Trailers: Star Wars: The Old Republic: Sith Warrior Progression

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HankMan said:
The Sith Juggernaut is getting sum tonight, I'll tell ya that.
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Kinda sad that the thing that stuck out most to me in the video was how robotic and emotionless that Twi'lek companion character looks.
They were all pretty robotic and emotionless
Well, to be fair, a lot of people have noticed this. For example take a look at the biggest chunk of gameplay footage we've seen so far:

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/taral-v-developer-walkthrough

However, some valid points that can be made are that this game has spent a LONG time in development, which means that a lot of the code and artwork is as much as four years old in places. "Old Republic" presumably looking to be a smooth experience, and have a lot of actual content as opposed to going for the most bleeding edge technology (which it is obvious it will not have). Not to mention that one of the apparent design priorities was that since they are planning for the long term, they want this game to be relatively "light weight" and run on a lot of older systems, laptops, and similar things. I've even heard some speculation that they want this to be able to run over Ipads and such through 3G and 4G networks. Another point also being made is that a lot of parts of the game we aren't seeing are apparently very busy. The game has to be able to track things like parrying, blaster deflection, and a LOT of projectiles whipping around given the autofire and so on. This means that to avoid lag the quality has to suffer so it can render and track so many things going on. It's like comparing "Grand Theft Auto IV" to "Saint's Row 2", GTA4 has better graphics, but at the same time SR2 has a lot more going on at any time where it will be tracking battles involving like 3 differant sides while your cruising around in real time with a pretty customizable character that can be wearing literally hundreds of differant outfit combinations pretty seamlessly.

To some extent the somewhat stiff motion and so on have done a bit to sell me on the game, because it seems like we might be seeing an unusual occurance for the gaming industry: truth in advertising. Typically you see all these slickly produced, picture perfect examples of gameplay meant to illustrate everything from the best possible angles, with the slickest animated moves being performed... all expertly directed. When you get the actual game and play it on your actual home computer as opposed to a developer's console... well the game winds up being a lot differant in the way it looks and handles. People complain about it all the time. I'm guessing this is a more honest presentation of what the game will look like in practice, and if that's true it's fine.... of course there is the danger that this is the ultra slick, expertly directed version, and in actually playing the game it's going to look a whole heck of a lot worse than that. If that was the case though I'd imagine EA would have killed the project instead of continueing to pipe an uber-budget into it, since there would be no way to salvage something that is that big of a train wreck.

Of course, with all the delays I do confess to becoming increasingly concerned despite my high hopes and a budget that seems like it could lead to them being met by the developers. We were supposed to get a release date this month, and really all we've gotten is more promotional trailers.

Given how many years this game has been in development, it's not going to get any newer, and pushing the game up until next year (which keeps happening every year it seems) seems like it's going to do a lot of damage, I have to fight to keep interest in this game despite the high hopes, because there is a point beyond which they are going to lose quality through the passage of time, no matter how many delays they put in with the motivation of increasing quality.

I don't want to see the game rushed out, but let's be honest, this game has been "coming out in a few months" for two years now, plus all the development before that. It hasn't been being rushed. :)
 

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Acidwell said:
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Acidwell said:
To be honest I think the worst looking thing about this video is that the lightsabers have no effect on the bodies. Anyone know if thats just for the trailers?
There's video evidence that sabers leave temporary strike marks on enemies, but that's about it. No severed limbs, no insta-death. That's how it was in the original KoTOR as well. Making them act like "real" sabers isn't good for balance or fun, just like making guns in CoD act like real guns would be frustrating and it's why swords and axes in WoW don't hurt people the way real swords and axes would.
I didnt mean insta-death just that critical kills or very high damage(Maybe double enemy hp) kills would cause a different death animation where they did have a dismembering effect. It would be fun to go back to an area like the starting area and just run through cutting of npc heads legs or arms like a real sith. Pity either way
I wouldn't mind some cool finishing moves like that, but seeing as how it will be rated T (most likely) I doubt we'd see it. We might get some cutscenes where that kind of stuff happens though. I mean I hope at least one person gets a limb cut off.
 

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Ugh, the character models look hideous. They should really reconsider the cartoony and stylized art direction, it fits in more with that awful SW cartoon show more then it does with the KoTOR games. The costumes and armor look ridiculous, and the proportions of the characters are on par with barbie dolls for being anatomically proportional, especially the overmuscled male models. Watching the development of ToR is like watching a car wreck in slow motion. It's horrifying to watch the extent to which they are willing to trash the KoTOR series in the name of milking it for all it's worth, but at the same time, I can't look away, because it is so fascinating to watch the extents to which they are going!
Go back to your store, Comic Book Guy.
Can't argue against my claim without resulting to insults? That doesn't help your position. Fact of the matter is, KoTOR I+II had more proportional character models then this, as well as a less stylized art direction in general.
 

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anc[is]Wow, those animations are... fucking awful.
This.
Some of them in this trailer are a little dodgy, but if you check out the Taral V video above, they look on par with any MMO I've seen. They may not be the best game animations out there, but "fucking awful" is taking it too far. At worst, you could say "meh."
 

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Oroboros said:
Can't argue against my claim without resulting to insults? That doesn't help your position. Fact of the matter is, KoTOR I+II had more proportional character models then this, as well as a less stylized art direction in general.
They're a little more exaggerated, but not by a huge amount. There's some beefier dudes and some bustier women, but not all the character models are like that. Besides, the stylized look helps it age better.
 

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Why do all the dudes look stupidly muscular?
JEDIS HAVE NO NEED FOR MUSCLE.
Yeah I was thinking that, there better be some Darth Sideous like Sith in this.
Plus, it looked like the final path to the Sith is some variation of "Darth Vader" with some kind of mechanical body. That or General Grevious.

Just out of curiosity, why did the Sith character saved the Twi'lek girl at the end there? I get that she may be an ally, but that few seconds seemed to emphasize this rescue, which gives me the impression the Sith in here are not the "evil" Jedi-side.
It's because not all sith are pure evil, some of can show compassion.
 

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Why do both the sith variants have fucking mechanical parts? What if I want a darth maul type? Or a darth sideous? This game sucks. I hate it already.

I don't think fantasy RPG and star wars mix well, this trailer was really gay. Which is why I won't be buying it. For that reason alone.
 

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Acidwell said:
rsvp42 said:
Acidwell said:
To be honest I think the worst looking thing about this video is that the lightsabers have no effect on the bodies. Anyone know if thats just for the trailers?
There's video evidence that sabers leave temporary strike marks on enemies, but that's about it. No severed limbs, no insta-death. That's how it was in the original KoTOR as well. Making them act like "real" sabers isn't good for balance or fun, just like making guns in CoD act like real guns would be frustrating and it's why swords and axes in WoW don't hurt people the way real swords and axes would.
I didnt mean insta-death just that critical kills or very high damage(Maybe double enemy hp) kills would cause a different death animation where they did have a dismembering effect. It would be fun to go back to an area like the starting area and just run through cutting of npc heads legs or arms like a real sith. Pity either way
If you want some finishing moves, the Jedi Knight progression looks like it has some of those. Not chomping off legs or anything, but, well, take a look.

Admittedly, the FIRST lightsaber the Jedi makes looks a little large, but all of the follow ups, seem much more refined. This leads me to believe that the video is made up of shots from various points in production.

rsvp42 said:
Saltyk said:
Hey, you're preaching to the choir. I've been saying all this on the main forums for months. But I come back to the Escapist and see the comments and I'm like, what? Are we looking at the same game? Anyway, there's always going to be haters. I just prefer it when they have a good reason, not just the same canned negativity, with people parroting the same complaints they had year ago, despite all the improvements.
To be honest, by the end of my post, I was only half replying to you. I just wanted to show something to all those who are complaining that, I think, completely invalidates all their complaints. And, I've noticed far too many people hating on this game on the Escapist, too. Sometimes, I wonder if we're looking at the same game.
 

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JackSparrowSucks said:
I CANNOT wait for the scathing reviews!
Or... not, since game reviewers rate things according to hype; rather then content.
This is what confounds me. It's one thing to be uninterested in a game or even to dislike it before release, but to actually hope it fares poorly?

jawakiller said:
Why do both the sith variants have fucking mechanical parts? What if I want a darth maul type? Or a darth sideous? This game sucks. I hate it already.

I don't think fantasy RPG and star wars mix well, this trailer was really gay. Which is why I won't be buying it. For that reason alone.
...sarcasm? I can't tell sometimes. Either way, I don't think those were cybernetic parts, just masks. Techno masks.
 

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rsvp42 said:
jawakiller said:
Why do both the sith variants have fucking mechanical parts? What if I want a darth maul type? Or a darth sideous? This game sucks. I hate it already.

I don't think fantasy RPG and star wars mix well, this trailer was really gay. Which is why I won't be buying it. For that reason alone.
...sarcasm? I can't tell sometimes. Either way, I don't think those were cybernetic parts, just masks. Techno masks.
A little sarcasm but I'm still not going to buy it. Star Wars just doesn't mix well with "that" style of gaming. RPG? Maybe someoen could make a SW RPG but certainly not how they're doing it.

And the Cyborg wannabes... Well that was partial trolling. But I really don't like how they portrayed sith. They're supposed to be bad-asses. They turned them all into darth vader. Now vader is a fucking bad ass but if every sith in the fucking galaxy had the exact same look, well that would suck.

And why is he red?
 

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jawakiller said:
rsvp42 said:
jawakiller said:
Why do both the sith variants have fucking mechanical parts? What if I want a darth maul type? Or a darth sideous? This game sucks. I hate it already.

I don't think fantasy RPG and star wars mix well, this trailer was really gay. Which is why I won't be buying it. For that reason alone.
...sarcasm? I can't tell sometimes. Either way, I don't think those were cybernetic parts, just masks. Techno masks.
A little sarcasm but I'm still not going to buy it. Star Wars just doesn't mix well with "that" style of gaming. RPG? Maybe someoen could make a SW RPG but certainly not how they're doing it.

And the Cyborg wannabes... Well that was partial trolling. But I really don't like how they portrayed sith. They're supposed to be bad-asses. They turned them all into darth vader. Now vader is a fucking bad ass but if every sith in the fucking galaxy had the exact same look, well that would suck.

And why is he red?
You didn't Like KOTOR then? If not then it's clearly not a game for you anyways, Bioware did a SW RPG quite well already proving the concept is not only possible but can be wildly popular.

Also, that's not the only armor set in the game. Besides that, you can customize the color of your armor pieces so you can mix and match with out being a clown like on WoW. So no, the look of the toons will be far more unique than other games. (Anyone seen the tier 12 WoW armor? LOL!)

They did a select armor progression of a couple of sets, did you expect them to make an hour long video showing everything?
 

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jawakiller said:
And the Cyborg wannabes... Well that was partial trolling. But I really don't like how they portrayed sith. They're supposed to be bad-asses. They turned them all into darth vader. Now vader is a fucking bad ass but if every sith in the fucking galaxy had the exact same look, well that would suck.

And why is he red?
He's red because he's a Sith Pureblood. It's one of the races you can choose on the Sith side.

And they don't all look that way, they just took a couple sets on each side to showcase. I'm basing this assumption on the fact that not all bounty hunters in the game look like Boba Fett and not all smugglers look like Han Solo. Some armor sets are inspired by them, but not all.
 

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A lot of the comments on here strike me as just being from players of other MMO's that are scared of a competitor.
 

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Huh... looks like KoTOR... After this many years I was sort of hoping the graphics had improved a bit.
 

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I like how people are complaining about animations when the game isn't even released.

They obviously wont be when released...simple.
 

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jawakiller said:
Why do both the sith variants have fucking mechanical parts? What if I want a darth maul type? Or a darth sideous? This game sucks. I hate it already.
Darth Maul type is a Sith Inquisitor, the Assassin Advanced Class. It uses light armor and a double bladed lightsaber. Darth Sidious type is a Sith Inquisitor, the Sorcerer Advanced Class. It uses a single lightsaber and focuses on Force Lightning the shit out of everything.

Then again, feel free to not buy the game. Looking at your attitude and how fast them toys are flying out the pram, you won't be missed :)

jthm said:
Huh... looks like KoTOR... After this many years I was sort of hoping the graphics had improved a bit.

Spoilered in order to avoid image spam. If you still have issues telling which game is which, I can recommend a good optician :)
 

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why wouldn't jedi warrior not need muscles? just because you can do everything with the force does mean you have to, they also walk and lift things despite the fact that they could float. being a great swordsman in star wars is not tied to being strong in the force, it certainly helps but is not needed.