Transgender Day of Rememberance

[IronicBeet]

Whoa, they're the problem? They're not the ones actively spreading hate and making it unsafe for transgender people to walk the streets. I don't oppose this thing, but don't say that people who do are automatically doing it because they hate transgenders.

Pretty sure those with the mentality required to troll a thread like this, are the same sort of people who would make it unsafe for transpeople.

Besides that, standing by while others are being harmed for being different is also an indirect way of supporting them. This has caused deaths in itself, like people not assisting transpeople that are being beaten, or people that don't administer medical treatment or the like because someone is trans... There's been quite a few deaths because people stood idly by.

I don't think that questioning the legitimacy of a day like this means that you would be unwilling to assist someone in danger because of the way they are. The two don't really factor into each other. Some people are just cynical.

 

[IronicBeet]

Really? I got a warning for insulting a person who insulted a whole group of people? Wth!?

I got suspended for calling someone a son of a ***** because they said that a guy with cerebral palsy deserved to get pushed out of his wheelchair. You're not supposed to directly insult anyone on here, it's da rools.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Ignore thread hijackers, acquire reverence.

These people should not have died. I should not have to live in fear of violence every day. May their families and loved ones find peace and their legacies not be forgotten.

Here's a link to any more curious about the event [http://www.transgenderdor.org/?page_id=4]

 

[Kopikatsu]

Really? I got a warning for insulting a person who insulted a whole group of people? Wth!?

To be fair, when the entirety of your message is basically 'Go to hell', it doesn't hold a lot of discussion value.

Whoa, they're the problem? They're not the ones actively spreading hate and making it unsafe for transgender people to walk the streets. I don't oppose this thing, but don't say that people who do are automatically doing it because they hate transgenders.

Pretty sure those with the mentality required to troll a thread like this, are the same sort of people who would make it unsafe for transpeople.

Besides that, standing by while others are being harmed for being different is also an indirect way of supporting them. This has caused deaths in itself, like people not assisting transpeople that are being beaten, or people that don't administer medical treatment or the like because someone is trans... There's been quite a few deaths because people stood idly by.

I don't think that questioning the legitimacy of a day like this means that you would be unwilling to assist someone in danger because of the way they are. The two don't really factor into each other. Some people are just cynical.

Yeaaaah. I'd rather not have a Transgendered Day of Remembrance, mainly because we have too many 'days' already. Seriously, there is some kind of event or holiday every other day, it seems like. It causes them to lose their meaning. Actually, I'd like to cut a few out, starting with Black History Month. (Yeah, okay, it's nice to learn about history and all, but where is Asian/Native American/etc history month?)

 

[omicron1]

Mmh. Why does no one seem to devote finances to curing that mental state? Considering that this problem IS an actual issue, and one that claims many lives, one would think resources would be devoted to curing it... but one only has to suggest "research to cure transgenderism" to watch the Internet explode in flames.

No offense is meant to those who hold this event sacred. I understand that people have died - been killed, even - by truly evil individuals. I fully support the exercise of the full extent of the law in addressing these evils. Just keep in mind that those individuals are: a. only a microscopic subset of their communities, and b. universally present in every faction and group.

 

[Mischa87]

I don't think that questioning the legitimacy of a day like this means that you would be unwilling to assist someone in danger because of the way they are. The two don't really factor into each other. Some people are just cynical.

I've been around the block, spent over 5~ years working with LGBT people professionally, I've seen trends, and have seen this happen more times than I care to admit.

It works a lot like covert racism if you're familiar with it.

 

[CODE-D]

Wow, really guys? Grow the fuck up already, if you don't care about other people, then don't comment on them, easy as that. Way to step up and show how ignorant you really are, and setting an excellent example of the kind of behavior that needs to be abolished.

To come into this thread, and spread this kind of hate, you are beyond scum, I could not wish horrible enough of things upon people like you.

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out or alter your biochemistry to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

In short, just cause I dont agree or see the point in transexuality, doesnt mean Im gonna go out and murder them or let them be like anyone else. 1 murder every 3 days is bad since its specific but 3 women are murdered EVERYDAY, by a significant other nonetheless, and im more concerned about that.

The fact that you guys wish me death and hell however makes me think, what kind of people are you? To lash out in anger against someone with different opinions, are you any different than the people who murder transexuals? hmmm?

 

[Mischa87]

I understand that people have died - been killed, even - by truly evil individuals. I fully support the exercise of the full extent of the law in addressing these evils. Just keep in mind that those individuals are: a. only a microscopic subset of their communities, and b. universally present in every faction and group.

I appreciate your support, and you're right, these hateful people are a minority, and are becoming less and less common thanks to education and a general rising in acceptance levels. That being said, there is plenty of work to do towards equality and acceptance (In many cases, not just regarding transpeople)

 

[Mischa87]

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

In short, just cause I dont agree or see the point in transexuality, doesnt mean Im gonna go out and murder them or let them be like anyone else. 1 murder every 3 days is bad since its specific but 3 women are murdered EVERYDAY, by a significant other nonetheless, and im more concerned about that.

The fact that you guys wish me death and hell however makes me think, what kind of people are you? To lash out in anger against someone with different opinions, are you any different than the people who murder transexuals? hmmm?

Well, transgender awareness week is just ending, but it's still an excellent time to educate yourself on the matter, you seem like an intelligent individual, but your views stray far from accepted fact in the medical, and scientific communities (To put it bluntly, your knowledge on this topic is limited, and at times, incorrect) For example, transwomen are actually able to bare young now, thanks to the help of medical science. And you seem to be getting transvestites and transsexuals mixed up in your descriptions, a common mistake, and it may be leading to your confusion regarding the topic at hand.

Also, nowhere did I wish death upon anyone, and nowhere did anyone else even hint at that, so I'm not understanding the "The fact that you guys wish me death and hell" bit. Personally, if I wanted to be really vindictive, the perfect malicious wish upon these haters would be to wish that they could feel what it's like to be trans, because as the stats show, that's worse than death.

 

[CODE-D]

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

In short, just cause I dont agree or see the point in transexuality, doesnt mean Im gonna go out and murder them or let them be like anyone else. 1 murder every 3 days is bad since its specific but 3 women are murdered EVERYDAY, by a significant other nonetheless, and im more concerned about that.

The fact that you guys wish me death and hell however makes me think, what kind of people are you? To lash out in anger against someone with different opinions, are you any different than the people who murder transexuals? hmmm?

Well, transgender awareness week is just ending, but it's still an excellent time to educate yourself on the matter, you seem like an intelligent individual, but your views stray far from accepted fact in the medical, and scientific communities (To put it bluntly, your knowledge on this topic is limited, and at times, incorrect) For example, transwomen are actually able to bare young now, thanks to the help of medical science.

By which you mean, men are able to? Cant say I really agree with using science like this but then again its not my role to tell people what they cant do but I would think that adoption would be a better decision, unless one of the parents really wants to be genetically related.

And you seem to be getting transvestites and transsexuals mixed up in your descriptions, a common mistake, and it may be leading to your confusion regarding the topic at hand.

I thought I did a good job distinguishing. I even said that maybe that one would be a better alternative to the other. These people seem to be so set on their gender identity is wrong and that it was forced on them that its inhibiting, I just wish they would try to accept what/who they are more, not to say some dont.

Also, nowhere did I wish death upon anyone, and nowhere did anyone else even hint at that, so I'm not understanding the "The fact that you guys wish me death and hell" bit. Personally, if I wanted to be really vindictive, the perfect malicious wish upon these haters would be to wish that they could feel what it's like to be trans, because as the stats show, that's worse than death.

that was for the other guy

 

[weker]

I detest days that moan the dead, as I guess it is mostly due to my firm belief that after your dead all you are is worm food and nothing more (as long as you exclude the physiological implications that humans give their dead)
I am all for the support of Transgender or any sort sexuality (as long as it is not abusive) but A day of remembrance? I feel a charity will be more worthwhile or a larger knowledge base (but then again most people are still coming to terms with "basic" homosexuals ) as a day of education would work better then a day of morning.

Also I would kindly like to ask the people that are "flaring up" to calm down, fair enough some are not as caring, but your making their "I don't care" out to be saying "I hate them all". I guess what I mean is be nice

 

[isometry]

Mmh. Why does no one seem to devote finances to curing that mental state? Considering that this problem IS an actual issue, and one that claims many lives, one would think resources would be devoted to curing it... but one only has to suggest "research to cure transgenderism" to watch the Internet explode in flames.

History is full of "cures" for people that don't conform to society's idea of normality. To want to "cure" someone from transgenderism is as bigoted as wanting to "cure" homosexuals in the 1940s, or wanting to "cure" non-believers in previous centuries.

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out or alter your biochemistry to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

I understand where your coming from, but I think if you understood trans people better you would understand that they are in fact learning to be comfortable with who they are.

You say they should be comfortable with who they are, without changing their appearance with surgery and hormone treatments. But how can someone comfortably accept themselves as the gender they know they are when nearly everyone else sees them as the opposite gender?

If a trans person accepts themselves for who they are, they know they were born with a different biological sex than the one that matches who they are inside. Why wouldn't they take steps to make their body the way they have accepted it should be?

 

[zehydra]

Really? I got a warning for insulting a person who insulted a whole group of people? Wth!?

Nobody should be insulting anyone at all in this forum

 

[Mischa87]

By which you mean, men are able to?

No, I meant transwomen, and also, a little heads-up, calling transwomen men, is transphobic, just thought I'd let ya know.

 

[weker]

Really? I got a warning for insulting a person who insulted a whole group of people? Wth!?

insulting: Speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.
offended: Cause to feel upset, annoyed, or resentful.

He is offending people not insulting them, no one is deliberately trying to offend them, they are stating their feelings, which is a LACK of caring. They don't want them to be abused, they don't want them to lose their lives, they just don't value or see the point in a day of remembrance.

For me I don't care either, but this is not hatred towards their group, I don't care for any day of remembrance, as I don't see depth to when people die, I just see it as an end to their lives, and nothing more.

 

[omicron1]

Mmh. Why does no one seem to devote finances to curing that mental state? Considering that this problem IS an actual issue, and one that claims many lives, one would think resources would be devoted to curing it... but one only has to suggest "research to cure transgenderism" to watch the Internet explode in flames.

History is full of "cures" for people that don't conform to society's idea of normality. To want to "cure" someone from transgenderism is as bigoted as wanting to "cure" homosexuals in the 1940s, or wanting to "cure" non-believers in previous centuries.

For this statement to be true would require the issue to be categorically one-sided - for it to be a universal fact that (a) transgenderism is a physical (and thus built-in) state and not a mental (and thus at least partially born of nurture) one, and (b) enabling it is the right response. This is not the case. Whatever your personal beliefs on the issue may be, they do not define a universal truth.

Personally, I would love for there to be a cure. I would take it on the first day it was available, then go and lead a truly normal life. But apparently I'm supposed to "realize" that I am, in some sort of quantum physics singularity, actually a woman - just in a male body flooded with testosterone and full of pesky Y-chromosomes - because that's "the right answer," or somesuch.

 

[CODE-D]

Mmh. Why does no one seem to devote finances to curing that mental state? Considering that this problem IS an actual issue, and one that claims many lives, one would think resources would be devoted to curing it... but one only has to suggest "research to cure transgenderism" to watch the Internet explode in flames.

History is full of "cures" for people that don't conform to society's idea of normality. To want to "cure" someone from transgenderism is as bigoted as wanting to "cure" homosexuals in the 1940s, or wanting to "cure" non-believers in previous centuries.

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out or alter your biochemistry to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

I understand where your coming from, but I think if you understood trans people better you would understand that they are in fact learning to be comfortable with who they are.

You say they should be comfortable with who they are, without changing their appearance with surgery and hormone treatments. But how can someone comfortably accept themselves as the gender they know they are when nearly everyone else sees them as the opposite gender?

If a trans person accepts themselves for who they are, they know they were born with a different biological sex than the one that matches who they are. Why wouldn't they take steps to make their body the way they have accepted it should be?

Mmmmmm, cant really say I agree to that either. Ive never seen someone treated this way but even if a guy was treated like/saw as a girl by people I dont think he should just conform to their thought by altering himself. If he acts and has feminine mannerisms its fine but dont surgically/chemically alter yourself. Just accept you are a male and act female all you want. But if that means to you that you wanna be seen as a girl, with breasts and dresses and all, I cant say Ill ever agree or see why(its not your true sex) but I ask that you not expect everyone to agree thats the right choice.

 

[hotsauceman]

Transgender Day of Remembrance? Serious? I'm sure all the veterans would feel super about this.

LBGTIA People everyday live in fear of is they will be taunted,ridculed,attacked or in some cases outright killed for being the way they where born. Just because they "Go against Society"
But given what you avatar is i would expect that comment.

 

[weker]

Mmh. Why does no one seem to devote finances to curing that mental state? Considering that this problem IS an actual issue, and one that claims many lives, one would think resources would be devoted to curing it... but one only has to suggest "research to cure transgenderism" to watch the Internet explode in flames.

History is full of "cures" for people that don't conform to society's idea of normality. To want to "cure" someone from transgenderism is as bigoted as wanting to "cure" homosexuals in the 1940s, or wanting to "cure" non-believers in previous centuries.

Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you), but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out or alter your biochemistry to do it either.
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.

I understand where your coming from, but I think if you understood trans people better you would understand that they are in fact learning to be comfortable with who they are.

You say they should be comfortable with who they are, without changing their appearance with surgery and hormone treatments. But how can someone comfortably accept themselves as the gender they know they are when nearly everyone else sees them as the opposite gender?

If a trans person accepts themselves for who they are, they know they were born with a different biological sex than the one that matches who they are. Why wouldn't they take steps to make their body the way they have accepted it should be?

Mmmmmm, cant really say I agree to that either. Ive never seen someone treated this way but even if a guy was treated like/saw as a girl by people I dont think he should just conform to their thought by altering himself. If he acts and has feminine mannerisms its fine but dont surgically/chemically alter yourself. Just accept you are a male and act female all you want. But if that means to you that you wanna be seen as a girl, with breasts and dresses and all, I cant say Ill ever agree or see why(its not your true sex) but I ask that you not expect everyone to agree thats the right choice.

Mush of this also presumes their is also called your "true self" I world and culture allows us to look how we want even excluding our body, with the types of cloths we wear, our make up, even the way we comb our hair.

I like the idea of being comfortable with how I look, and strive a bit to look how I feel I want to look (excluding wight, but by god can I CBA to get off my fat arse XD)

The idea of everyone being fine with how they are as they are is silly, and is near impossible for ours culture and many others to become.

LBGTIA People everyday live in fear of is they will be taunted,ridculed,attacked or in some cases outright killed for being the way they where born. Just because they "Go against Society"

They need help, not a day of remembrance, also there are millions who are in worse situations and we do have days for them, if I had my way I would remove all days of remembrance to make it fair. To have one for one group of people is doing a giant injustice for every other single issue that has occurred in this world.

 

[Mischa87]

For this statement to be true would require the issue to be categorically one-sided - for it to be a universal fact that (a) transgenderism is a physical (and thus built-in) state and not a mental (and thus at least partially born of nurture) one, and (b) enabling it is the right response. This is not the case. Whatever your personal beliefs on the issue may be, they do not define a universal truth.

Wait, so you mean that all the medical specialist I've been seeing for years, and will be seeing for the rest of my life are totally full of shit? And all the research and studies done on transgendered/transsexual issues are lies?

Well then, clearly I need to fire my trained medical professionals, because they don't operate on fact (according to you...)

Like I said before, it's an excellent time to educate oneself on the topic at hand, you'll be sure to learn something.