Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I guess it's easy to judge people retrospectively, knowing full well that that set of circumstances isn't going to repeat itself with you in place of the people in question...only then would your claims of what-you-would-do be truly put to the test, right? Relax, white-knights, safe in the knowledge that noone is gonna discover your flabby yellow belly.

Why is the onus so firmly being planted on the McDonalds staff? If I read the story right, there was a boyfriend there...to my mind he has first dibs on defusing his crazy-girlfriend.

Furthermore, you aren't going to look like a hero beating up a 14 year old girl. I'd also like to dispell this myth that when you do beat-up these people, that they learn their lesson some how. They don't...they just get their scabby friends to help kick the shit out of you. They're very often not concerned with our popular notions of "honour", and in this scenario...they know where you work.

I'm not saying I'd do the same(how could I know, really?), but I understand.

I'm English. Is Baltimore a particularly rough area?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

period babble

Cool your beans, man.. I'd call the authorities but would not risk getting stabbed

Erm...stabbed by what? Most people don't carry knives with them. And usually, if someone's committing a violent assault, they use whatever weapon they have on them. Thus, unless you count their feet, neither of those girls were carrying any weapons.

 

[Marik2]

Huh. And here I'd forgotten why I hate humanity.

Only hate the minority of the dipshits that make themselves look like the majority.

Sigh it's easy to lose perspective when that minority nearly kills a person over personal differences that don't effect anyone else.

Reading through some of these comments on thread didn't help much either with a lot of people considering the woman to be unworthy of even basic compassion and understanding, but at least most people in this community are decent

Yeah this site is decent compared to all the other forums Ive seen.

Best thing is too ignore said dipshit until they do something that needs to be called out.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

The differance is that I never said it wasn't a crime, or that the TG wasn't entitled to legal protection. I said there were aggravating factors. There is a substantial differance there.

Yes. And I, in turn, said that there are always things that can be considered as "aggravating factors." Assaulting someone because did something relatively innocuous while also being a certain race/religion/orientation does not qualify as an "aggravating factor."

See, argueing tolerance is a fine thing, but remember tolerance of someone's existance does not nessicarly mean you have to stand for what everyone does. Being provoked doesn't excuse an assault entirely, but it does mitigate the penelties.

You keep mentioning how assault is somehow less serious as long as there's provocation, yet I'm not seeing how that's relevant to this situation anyway. Care to explain that?

With a lynching, your also talking about murder, not a cat fight with someone getting the crap beaten out of them over a boyfriend.

Oh, I see. It doesn't matter if the person being attacked was beaten to the point of cerebral trauma: as long as it's between women, it's a "cat fight."

That's the problem with discussing big issues on The Escapist, people get into absurdities when they don't like the direction a conversation is going on.

It's certainly more valid that what you've said. Apparently, not committing active genocide against a minority group should make them content as second-class citizens.

 

[RileyFaux]

What really saddens me about this is that black people keep saying that they are being discriminated against and then they pull off sh*t like this.(not saying all black people but it's so common)
Just because you think being a transvestite is wrong doesn't make it okay for you to beat him/her up, if a person wants to be a transvestite then so be it, I thought sh*t like this was over, it's really just pathetic that people would think it's alright to do this.

This is a sad and....nope, just sad world we live in.

 

[Velocity Eleven]

I broke my leg once. It cost 25,000 USD for me to be able to walk again. And for two years I walked funny. People pay that kind of money to reconfigure their bodies and make it think it's a woman? That sickens me. I have nothing against effeminate men. I have nothing against butch women. People are people. But when you use products and money to be something you're not, you've crossed the line. And yes, there is hypocrisy among you. I've seen transgendered men calling out women with breast implants. I've seen transgendered women calling a man with gauged ears "disgusting".
By all accounts transgenderism is a waste and abomination of science in my opinion. Ru Paul makes a very comfortable living doing what he does. Seriously, watch his show "Drag Race". You wouldn't know he's a man. And all he does to get that is cross dressing. Why can't effeminate men just be effeminate men? Why can't butch women just be butch women? Why do you have to absolutely betray everything about yourself and betray who you are utterly and absolutely then cry out for respect? Why? The same reason I get laughed at when I dress up like a dead clown (metal). There's nothing natural about it and it's just silly. If you want to be treated like people, then act like people. Adults accept who they are, or kill themselves with alcohol. The very idea that if you don't like something about you then surgery will change it is just as childish and the suing phase.

That being said, anyone regardless of lifestyle does not deserve to be attacked. And shame on so many people for sitting idly by.

nice to know that you think I deserve to be miserable

 

[Velocity Eleven]

nice to know that you think I deserve to be miserable

If you are miserable because of your genitalia or because your hormones say you are a specific gender, then yes. You do deserve to be miserable. Because it's nothing to be miserable about.
Gays don't reject what/who they are. They celebrate it. You reject it.

and I love you too

 

[radioactive lemur]

nice to know that you think I deserve to be miserable

If you are miserable because of your genitalia or because your hormones say you are a specific gender, then yes. You do deserve to be miserable. Because it's nothing to be miserable about.
Gays don't reject what/who they are. They celebrate it. You reject it.

You are aware there is a HUGE difference between transgendered individuals and gays/lesbians, right? Many transgrendered individuals aren't even gay. A good deal are attracted to the opposite of their biological sex but would rather be a lesbian than a straight man, or rather be a gay dude than a straight woman.

 

[TheAceTheOne]

If I was there, I woulda helped. Because it's the right thing to do is my main reason, but also because I've been kind of mad lately and a brawl would help

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

nice to know that you think I deserve to be miserable

If you are miserable because of your genitalia or because your hormones say you are a specific gender, then yes. You do deserve to be miserable. Because it's nothing to be miserable about.
Gays don't reject what/who they are. They celebrate it. You reject it.

and I love you too

Hugs.

You are aware there is a HUGE difference between transgendered individuals and gays/lesbians, right? Many transgrendered individuals aren't even gay. A good deal are attracted to the opposite of their biological sex but would rather be a lesbian than a straight man, or rather be a gay dude than a straight woman.

And yet it doesn't change my point. It's still people rejecting physically and genetically what they are. You don't tolerate the thirteen year old girl who screams at her parents because her mom won't let her get her nipples pierced do you?
Wanting to be a lesbian is one thing. Have your dick cut open and turned inside out and taking hormone therapy pills being the only way you can be happy is clinically diagnosed as insane, but on a more realistic note is just goofy. Do you indulge every emo kid who claims he's miserable and there's no way for him to be happy?

Samoans actually culturally have men who act as women. They don't go through gender reassignment, can be perfectly straight, and are happy.

Sorry to say this, but you really don't know whats best for everyone. Some people can't simply accept things. Some people think diffrently than you. There are some things you can deal with that others can't. basically, what I'm trying to get at is:

Everybody doesn't think like you, so stop applying YOUR logic to everyone.

OT: Well, this was pleasant...

really, I feel bad for her. Yea, I'm a bit disgusted my transgedered people. But no one deserves to have this happen to the, no matter who they are.

I know she gets humiliated about how she is. This only furthers her burden.

And people wonder why people commit suicide....

Also, she actually looks pretty good as a woman.

 

[Velocity Eleven]

if you want to learn about what it means to be transgendered, then why not actually ask transgendered people instead of coming to assumptions?

 

[Blatherscythe]

I can understand an employee not intervening because they don't want to get hurt, fired or involved but saying discriminating comments or taping it with your mobile phone is a bad thing to do.

I'm assuming the criminal beat up the woman for being different which is also a bad thing to do, I don't like hurting people and I don't like harsh/painful punishment but if I was involved in that fight I wouldn't mind cutting off her finger. I would be doing it in self defense plus she would be doing a criminal act and she shouldn't have been doing that so I tried to stop her and shit happens sometimes...

Maybe having her fucking finger cut off PERMANENTLY would teach her a lesson (or not, it's not good to assume things like that) she wanted to make an innocent (I assume) person suffer painfully, and that innocent person has to spend their whole life dealing with people like her just because they are living the way they want, how about she spend her whole life without her index finger?

one thing that all self defense laws in the US have in common is that you have to stop fighting when the attacker starts trying to run away, surrenders peacefully, is is rendered unable to keep fighting (you tied them up or knocked them out).

once you cross that line YOU become the attacker.

No Southern Hospitality exsists, you don't qualify because your not a white, straight, christian, male with republican political views and xenophobic/racist tendancies along with a hard on for guns. No most people qualify for Southern Hostility because they deviate from the qualifications for above hospitality. In short, the Southern States sucks for pretty much anyone who isn't from the Southern States.

That is some ignorant bullshit.

there are plenty of people who extend southern hospitality for everyone who visits (and isn't a douche). There are good and bad people everywhere.

Wow sarcasm really doesn't translate well over the web. I was joking, now put the double barrel shotgun and the moonshine down, please. (again joking)

 

[Dragonpit]

Unfortunately, when it comes to things like this, store policy says they cannot participate in this (yes, that includes stopping it themselves) or they will face ramifications, such as suspension without pay at the least. So I don't blame the employees for doing nothing. But my sympathies still go out to the woman who was beaten.

I am honestly tired of this "store policy" bullshit when it comes to things like this.


The least thing they can do is call the authorities.

That's true...they can still do that.

 

[Caliostro]

I'd just like to remind everyone in this thread of two very important things:

- Disagreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to insult them, no matter how strongly you feel about it. If you think someone is beyond reason, stop arguing with them, save yourself some time and effort.

- You can express a negative opinion without insulting or demeaning. In this specific case, you can say you dislike someone without calling them names. You're free to express your opinion on the topic, you're NOT free to insult or discriminate, regardless of how strongly you feel about it.

Keep it civil people.

Thank you.

 

[D Moness]

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A small thing i wanted to reply to:
Transvestite : someone dressing in clothes of the opposite sex
transgender : People that are born in the body of opposite sex

Transvestites only dress, transgenders want to completely be the opposite sex(since their brain is hardwired as the opposite gender).

(Although it gets mixed up a lot , it isn't the same. Just wanted to make it clear in a friendly way. Seeing how this topic is turning out.)