Trailers: Mass Effect 3: Fall of Earth

[Agayek]

I dunno, man. Since you only truly appreciate ME1, I'll go with that one. Watch the ME1 E3 trailer again from 07: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naazAgYKJeU

It has slightly more dialogue, yes, but it focuses heavily on the sheeyit hitting the fan. For the same reason I mentioned above. They do not want to ruin story elements at E3.

Unlike Hollywood, Bioware understands that the experience is paramount. And since explosions don't ruin things, they will make a trailer full of nothing but.

Besides, from the very get-go back in 07, isn't that what ME3 was supposed to be about - all hell breaking loose? I'd compare the story to Lord of the Rings. Part 1 - Discover the evil. Part 2 - Touch blades with the evil and make faces at it. Part 3 - beat the bloody hell out of the evil, preferably with a bajillion soldiers on a field of war.

I've had more than my share of internet discussions with people on the internet whether the ME2 story sucked or not, so I'll just tip my hat and let you have your opinion whilst I roll my eyes and tiptoe away into the night.

I'm mostly just pissy about the atrocity Bioware committed with ME2 more than anything else, to be perfectly honest. The trailer being a Michael Bay knock-off is just justification for my whining.

I fully understand that they don't want to ruin story elements, and I am 100% for that, I don't want to know anything ahead of time. What I don't like is that everything about the game, all of the pre-release information thus far (and this trailer especially), has indicated it will continue the trend set by ME2 and abandon sensible/logical story-telling for EXPLOSION EXTRAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGANZA!!!!!!. If I'm wrong, and dear God do I hope I am, I will eat my hat, but nothing has indicated otherwise yet.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

-snip-

Because Engineers/Infiltrators already have that. It's called Incinerate.

Makes since. I remember the freezing attack they had though so partial credit. Still, I want a flame-thrower. Sure it's vanilla when compared to the nuke launcher or the Collector's beam cannon but come on, flame-thrower! I'm surprised the Krogans themselves weren't using them.

Oh dude, there is a flamethrower. During Zaeed's loyalty mission you'll find it lying on the ground. It's called the Firestorm. Totally forgot about it.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-451_Firestorm

No Cerberus network so, I missed out on Zaeed. Unless they release him and his missions without the Cerberus network but I don't see that happening.

 

[Alpha Maeko]

C'mon, Shepard, think with portals!

 

[Grygor]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

 

[Worgen]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

 

[The.Bard]

I'm mostly just pissy about the atrocity Bioware committed with ME2 more than anything else, to be perfectly honest. The trailer being a Michael Bay knock-off is just justification for my whining.

I fully understand that they don't want to ruin story elements, and I am 100% for that, I don't want to know anything ahead of time. What I don't like is that everything about the game, all of the pre-release information thus far (and this trailer especially), has indicated it will continue the trend set by ME2 and abandon sensible/logical story-telling for EXPLOSION EXTRAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGANZA!!!!!!. If I'm wrong, and dear God do I hope I am, I will eat my hat, but nothing has indicated otherwise yet.

I don't fault you for that, although you may have guessed I love both games pretty much equally, so I don't find myself in your shoes. While I'm confident Bioware will pull out all the stops and come up with a breathtaking finale to the trilogy, I will also eat my hat if I end up being wrong. Only it will be between several bouts of weeping uncontrollably.

I think this game will certainly be the most heavily actioned of the ME games to date. But that's the nature of this kind of story telling. You can't threaten a reaper invasion for two games and then not deliver on the goods in Part 3.

But if you listen to Casey Hudson interviews, he is saying ALL the right things. And he's not like Peter Molyneaux; he mentions things that will actually be in the final game. So there's plenty of reason to be hopeful.

For my part, I implore you to go into ME3 with open arms and an open mind, if only for your own happiness. If ME3 slaps you in the face with a cold mackerel, then you can blame me.

 

[ecoho]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

 

[Worgen]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

 

[ecoho]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

 

[Worgen]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

keep in mind the only reason that we even survived soveran was because the promethians managed to mess up the keepers stuff so they wouldnt obey soveren and didnt respond to its signal to wake the reapers and open the gate for them, essentially his attack on the citadel was an act of last resort and it still only was thwarted by a large counter attack and killing a load bearing boss, not to mention if they wanted to start with a weak homeworld then they probably should have gone after the vorts or elcore or maybe even the krogan, I think the humans have like the 3rd largest number of dreadnoughts after the asari and the turians

 

[AJvsRonin]

Don't forget the reapers are very much aware of Shepard, theyre pretty pissed at him/her.
They tried to make a human reaper instead of an asari or turian (etc) reaper for some reason, maybe something about humans would make the human reaper that much more powerful, perhaps their attack of earth is an attempt to quickly make a few human reapers. EDI at some point (I think) said it would take a few million humans to make a reaper, imagine how many reapers they could make with the whole population of earth.

If humans make for strong reapers (something about humans having high genetic variability relative to other spacefaring species, mentioned in ME2) then attacking earth may not be a bad strategy. If they can cut the relays it would take a hell of a long time for anybody to get there to save earth.

Thats my speculation anyway.

 

[ecoho]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

keep in mind the only reason that we even survived soveran was because the promethians managed to mess up the keepers stuff so they wouldnt obey soveren and didnt respond to its signal to wake the reapers and open the gate for them, essentially his attack on the citadel was an act of last resort and it still only was thwarted by a large counter attack and killing a load bearing boss, not to mention if they wanted to start with a weak homeworld then they probably should have gone after the vorts or elcore or maybe even the krogan, I think the humans have like the 3rd largest number of dreadnoughts after the asari and the turians

the only reason they beat the protheons was surprise man with out that they are forced to take actions against what they see is the biggest threat(humans who also happen to be the easist target of all the homeworlds as i said before. also remember that most of the alliance fleet is ether protecting the citidel or the outer settlements after all the stuff from the first game (or arrival for that matter) now we may have a fleet in sol but its doughtfull that it would be able to deal with the entire reaper fleet as it would be at most 30-40 ships vs about 100 also the fact that the reapers are masters of the surprise attack doesnt hurt their chances against us. so once again i think earth is screwed but the reapers are done for.

 

[Worgen]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

keep in mind the only reason that we even survived soveran was because the promethians managed to mess up the keepers stuff so they wouldnt obey soveren and didnt respond to its signal to wake the reapers and open the gate for them, essentially his attack on the citadel was an act of last resort and it still only was thwarted by a large counter attack and killing a load bearing boss, not to mention if they wanted to start with a weak homeworld then they probably should have gone after the vorts or elcore or maybe even the krogan, I think the humans have like the 3rd largest number of dreadnoughts after the asari and the turians

the only reason they beat the protheons was surprise man with out that they are forced to take actions against what they see is the biggest threat(humans who also happen to be the easist target of all the homeworlds as i said before. also remember that most of the alliance fleet is ether protecting the citidel or the outer settlements after all the stuff from the first game (or arrival for that matter) now we may have a fleet in sol but its doughtfull that it would be able to deal with the entire reaper fleet as it would be at most 30-40 ships vs about 100 also the fact that the reapers are masters of the surprise attack doesnt hurt their chances against us. so once again i think earth is screwed but the reapers are done for.

I still dont think attacking earth makes sense, I mean assuming its defences are weaker then most other planets it still just leaves you open for counter attack as long as the gates can be used by other races, if you take control of the citadel then you can control the gates and the galaxy, just attacking a homeworld seems rather wasteful and pointless to start out with unless its a feign to draw out the defenders of the citadel into a trap or away from the citadel so they can take it, besides if they are really such master of the surprise attack then they should have an easy time making a sudden attack on the citadel before most of the defenders can really react, but it still doesnt answer how the hell they even got into the galaxy again, I remember the final shot with them at the end of me2, those bastards are a long way out, without a gate we are talking many many light years to get back

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

QUOTEPOCALYPSE

Just a few info tidbits to throw in:

1. The Reapers fear humanity. Listen to Harbinger's Big Bad speech at the end of ME2, that's not a "reason you suck" speech, or evil gloating: that's a genuine paper tiger "oh shit" moment. Sovereign went down swinging and boasting. The Reapers want humanity out of the way right freaking now. It makes sense they'd drop the hammer on Earth, and hard.

2. The Reapers' main weapons are surprise and overwhelming intelligence and logistic advantage. Hitting the Citadel first gives the Reapers information on every galactic civilization, level of technology, location and disposition. Plus, they can rely on Indoctrinated sleepers, control over an (if present) galactic communications network and locking out the relay network to non-Reapers.

2a. Word about (and proof of) the Reapers is going to spread. A Council race's homeworld getting genocided isn't exactly something that can be kept quiet. The SR-2 has a Reaper IFF, which can be reverse engineered just like Reaper weapons, armor and shield tech. The Reapers probably don't have much solid intelligence to work from, considering their best intelligence assets were a lone Turian spectre, Geth heretics, and a few decades surfing the extranet.

The biggest secondary threat are going to be the billions of humans who'll probably end up Indoctrinated before Shepard can do his/her thing. Remember, the Reapers can do that fast if they don't care for the usefulness of said Indoctrinated. Oh, and TIM who I've thought has been Indoctrinated or has his own Reaper-related plans from step 1 (seriously, why would he want a Reaper factory?).

3. The Citadel races are growing technologically out of the Reapers' control. The Geth already don't rely on Reaper tech. The Citadel races reverse engineered a Reaper and used data from the Sovereign battle to upgrade what wasn't reverse engineered. Check your ME2 codex, where do you think the armor, shield and weapons upgrades came from?

4. The human fleet at the battle of the Citadel was one fleet out of several. Of the fourth largest navy in the known galaxy. Again, check your ME2 codices: the turian fleet dwarfs the humans', and that's in the happy-shiny-people Paragon ending of ME1: if you let the council die, you've effectively launched an arms race between the Council races. God only knows what the salarians have squirreled away in the ass end of nowhere.

 

[ecoho]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

keep in mind the only reason that we even survived soveran was because the promethians managed to mess up the keepers stuff so they wouldnt obey soveren and didnt respond to its signal to wake the reapers and open the gate for them, essentially his attack on the citadel was an act of last resort and it still only was thwarted by a large counter attack and killing a load bearing boss, not to mention if they wanted to start with a weak homeworld then they probably should have gone after the vorts or elcore or maybe even the krogan, I think the humans have like the 3rd largest number of dreadnoughts after the asari and the turians

the only reason they beat the protheons was surprise man with out that they are forced to take actions against what they see is the biggest threat(humans who also happen to be the easist target of all the homeworlds as i said before. also remember that most of the alliance fleet is ether protecting the citidel or the outer settlements after all the stuff from the first game (or arrival for that matter) now we may have a fleet in sol but its doughtfull that it would be able to deal with the entire reaper fleet as it would be at most 30-40 ships vs about 100 also the fact that the reapers are masters of the surprise attack doesnt hurt their chances against us. so once again i think earth is screwed but the reapers are done for.

I still dont think attacking earth makes sense, I mean assuming its defences are weaker then most other planets it still just leaves you open for counter attack as long as the gates can be used by other races, if you take control of the citadel then you can control the gates and the galaxy, just attacking a homeworld seems rather wasteful and pointless to start out with unless its a feign to draw out the defenders of the citadel into a trap or away from the citadel so they can take it, besides if they are really such master of the surprise attack then they should have an easy time making a sudden attack on the citadel before most of the defenders can really react, but it still doesnt answer how the hell they even got into the galaxy again, I remember the final shot with them at the end of me2, those bastards are a long way out, without a gate we are talking many many light years to get back

its explained in arrival how they got there kinda. also remember they have alot of ships around the citidel and i mean hundreds so attacking the largest force in the galaxy right off the bat is risky on the point of suicide. were as they take earth which is relitivly undermanned but has a large population(which u can turn into solders for your army) as well as an easily defended mass relay (asumeing they cant shut them down 1 at a time if they are close to them.) you have the perfect target with low risk high reward.

 

[Worgen]

if I remember right they needed the citadel to actually get into the galaxy, I mean the thing was a big relay so they would use that to go from the depths and actually come back,

Your memory is incomplete.

Yes, the Citadel is a gigantic Mass Relay that the Reapers use to enter the galaxy when it's time to harvest - but it's ALSO the control point for the entire mass relay network.

well assuming I am remembering wrong then they could just blow up the relays or worry about it later or something, and it makes even less sense for them to attack earth first, I mean not only did they figure out some way to get back into the galaxy fast but they decided to hit earth instead of the citadel so they could reestablish control over the relay network which would probably be the most important thing to do

so it actually makes the plot stupider if the citadel does control it since it makes your badguys morons

no it makes sense remember most of the fleets would be around the citidel there fore the worst place to attack were as earth is only lightyly defended. if you take out the homeworlds you take out their reinforcements and distroy their moral. plus you add in they are litteraly getting billons of new solders to fight for them by doing this its a very good tactical move.

ehh, I dont think most of the fleets would be around the citidel, I mean sure it would have its own defense fleet but homeworlds would also have large defense fleets and lots of local defenses also, I mean would you rather hit the outside base or the main production? sure one has a bit more defenses but hitting one would only kind of annoy the enemy while hitting the other would give you a huge boost, and its not like only one of those things didnt do huge amounts of damage to the citadel with a fleet of geth, there are supposed to be lots of reapers around

remember the citadel is the seat of the govrnment and the council would have a large fleet there to protect them. were as earth which is technicaly the furthist homeworld from all the others cant have a large fleet in system because it would leave them crippled if they needed to go somewere else fast. also remember that most people dont beleave the reapers are real so the probily think haveing a small but hevily defended outpost near the relay would be enoth to stop any enemy ships that would come through. now on to the tech side we were alreay advancing faster then was expected when soveren failed to activate the citidel the first time (before saren) now we have advanced farther then we were suposed to now that might not mean we have better tech but it might mean we have equal tech and if your on equel ground the winner is who ever has the best tactics or largest army. guess which one the reapers have to have?

BTW: a large reper fleet would probly be at most 100 ships.(which is alot if you figure that they all are as powerful as soveren)

keep in mind the only reason that we even survived soveran was because the promethians managed to mess up the keepers stuff so they wouldnt obey soveren and didnt respond to its signal to wake the reapers and open the gate for them, essentially his attack on the citadel was an act of last resort and it still only was thwarted by a large counter attack and killing a load bearing boss, not to mention if they wanted to start with a weak homeworld then they probably should have gone after the vorts or elcore or maybe even the krogan, I think the humans have like the 3rd largest number of dreadnoughts after the asari and the turians

the only reason they beat the protheons was surprise man with out that they are forced to take actions against what they see is the biggest threat(humans who also happen to be the easist target of all the homeworlds as i said before. also remember that most of the alliance fleet is ether protecting the citidel or the outer settlements after all the stuff from the first game (or arrival for that matter) now we may have a fleet in sol but its doughtfull that it would be able to deal with the entire reaper fleet as it would be at most 30-40 ships vs about 100 also the fact that the reapers are masters of the surprise attack doesnt hurt their chances against us. so once again i think earth is screwed but the reapers are done for.

I still dont think attacking earth makes sense, I mean assuming its defences are weaker then most other planets it still just leaves you open for counter attack as long as the gates can be used by other races, if you take control of the citadel then you can control the gates and the galaxy, just attacking a homeworld seems rather wasteful and pointless to start out with unless its a feign to draw out the defenders of the citadel into a trap or away from the citadel so they can take it, besides if they are really such master of the surprise attack then they should have an easy time making a sudden attack on the citadel before most of the defenders can really react, but it still doesnt answer how the hell they even got into the galaxy again, I remember the final shot with them at the end of me2, those bastards are a long way out, without a gate we are talking many many light years to get back

its explained in arrival how they got there kinda. also remember they have alot of ships around the citidel and i mean hundreds so attacking the largest force in the galaxy right off the bat is risky on the point of suicide. were as they take earth which is relitivly undermanned but has a large population(which u can turn into solders for your army) as well as an easily defended mass relay (asumeing they cant shut them down 1 at a time if they are close to them.) you have the perfect target with low risk high reward.

oh yeah, I forgot that those shits had plot dlc come out, bastards. I still see the big problem of attacking earth is that you would still get a big ass fleet up your ass, it would make much more sense to just either go for the big target or pick off the fleets bit by bit, really all they need to do is knock out a good number of dreads and it would be hard for the galaxy to really fight against them but really unless the council decides that the reapers are real having a huge fleet around the citadel doesnt make much sense either, especially over 2 years since the attack, really it would be more likely that fleets would be with in response range to respond to a threat to the citadel, which is already the sort of tactics that the humans use already if I remember the fluff correctly

so how did the reapers suddenly show up?

 

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Ok, I like Mass Effect enough to give Bioware the benefit of doubt, but this trailer looks and sounds as though it was made by Michael Bay. It even had the same text in it as the Transformers ads, albeit in orange instead of blue. Same basic slogans, same stupid little light flare, that kind of thing. This does not exactly inspire confidence in me, it makes me wonder if EA getting involved in the final stretch could actually ruin things as badly as people seem to think.