I agree with this.hazabaza1 said:![]()
"Haha! Oh man, look at this! It's all unrealistic and cool! These fancy weapons, silly dialogue, man this is GOTY for sure!"
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"GWAAAAAAGHGHG WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT GOD"
I love people.
[sub][sub][sub]inb4 I get quoted by 100 people not understanding hyperbole[/sub][/sub][/sub]
I bought all the Grand Theft Auto games because they were formative in my early days of gaming.Rebel_Raven said:And SR5 will return to it's gangster roots, and then get snuffed by GTA's higher fame, and being a house hold name, and all the people wanting SR to be gangster again won't care it returned to the gangster roots and play GTA anyhow. <.<
See, I would have said the same thing about GTA (except for the car handling- Driver has always been the genre leader there) up until GTA IV. Ever since that game, which was the very definition of 'sacrificing context and challenge', my faith in Rockstar has been shaken so soundly that I won't consider buying another GTA game until I've played it for a good 6 hours or so and decided for myself it isn't another GTA IV.TheRussian said:They're making a Just Cause 3? Time to fetch that champagne bottle.Squilookle said:Looks like it'd be fun for about 10 minutes. Oh well- we'll always have Just Cause 3, right?
As a GTA fan I feel contractually obligated to say that GTA:V will show these kids how you do a sandbox game without sacrificing context or challenge. SR:IV looks like it will be even less of a challenge than Third was.
'd say that if the joke about killing aliens from outer space who are "illegal" nevermind trying to harm people causes people to harm illegal aliens, or those they perceive as such, well, those people were messed up to begin with, and didn't need much encouragement.Mullahgrrl said:Kind of racist isn't it? The trailer I mean.
There are enough people thinking that killing illegal aliens is a good idea that we don't need to encourage them.
Oh come on now, that's just something people who like games use to dismiss these completely valid complaints.Rebel_Raven said:'d say that if the joke about killing aliens from outer space who are "illegal" nevermind trying to harm people causes people to harm illegal aliens, or those they perceive as such, well, those people were messed up to begin with, and didn't need much encouragement.Mullahgrrl said:Kind of racist isn't it? The trailer I mean.
There are enough people thinking that killing illegal aliens is a good idea that we don't need to encourage them.
Using games as a scapegoat is a bad thing.
Just because people want games to be seen as an art-form, doesn't mean that every game has to be some grand high standard masterpiece.M920CAIN said:Is it me, or Saints Row is becoming even more bland and stupid? Well hooray for videogames as art... boy this is bad.
To be honest, you're very much over simplifying; Blood Dragon measures out the crazy carefully; Saints Row 1 did a good job of that too; Saints Row 2 wasn't as well crafted, but still managed to keep the crazy fun - Saints Row 3? Not really very fun - if a helicopter attack is available from the very start, it never really feels special...hazabaza1 said:![]()
"Haha! Oh man, look at this! It's all unrealistic and cool! These fancy weapons, silly dialogue, man this is GOTY for sure!"
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"GWAAAAAAGHGHG WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT GOD"
I love people.
[sub][sub][sub]inb4 I get quoted by 100 people not understanding hyperbole[/sub][/sub][/sub]
I disagree somewhat with you're assetment with regards to the direction the franchise has taken - its -nearly- the right route, but not quite. The over-the-top-ness is good to say "hey, we're different from GTA", but -playing- Saints Row 3, you feel like they just overdo it too early, and then the rest of the game is a disappointment because they can't really fine a good way to top themselves.Sonic Doctor said:Just because people want games to be seen as an art-form, doesn't mean that every game has to be some grand high standard masterpiece.M920CAIN said:Is it me, or Saints Row is becoming even more bland and stupid? Well hooray for videogames as art... boy this is bad.
Just as that all art, paintings/drawings, literature, movies, etc, don't have to be clean and highfalutin.
There is such a thing as entertainment art, though really, all art in some way entertains.
And no, I don't think Saints Row is becoming bland and stupid. I just think the creators finally have set on what Saints Row is. It is a franchise that's key motivation is achieved through being just about parody and silly comedy.
I've played most of the first game and watched most of the other two games being played, and I can tell you that they went down the right path to set themselves apart. The first one feels like it was just trying to be a GTA clone, thought it has just enough flare to set itself far enough apart, but after that the franchise has evolved into something more.
The developers did what they should have done; they found ways to set the franchise apart from the competition(GTA). I played GTA 3 and Vice City back in the day, and watched some of GTA 4. I have to say that I like Saints Row better because it has less of a serious tone and is more silly. The reason for that is that I don't play such sandbox games because I want to be serious; I play them because I want to mess around and do stupid crap, to see how far I can push the world of the game.
And circling back to your comment about games as art, I don't play such games for how artistic they are.
Honestly? I enjoyed 1 and 2, I thought both did the 'fun GTA' really well, (well, Johny Gat aside - he really just irrates me), but Saints Row 3 felt just blandly over-the-top; like it was trying way too hard. "Have a tank, unmanned drone, and so on in the first half an hour!""Ok, how are you going to top that in the rest of the game?"*SRIII shrugs*Garfy said:Wow, didn't expect so much SRIII hate on the escapist. SR2 was just getting into it's silly stride and 3 refused to be shackled to the drab and brown of every other game.
Don't get me wrong, I loved GTA4 but SR3 was an over-the-top breath of fresh air.
In summary: Hail to the Motherf'n chief!