Trailers: Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Purity First

[duchaked]

wow...and just when I was losing interest in the game, a damn good trailer
gotta say Purity First really made a great point in this PSA

 

[Funkysandwich]

That trailer was at lot better then I thought it would be.

Hopefully the game can live up to my cautiously high expectations.

 

[Disthron]

So dose cyberpunk automatically equle dystopian?

Not necessarily. For example, the universe of Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex is almost utopian. A good definition can be found at Cyberpunk Review [http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/what-is-cyberpunk/]. In short: "cyberpunk is about expressing (often dark) ideas about human nature, technology and their respective combination in the near future."

I almost forgut about that franchise. Though I'm not sure if I'd say it was Utopian. It seemed more regular to me. Not perfect but at the same time not a huge pile of crap ether. It also seems to be the exeption, as opposed to the rule. Your definition even confirms this.

 

[Sonicron]

Damn you, Eidos. Stop chipping away at my resolve to not blindly buy a game from a franchise I have no personal experience with.

 

[Don Reba]

I almost forgut about that franchise. Though I'm not sure if I'd say it was Utopian. It seemed more regular to me. Not perfect but at the same time not a huge pile of crap ether. It also seems to be the exeption, as opposed to the rule. Your definition even confirms this.

GITS: SAC has one of the brighter visions of technology, presenting a future were people are more united and capable thanks to it. There are problems, of course, but without them there would be no story. Real Drive is even more saccharine. I think it is simply easier to play on fear of technology than on understanding.

 

[CFriis87]

A few points: firstly, I wasn't really addressing augmentation in Deus Ex, as that's a whole other world with its own rules. The discussion seemed to be more based around the idea of techno-augmentation in real life, so I wanted to make a few points that related that that specific issue, not just to Deus Ex. Therefore, Deus Ex may have hospitals that regularly treat people with mechanical limbs for free, but we have no reason to believe such places would exist in a real life situation.

So you're saying that you're adressing body augmentation in real life, as if it was implemented the exact same way as portrayed by these game trailers, but not as they are portrayed in the game or the trailers? That doesn't make sense.
If you're going to assume that body augmentation in real life is going to be like it is in the game then don't turn around and go the opposite way as soon as that assumption doesn't support your arguments anymore.

Your point about how the game addresses the tactile issue doesn't actually challenge my argument. If anything, it reinforces it.

I know that, I was actually supporting that one argument of yours with extra knowledge that you might not have had. My intent was not to indiscriminately tear you down, just to inform you of the things you got wrong or where you might have been misinformed.

Believe it or not, most people who have broken a limb manage to go their whole lives without ever breaking it again. While it takes a while (15-18 months) most bones in most cases do grow back to their original strength. And my point was made more to highlight simply how incredible the human body is: our 'weak' limbs are able to do something that no mechanical limb can ever do. Heal. The fact that a broken arm can mend itself where a mechanical arm has to be fixed by specialists, for me, paints the natural arm by far in the more favourable light.

Sure a human limb might heal itself over time... but an augment can be fully repaired or replaced in a matter of hours/days. Human limbs usually need the help of specialists to heal too, so in my mind the augments are the obvious better choice.

And lastly, my point was not meant to say that the human body is literally perfect. My point is that the human body has evolved so that every part is working in absolute harmony. The skin lead to the nerves, which are attached to the nervous system, which relays information to the brain, which moves the muscles in response... it's possibly the best example in the natural world of hundreds and hundreds of different mechanisms all working together under one purpose, creating a unified whole. Every single part of your body has its purpose, and it has evolved to fulfil that purpose. That is something that no mechanical limb can ever replace. Your nervous system has evolved around the idea of having two arms and two legs packed full of muscles and nerve receptors with which to recieve information, as well as effect movement and change. It's silly to think that we can simply change that by adding robo-limbs, or indeed to think that by adding more brute 'strength' and 'speed' we've somehow improved on the design.

If a mechanical limb fulfills the same purpose as the original limb and even does it better, then how is that not an improvement on the design?
And if your only argument for why the human body as it is has been developed to where there can be no further improvements is that we have a working nervous system, then I'd say that's a very weak argument... seeing as pretty much every other living organism has that too.

And regarding your last point: I only ever learned biology up to GCSE standard. Hoever, I've always been interested in the body, and try to read up on it where and when I can. I admit my knowledge is less than fully comprehensive, but I'd still appreciate it if you left the condescending smart-ass attitude at the door.

Alright, I admit my attitude may have been less than desirable, however if you read up enough on the human body you will start to see some massive flaws in the design. And frankly your purist views seem alot like they're based on the same ground principles that religious groups use as a reason not to allow blood-transfusions or other medical practices on people who need them to live... basically the same "don't mess with what we've been given" argument.

 

[CFriis87]

So you're saying that you're adressing body augmentation in real life, as if it was implemented the exact same way as portrayed by these game trailers, but not as they are portrayed in the game or the trailers? That doesn't make sense.
If you're going to assume that body augmentation in real life is going to be like it is in the game then don't turn around and go the opposite way as soon as that assumption doesn't support your arguments anymore.

I was addressing a comment that was referring to the general, applicable idea of augmentation in real life. Deus Ex is far from the only piece of fiction to have ever touched on the idea in fiction.

I'm not... I'm commenting in a thread about a trailer for Deus Ex: Human Revolution depicting arguments against Augmentations as they are in Deus Ex: Human Revolution, set forth by a fictional group of terrorists from Deus Ex: Human Revolution. While the original post is very vague on the topic of the thread, I'm pretty sure it's about Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

 

[Slangeveld]

This really did get me hyped up a bit. :O

 

[Battenbergcake]

The imagery in this isoth beauitful and haunting.
I'm i the only one who's stomach began to churn at the thought of people literally falling appart on the streets, screaming for money to simply continue to exist?
Definately adds a new yer to Adam Jenson lookign at this and makes me wonder if he's going to turn out to have any free will at all at the plot's end. Still it's not like the world's gonna end it is a prequel afterall.

 

[Battenbergcake]

God damn, I almost wish it was a movie and not a game.

Go watch Blade Runner and Metropolis (the german expresionist film).
There you go you are, basically the pillars on which this premise is built on.

 

[BlackWolf100]

ehhh.... seem abit much saying that cybernetics is a bad thing or "playing god" nagativitcy. its seem similer to that morse guy who did sickco or capitalism a love story. but this ficional short seem abit pointless in some respeact, its still ok and i'll look more to play the game instead, besides. who don't want to be like robocop or the terminater when thaier limps or abilities are disabled.