vapourware was supposed to play like from the faux-game footage and alleged screenshots, than from either of the trailers I've mentioned here. The DNF non-team was at least smart enough to create something you'd think you should get hyped for.
an unexpected yet pleasant response; i think until we get the game none of us can give a final response. to me this reaks of the first DA:O trailer with a single grey warden going into the deep roads; it, gives away nothing.Therumancer said:
i think, and this is only my opinion, there is only so much room on a dvd, they're expanding the universe, n they're makin a DA Shepard. if I have a DA:O sized game, with a customazible style Shepard, i'll be happy, i realise others wont be happy but hopefully the graphic improvement will appease them
It's not supposed to, it's job is to attract attention.Therumancer said:
The game comes out in just under a year, I don't expect gameplay videos at this stage. That was what I meant by "par for the course". If the only videos they release are this kind then that's a problem, but they had the flashy "look at us" and the "here's how it works" stuff for DA:O.
There are "trailers" that serve to educate, this just isn't one of them. Has there ever been a reveal trailer that was about how things work?
This video isn't intended to make you understand the game, it's meant to make you interested. Non-fans go "hey cool" and fans start arguing about whether Hawk is a Reaver or Blood Mage.
I can pick out plenty of information from this video, little of it is gameplay though.
In the end the only thing that matters is gameplay.Knight Templar said:
Also the game is not coming out in "just under a year", it's coming out in March of next year that's 7 months, a little over half a year, and if it's like many games it's going to be "done" months before that (going by the rate at which hackers get their hands on things like this).
To put things into perspective over a year before the release of "Origins" I was looking at promotions using actual gameplay footage and scenes of combat and such, which is one of the reasons why I was looking forward to the game so intensely before it even had a release date. In this case we have one, and not even the most basic clue of what the combat looks like.
I will also say that 7 months is enough of a lead in where they could still in theory push the game up to say late 2011 instead of march of 2011 and do serious modifications to the game. It's not like the game is actually done a couple months before release and they are in the middle of having discs, boxes, and instruction manuals and such constructed and shipped to warehouses in preparations to be shipped to the other warehouses retailers use for their own distribution.
There is no chance the game won't be made, but it is possible that if enough people stood up firmly enough they could be made to take the time to restore the character customization a lot of people want. I mean anyone with half a brain knows that the "full voiceover" thing is complete BS since they could hire multiple voice actors to read the script a bit differantly like they did for "Saint's Row 2", and that would include the option of having elven and dwarven voices for example. A few additional areas to play through as differant origins before the character becomes a refugee could also be designed, and later elements could be tweaked.
Oh sure, there has never been a fan rally of quite that intensity, but I can always hope despite the unlikelyhood.
At the very least I'm not going to remain silent except for the occasional bleat like most of the other sheep who only deign to actually say anything after a game is released and they have already spent money on it.... a behavior which encourages the Koticks of this world.
Mr Ink 5000 said:
Well, "Dragon Age: Origins" succeeded with some dated graphics (which were criticized) because of the game play and customization. Those were the aspects of the game that impressed people.
When "Mass Effect 2" came out there was a ton of fan outrage which I think "Bioware" has not been considering over the fact that the game was dumbed down into a shooter compared to the first one. It went over well with a lot of people who were really into shooters, but not so well with the RPG and Action-RPG audience the game was directed at. A lot of those people who had not been following it online and purchused the game on faith due to the first one.
Among a lot of Bioware fans the response was kind of "well, at least we still have Dragon Age", however it seems that Bioware is misunderstanding their success with "Mass Effect 2" to some extent and has been trying to dumb down "Dragon Age" in hopes that this will increase it's sales. Like many companies it seems to be taking the attitude that there is always a lot of negative response, so they should ignore it all and focus only to the people praising them. A very, very, bad move given the quality of a lot of the complaints out there.
Now, we all do expect improved graphics, but those do not justify gutting the RPG gameplay people want from the series. Making your own character being the defining feature of "Dragon Age" compared to a lot of other RPGs that just hand you a predetermined character with very basic customizations. Simply being able to choose a race was a big deal because it's not something you see too often.
Bioware seems to be operating in damage control mode more than any kind of genuine consideration of it's fans, and there have been a LOT of complaints (which you can tell just by their responses). The excuses they have been making are by and large BS, connected to having a full voiceover for the protaganist and such, which anyone who has followed Anime or played "Saint's Row 2" can tell you. A full voiceover does NOT mean your limited to a single voice track/actor for the protaganist.
My big problem is that when the whole "Hawke" thing first came to light Bioware seemed to be sending out feelers to check fan response, they by and large got them bit off, and seem to be going into denial about the entire thing, and doing whatever they wanted to do, which defeated the entire purpose.
People, including Bioware itself, need to realize that games are created for the customers. We need to get the industry out of the attitude that we will buy anything they care to shovel in our direction. The people who are defending "Hawke" and even what they did with "Mass Effect 2" to me seem like the kind of fanboys who will devour anything put in front of them if a big company tells them it's good and pays enough reviewers to reinforce that... and that is exactly why guys like Bobby Kotick feel free to abuse the customers and behave like jerks because they rely on the fact that like a group of junkies we are going to come back for whatever he decides to sell us, and even if we complain that he started cutting our junk with baby powder and rat killer, we're still going to come back when we want a fix because we're addicts. That's kind of what the whole situation here is like, an obviously inferior product using a pre-made stock hero, glossed up with some voice acting, being thrown to the fans in the expectation we'll take it so we can all drool over the next "Bioware" game, because it's the next Bioware game.
Enough rambling, but the bottom line is that the entire thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.