Trailers: DmC: Devil May Cry - E3 Trailer

[CaptainMarvelous]

So just because of its predecessors fault, this game is allowed to make mistakes? What is even more ironic is that this is a re-imagining and have a chance to start a new.But what i have seen is anything but new.Excuse me but i fail to see the logic in this argument.

As for my swear heavy comment, at least i am not trying to sell it as a narrative experience.

I think the ironic part is that any changes they HAVE made are getting mercilessly criticised. Even that hella awesome 'world-bends-around-you' stuff which I think just looks good.
Though I concede I made my point badly, my point was the gameplay still looks kinda fun from what trailers have shown and Devil May Cry (in my opinion) doesn't normally have the strongest of stories but is based around the gameplay which (again, my opinion) Ninja Theory do quite well even when they aren't using the DMC stock of nifty guns/sword combo so I'm optimistic about it.
I'm also not too fussed about the change in appearance or attitude, since it isn't even intended to be the old Dante.

 

[bafrali]

So just because of its predecessors fault, this game is allowed to make mistakes? What is even more ironic is that this is a re-imagining and have a chance to start a new.But what i have seen is anything but new.Excuse me but i fail to see the logic in this argument.

As for my swear heavy comment, at least i am not trying to sell it as a narrative experience.

I think the ironic part is that any changes they HAVE made are getting mercilessly criticised. Even that hella awesome 'world-bends-around-you' stuff which I think just looks good.
Though I concede I made my point badly, my point was the gameplay still looks kinda fun from what trailers have shown and Devil May Cry (in my opinion) doesn't normally have the strongest of stories but is based around the gameplay which (again, my opinion) Ninja Theory do quite well even when they aren't using the DMC stock of nifty guns/sword combo so I'm optimistic about it.
I'm also not too fussed about the change in appearance or attitude, since it isn't even intended to be the old Dante.

Just because they made changes doesn't mean these changes are good.Dante has been changed to a punk who rebels against the order. Sounds familiar? I am sure it does.

There is a world within a world that can be seen by only few ones.Not cliched enough for you?

How about the protagonist who is a hybrid of the opposing sides.Done to death.

Changing enviroments you say?Yeah they are awesome even after the billionth time they are used in a video game.

Antoganist who see himself as a God?Fucking original.

You are gonna say that context matters and i agree with that....if you have a decent writer which i was talking about in the first place.

So yes it makes a lot of changes.But are they new? No. It is like changing your dirty underwear and putting on another dirty one

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

So just because of its predecessors fault, this game is allowed to make mistakes? What is even more ironic is that this is a re-imagining and have a chance to start a new.But what i have seen is anything but new.Excuse me but i fail to see the logic in this argument.

As for my swear heavy comment, at least i am not trying to sell it as a narrative experience.

I think the ironic part is that any changes they HAVE made are getting mercilessly criticised. Even that hella awesome 'world-bends-around-you' stuff which I think just looks good.
Though I concede I made my point badly, my point was the gameplay still looks kinda fun from what trailers have shown and Devil May Cry (in my opinion) doesn't normally have the strongest of stories but is based around the gameplay which (again, my opinion) Ninja Theory do quite well even when they aren't using the DMC stock of nifty guns/sword combo so I'm optimistic about it.
I'm also not too fussed about the change in appearance or attitude, since it isn't even intended to be the old Dante.

Just because they made changes doesn't mean these changes are good.Dante has been changed to a punk who rebels against the order. Sounds familiar? I am sure it does.

There is a world within a world that can be seen by only few ones.Not cliched enough for you?

How about the protagonist who is a hybrid of the opposing sides.Done to death.

Changing enviroments you say?Yeah they are awesome even after the billionth time they are used in a video game.

Antoganist who see himself as a God?Fucking original.

You are gonna say that context matters and i agree with that....if you have a decent writer which i was talking about in the first place.

So yes it makes a lot of changes.But are they new? No. It is like changing your dirty underwear and putting on another dirty one

I'm... confused as to your stance. I cited that this kind of plot you describe ^ is fairly common within DMC but has the added bonus that even if it is Dante VS demons and a guy with a God Complex (Mundus, Arius, Lady's Dad, That Priest guy who's name I've forgotten) that the gameplay at least looks good/similar to DMC as a plus, essentially it's Devil May Cry with a different protagonist and a conspiracy/big-brother themed plot rather than a straight up Dante-goes-somewhere-and-kills-stuff one.

But you began criticising the plot again from the sole trailer we've seen. You say it's a re-imagining and a chance for things to be new, but every change is criticised for being different (i.e. Dante is a punk not a... white-haired visual kei-esque mercenary, I guess). Also, I don't think the whole 'everything re-structures dynamically' mechanic has been used very often, if at all, at least not in this context where it's guided solely as the environment trying to attack the protagonist with intelligence.

I'm not sure how good the writer(s?) is from what little I've seen, they may be trying too hard sometimes but the concept could still have merit.

 

[bafrali]

That was long snip.

I haven't criticized the plot i just say there are too much old shit for a re-imagining.As i have already said context maybe different but i don't like what i have seen.Look at my original post for my original opinion on this one as i have a terrible habit of moving onto irrevelant stuff as the argument progresses.

Anyway peace out bro

 

[pandorum]

Im just spit-balling here but maybe the hole thing about facing your demons is about young Dante hiding from his demon heritage hence why he is looking to prove he does not need it but in fact without it he would be nothing.

 

[Azex]

So now dante is a hobo that gets high and while tripping thinks he is playing DMC3, this gives him the excuse to murder everyone who he now sees as demons and kill off the "evil" goverment that made him poor and a hobo

 

[Palademon]

Well...I'm going to buy it...

 

[Nydestroyer]

I expect the combat to be good, but the new Dante seems more... douchey. In an annoying way. Less laid back "Chill, I've got this" and more the overcompensating "You think you can take me? Do ya? Well? DO YA, HUH?!". Still want to see how it turns out, though.

Well people like young Dante mature into people like old Dante so ya that is how that works. Not saying Dante is mature XD I think they are doing a good job at portraying what Dante as a brooding angst filled teen that he would have been as the trouble maker at heart he is.

 

[Nydestroyer]

cant wait for this, every trailer i see gets me more and more psyched for it.
still like the art direction, there is something about it i cant put my finger on, but not sure what it is

Wow really? For me it is the opposite: with each trailer I am less and less interested in this game and after seeing this trailer I decided that I am definitely not going to buy or play this. They broke Dante's character too much, not just in aesthetics but in personality as well. He went from laid back to a complete douche. The way he talks... why do I have the image of Justin Bieber trying to act tough in my mind hen I see the segments in this latest trailer where Dante talks? Ah, because he sounds like a cocky little brat, that's why.

And the swearing and the smoking? What for? To make him look cool or something? Dante was always among the biggest badasses in gaming without doing any of those and he did so effortlessly. This Dante... it is like he is trying too hard to impress, to hard to look cool. The villain didn't look bad but what's the point if I simply hate the character I would be playing as?

I am a huge fan of the Devil May Cry series. I loved 1, 3 and even 4 (admittedly I haven't played the 2nd one myself ^^). And I am not someone who is against change in a gaming series. But the change has to be for the better. Improve stuff or introduce new things to it. But change for changes sake just go get some shocker sales when something wasn't broken in the first place (here: the protagonist) that's where things start to get iffy for me. I never thought that anything could tear me away from this series but they did it. Everything in this game seems so.... punky to me. That dude from "The Order", Dante, the music... Sorry this just isn't for me.
If anyone can enjoy that: more power to you. I can't.

So yeah: no more Devil May Cry for me as long as it is like this. There are other games out there.

Just saying you don't seem to understand rolling a character back to a state it was never in before projecting a person back is much more difficult then moving it forward and Dante would have been that kid he really would have. Old Dante knows how to do it and be awesome in all ways but really sense when have you known a kid who literally knows all things in like and how to get by the way Dante does at his age dose not experiment with clothing and going through douche stages . I think this fits perfectly if you want a sequel wait till they make one. (wont happen because studios like copy and pasting things to make it easier so young Dante is here to stay if they make another.)

 

[Beautiful End]

Oh, Maker. I just can't-- I don't even--

Let's break this down.

1. I admit the gameplay was fun. I guess that's a given since it's still kind of a DMC game.
However...

2. I was pissed when they attempted to say this was the original Dante. Then they did that whole "Oh, you thought HE was Dante? No, no. You got it wrong, silly!" thing. So I was...okay with it, I guess. But now they're taking the original story from Dante and adding it to this new guy. Son of Sparda? No, no. You got the wrong guy. So again...what sets the original Dante and this new Dante apart? You say he's a side-story character, yet he has the same story? What the flying fuck, NT? Make up your mind!

3. Dante writing "Fuck you". Really? What is he, 5? He already made his point when he punched the guy to the face. And then the dialogue he has with the boss-thing:
Boss: "Fuck you"
Dante: FUCK YOU!"
Oh, real mature, Dante. You sure showed her. See, I know this is not the original Dante and all. But original Dante was classy. he was laidback. He was on top of everything. He didn't need to go around insulting people or acting like a prick. He was more of a "Ughh, let's get this over with, shall we?" kind of guy as opposed to new Dante who's all "You wanna dance? I will rip your spine out and fuck it until it's dry and then I will mail it to your children while I piss on your grave!". Again, not cool.

4. It's been said before but: Laidback, cool and collected badass guy vs. frat boy douchebag? I think it's obvious who is better.

I wouldn't be so pissed if NT had said from day 1 "HEY! This is NOT DMC! But we took inspiration from it!". You know, change the names, the borrowed background story and you got yourself a pretty decent-looking game. It looks good...but I just can't get over the fact that they're creating a new game and trying to pass it off as the next DMC. Just...no! And I think that's why there are torn opinions about this game.
If I took...I don't know, Dragon Age and changed its characters to Mario and company and attempted to pass it off as the next Mario game, you bet people would be pissed! It could a great game with beautiful music, great story and graphics and gameplay. But people would still be pissed.

 

[Infernai]

So, a media that carries the name of another IP that is supposedly set in the same universe as the original with characters having the same names. But, has changed their personalities, motivations, abilities, origin and appearance.

Didn't someone else do something very similar sounding to this before?

Spoiler

 

[Vyress]

So, a media that carries the name of another IP that is supposedly set in the same universe as the original with characters having the same names. But, has changed their personalities, motivations, abilities, origin and appearance.

Didn't someone else do something very similar sounding to this before?

Spoiler

Classy. xD

Just saying you don't seem to understand rolling a character back to a state it was never in before projecting a person back is much more difficult then moving it forward and Dante would have been that kid he really would have. Old Dante knows how to do it and be awesome in all ways but really sense when have you known a kid who literally knows all things in like and how to get by the way Dante does at his age dose not experiment with clothing and going through douche stages . I think this fits perfectly if you want a sequel wait till they make one. (wont happen because studios like copy and pasting things to make it easier so young Dante is here to stay if they make another.)

I suppose you tried to say that since the original Dante is older he would of course be more accomplished in stuff the reboot Dante is trying to do. Well, consider Devil May Cry 3: Dante isn't really old here is he? Late teens, about 17 to 19. How old is reboot Dante supposed to be to make such a drastic change in douchy-ness? 12? xD No, he will be around the same age as DmC 3 Dante, maybe 16 - considering he is seen smoking it would probably not be good publicity on Ninja Theory's part if he was younger than that. (News, parents, blabla)

So let's break it down: they already did roll Dante's character back for DmC 3, didn't they? And I think they did that rather nicely. Pretty damn good job actually. People went in there playing the game and thought "Now that's what I'm talking about!" without feeling that DmC 3 alienated itself from DmC 1 - and of course they were pleased to have a good game after DmC 2. It actually displayed pretty good continuity by showing the origin of the name of Dante's agency, how he received the Force Edge for DmC 1 and so on. In short, they cared about pieces falling together when they wrote and designed the game.

It is not the case with the reboot. He suddenly is a demon-angel hybrid as opposed to demon-human, is swearing around like a 12 year old, has black hair and his main weapon is now a plastic dildo swirling around stuff. (like, seriously <.<) Not only are they breaking apart what has already been established - which a reboot does - but they have also broken any connection to the Devil May Cry series itself. Apart from the game wearing the nametag DmC and the protagonist Dante what else REALLY tells you that this is supposed to be a Devil May Cry game?

Here is the first trailer again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhoNEuH8KmA

Some dude has guns, a lance-whip thing, demon-puppet things show up and the music is... I don't know what you call it; it isn't rock.

Until he actually says "My name is Dante" you would think this is a copy but not the actual thing (or at the VERY most the start of a new DmC character like Nero before that). In fact, had it been a copy it would probably be a rather highly anticipated game without the hate.

If you think THAT fits perfectly, well more power to you. About the sequel: after this game tanks they may just abandon the IP for several years altogether like Capcom did with other ones. Megaman ZX and Legends comes to mind. Come to think of it: on-disc dlc, dropping Megaman Legends 3, this DmC reboot... they really like pissing of their customers. They might very well release a sequel to this DmC. xD

I won't buy this one. Just gonna watch a "Let's play DmC" thing on youtube so I can talk about it and then most likely feel relieved about not having spent a single cent on it.

 

[Funcakes]

A lot has been said, but all the Dante philosphy aside: The dialogue in this game is crap. It wouldn't matter if that 'Dante' went by a different name, every word that comes out of his mouth is so tryhard it hurts.

 

[WolfWhoRules]

Oh, Maker. I just can't-- I don't even--

Let's break this down.

1. I admit the gameplay was fun. I guess that's a given since it's still kind of a DMC game.
However...

2. I was pissed when they attempted to say this was the original Dante. Then they did that whole "Oh, you thought HE was Dante? No, no. You got it wrong, silly!" thing. So I was...okay with it, I guess. But now they're taking the original story from Dante and adding it to this new guy. Son of Sparda? No, no. You got the wrong guy. So again...what sets the original Dante and this new Dante apart? You say he's a side-story character, yet he has the same story? What the flying fuck, NT? Make up your mind!

3. Dante writing "Fuck you". Really? What is he, 5? He already made his point when he punched the guy to the face. And then the dialogue he has with the boss-thing:
Boss: "Fuck you"
Dante: FUCK YOU!"
Oh, real mature, Dante. You sure showed her. See, I know this is not the original Dante and all. But original Dante was classy. he was laidback. He was on top of everything. He didn't need to go around insulting people or acting like a prick. He was more of a "Ughh, let's get this over with, shall we?" kind of guy as opposed to new Dante who's all "You wanna dance? I will rip your spine out and fuck it until it's dry and then I will mail it to your children while I piss on your grave!". Again, not cool.

4. It's been said before but: Laidback, cool and collected badass guy vs. frat boy douchebag? I think it's obvious who is better.

I wouldn't be so pissed if NT had said from day 1 "HEY! This is NOT DMC! But we took inspiration from it!". You know, change the names, the borrowed background story and you got yourself a pretty decent-looking game. It looks good...but I just can't get over the fact that they're creating a new game and trying to pass it off as the next DMC. Just...no! And I think that's why there are torn opinions about this game.
If I took...I don't know, Dragon Age and changed its characters to Mario and company and attempted to pass it off as the next Mario game, you bet people would be pissed! It could a great game with beautiful music, great story and graphics and gameplay. But people would still be pissed.

It's like what Nolan's Batman is to the old batman movies in the sense of a reboot or even the new bond movies, you know? Yep, he swears, he's a young teen who spent most of his life being hunted by demons no doubt.

They don't want this dante to be like the old dante. Old dante wouldn't fit in this world. He's too flawless, they wanted a new direction with this game. They do this all the time with comic books, movies and tv programs.

Hope that clarifies things for you.

 

[Smertnik]

Wow, this game seems to be even more emo than I thought. And the main character couldn't be more unlikable.
As much as I want to like this, as a huge fan of the genre, I just can't so far. It does look very nice, though.

oh the poor boy, he still thinks he's dante.
why can't they just call it something new? like the adventures of mr. pixie hair? then i could stop unconiously comparing it to the actual devil may cry games and totally be interested!

Yeah, it'd probably have helped this game (just like the Tomb Raider prequel, come to think of it) if it was created as a new IP, this way you wouldn't get anyone complaining about the game not matching the pre-established concepts. From what I've seen so far it doesn't seem to have much in common with the DmC storyline anyway.

 

[teebeeohh]

ok this looks interesting.
while the writing seems to be horrible and Dante is kinda a jackass the whole limbo thing looks interesting and if the gameplay hold up i will be getting this.
This is also a clear case of syndicate-syndrome: should have been a new IP.