Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing

[t3h br0th3r]

I can understand an employee not intervening because they don't want to get hurt, fired or involved but saying discriminating comments or taping it with your mobile phone is a bad thing to do.

I'm assuming the criminal beat up the woman for being different which is also a bad thing to do, I don't like hurting people and I don't like harsh/painful punishment but if I was involved in that fight I wouldn't mind cutting off her finger. I would be doing it in self defense plus she would be doing a criminal act and she shouldn't have been doing that so I tried to stop her and shit happens sometimes...

Maybe having her fucking finger cut off PERMANENTLY would teach her a lesson (or not, it's not good to assume things like that) she wanted to make an innocent (I assume) person suffer painfully, and that innocent person has to spend their whole life dealing with people like her just because they are living the way they want, how about she spend her whole life without her index finger?

one thing that all self defense laws in the US have in common is that you have to stop fighting when the attacker starts trying to run away, surrenders peacefully, is is rendered unable to keep fighting (you tied them up or knocked them out).

once you cross that line YOU become the attacker.

No Southern Hospitality exsists, you don't qualify because your not a white, straight, christian, male with republican political views and xenophobic/racist tendancies along with a hard on for guns. No most people qualify for Southern Hostility because they deviate from the qualifications for above hospitality. In short, the Southern States sucks for pretty much anyone who isn't from the Southern States.

That is some ignorant bullshit.

there are plenty of people who extend southern hospitality for everyone who visits (and isn't a douche). There are good and bad people everywhere.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Well she didnt jump in and help until "they started really hurting her." So what does she mean? A few slaps but when the punches came she then decided to jump in? Cant say she was much of a samaritan. Anyway, at least she helped....eventually. But the boss should have done something as it was in his store. If you dont like someone for whatever reason, race, size or sexuality - then ignore them, i dont get why that in this day and age people still attack other just because they are different. Just ignore them and dont interact with them.

The managed did do something. The problem was that he then left...and didn't come back, even when the attack continued.

Hmm...I wonder why a middle-aged woman would be hesitant to intervene in an assault being committed by two teenagers? Possibly because unlike with the manager, stepping in may have actually posed a threat to her health.

 

[Therumancer]

Too all of the comments that are in essence.

But I could get fired.

Right, because McDonalds would sure love to endure "McDonalds Employee Fired For Saving Transgendered Woman's Life". Worst case, you are fired and they hire you back after a shitstorm of bad media coverage. It's possibly even more likely that you'd be offered a better job by some other benefactor who believes you did the right thing.

That's putting aside the common human decency, which you all apparently forgot. I also have to wonder how many would be quick to change their comments if the victim of the assault was a child, animal or simply an appropriately aged member of the opposite sex you found attractive.

Which, like most responses seems to miss the entire point that this wasn't a hate crime, but a provoked attack. People seem to have a hard time "getting" that the transgendered person seemed to have set this off themselves, and the only real reason why it's noteworthy is that they are form a minority group.

The key element here is NOT that the victim is a transgender, but that the transgender apparently tried to pick up a guy, and pissed off a couple of girls that were with him, at least as I read the article.

Let me be blunt, I might intervene to save someone I believe is an innocent victim, even someone I don't like. I'd definatly do it if it's part of my job. I would not however risk myself defending someone who brought it upon themselves while I'm making minimum wage and probably not getting medical coverage.

No, I'm not a hero. The lady that intervened does deserve some credit for breaking up a fight. Lionizing her as a good samaritan is fine, but acting like the McDonalds employee is somehow at fault is kind of stupid. He obviously thought the person on the receiving end deserved it, whether they actually did or not I can't make a judgement on, to me it sounds like a bloody cat fight.

Look at it this way, if you jump into a fight and get your knee busted, and don't have medical coverage, something like that can be a big deal. Heck, even with medical coverage it can be a problem depending on the extent it goes to. A lot of injuries just never heal fully, especially those coming from fights. You might sue the person who does it for the expenses, assuming they have it, but god knows how long something like that is going to take.

I managed to control pretty much every incident I got into when I did casino security, but the risks were obvious, I however was more willing to take those risks knowing that if I was hurt, I was going to be taken care of since they gave me some pretty solid medical, especially when I first started (the benefits eroded over time since they wound up cutting them) and even had EMTs and such right there. If I wound up getting stabbed, shot, or whatever, I knew help was like 5 minutes away (and I had a radio and camera coverage). Liability being my major concern (long story) and of course as I said, the idea of a job like that is to control situations so they don't turn into that kind of an incident, or break them up which is done by controlling the situation through numbers and so on (ie you don't jump in there like Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse. A Security Guard alone is one thing, 10 Security Guards is something else, situations are dealt with best by approaching them the right way).


I'm rambling, but the point is that this is a situation where political correctness seems to be turning a mountain into a molehill. I'm no hero, but then again I tend to think that people who tend to be heroes in most cases are actually stupid. The lady who broke this up got lucky, I don't think a lot of people realize how many things could go wrong in a situation like that. I've seen some.

Aside from my comments on TGs though, as I said, part of the problem is also society, danger aside, situations like that can backfire on a good samaritan big time. The differance between protecting someone and being a vigilante is not an easy thing to defend legally in most cases if the guy you intervened against wants to make a case about it.

 

[Rex Fallout]

I'm not so sure this is a hate crime, as one of the article states, but it is definitely a depressing and violent act that should have been stopped, not recorded.

I'm glad someone intervened. I think we're slowly becoming a society of spectators, who allow our morals to take the backseat, when it doesn't directly involve us. Acts of bravery like Vicki Thomas, I believe, should be emulated and stories like this should be shared.

Even if you disagree with the very idea of changing ones gender, this is appalling, who would sit by and watch and do nothing to help? I am forced to agree with you, our society is starting to care less and less about other people, if they are even just slightly different. We send our armed forces over seas to save people who are enslaved and oppresed, and instead of being cheered for back home, our own neighbors tell them to get their asses home. After all these aren't human beings we are helping, these are just Libyans. Egyptians, Germans, Chinese, whatever. They aren't American, and so apparently, they don't deserve our help.

 

[Therumancer]

But again, your not normal. The vast majority of people aren't like you. You can't expect everyone to adapt to you and be uncomfortable by doing so. It's an unreasonable expectation, that affects a lot more people.

...that flies in the face of every equal-rights law on the face of the Earth. You have effectively just condemned (in America, at least) every race that isn't white, every religion that isn't Christian, and every person who isn't completely able-bodied.

Know why buildings are required to have wheelchair access? Take a wild guess. And it isn't because we told the handicapped to go fuck themselves for expecting us "normals" to accommodate them.

Right now your tolerated, nobody is going to tattoo a purple triangle on you and ship you off to a death camp, or call the church to have an inquisitor absolve you of your sins through torture before burning you at the stake.

I see. So unless your group is being actively and systematically murdered, you should be happy with your status in society.

Funny thing, though. Remember Matt Shepard? He was essentially crucified. And all those camps where parents send their kids to "Pray the gay away"? Or how life insurance companies liberally abuse the loophole of 'Civil partnerships' to get out of paying widows/widowers of gay couples?

I'm not saying it doesn't suck, but that's the plight of being any kind of minority group that sticks out in a way that is negative to the majority. Just feel lucky that your around at a time, and in a society that tolerates, it could be far, far worse.

Except the definition of "tolerance" isn't "not being actively slaughtered." Tolerance is the poor man's acceptance, but what we have now certainly isn't the 'live and let live' lifestyle that tolerance would suggest.

You try and force people to like something that they find repulsive, and it winds up becoming counter productive VERY quickly, as it brings about a LOT of anger.

Can't remember his name at the moment, but I remember a black boy from Chicago who made the mistake of whistling at a white woman in the deep south. Disgusted by this blatant endorsement of inter-racial relationships, several local white men took it upon themselves to lynch him.

Under your thinking, they would be released scot-free on the grounds that they hated black people so hard that their anger couldn't be anything but justified.

To be blunt,

Oh, man. I'm on the verge of bursting into laughter here. You're going to be blunt now? Jesus. Considering what you've said already, I dread what I'm about to read.

I don't think there would have been an incident here if the TG in question had simply taken 'no' for an answer and not pushed the issue to the point of the guy's girlfriends becoming violent. That right there means it's not a hate crime or anything, because this entire incident is reactive, as opposed to people singling out a TG and
atacking them just for being.

Maybe I'm missing something. In neither article did it suggest that anything had happened besides the boyfriend of one of the accused possibly flirting with her.

And besides, remember that black boy I mentioned earlier? Well, he whistled at a white woman, and was lynched for it. Not solely because he was black, nor solely because he whistled at a local woman. By your logic, that means lynching him isn't a hate crime simply because race was the overarching factor...even if without it, there would have been no crime.

The differance is that I never said it wasn't a crime, or that the TG wasn't entitled to legal protection. I said there were aggravating factors. There is a substantial differance there.

See, argueing tolerance is a fine thing, but remember tolerance of someone's existance does not nessicarly mean you have to stand for what everyone does. Being provoked doesn't excuse an assault entirely, but it does mitigate the penelties.

With a lynching, your also talking about murder, not a cat fight with someone getting the crap beaten out of them over a boyfriend.

That's the problem with discussing big issues on The Escapist, people get into absurdities when they don't like the direction a conversation is going on.

 

[madmatt]

It's kind of upsetting to me looking at all the people on this site who are defending the staff for not doing anything. But, I guess that's the world we live in now. These days, being an employee of McDonalds is as much as a reason as you need to let someone be degraded and assaulted in public.

The nerve of those people, wanting to keep their only means of making money.

Yes, because calling the police and/or trying to stop the fight would have automatically resulted in them being fired?

You really believe this? You think this is company policy? Really?

I can't believe the amount of people who have fallen for that awful excuse.

They did call the police, as per company policy.

It is company policy at McD's - AND MOST OTHER LARGE COMPANIES, not to get involved other than calling the police.

McD's has fired people for getting involved in fights.

I think you have stated the majority position here and I can sympathize. But I do not agree. It is highly dangerous to have everyone say - "it isn't my job to take a stand, it is someone elses, when people are hurt". If every person seeing racism or violence or sexism or prejudice says - it is someone elses responsibility to do something, then it will continue. It is only when people say "no" that it stops. Otherwise it is tantamount to a tacit yes.

At the end of the day, any kind of even basic morality means being willing to subordinate your own interests for that of others - saying I will allow this violence by not acting because I like the money is dangerous if every person ignores violence as someone elses responsibility. If people do not take a stand, how can you expect to this kind of thing to stop? Or people to take you seriously when you say you dislike prejudice and violence?

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I really understand not wanting to make it worse. But I feel that the tendency is really dangerous when it comes to people being harmed.

 

[Therumancer]

But again, your not normal. The vast majority of people aren't like you. You can't expect everyone to adapt to you and be uncomfortable by doing so. It's an unreasonable expectation, that affects a lot more people.

Just like blacks couldnt expect slave owners to free them, or accept them as part of society, or to end apartheid? Just like women couldnt expect the right to vote, or to be payed equal to males? Because it made the slave owners and male majority uncomfortable and was just unreasonable expecatations?

Nope, nothing like those things, and your being intentionally absurd, which is how a lot of conversations like this end.

See, your talking about a complete lack of protection within society, like a lot of people are. I myself have been talking about tolerance being there, just that tolerance only goes so far when it involves intruding on other people.

We're also talking about extreme behaviors here, as opposed to ones that are considerably more subdued, and what's more extreme behaviors that conflict with mainstream society.

If you want to do something and mind your own business, more power to you. Nobody is going to arrest you just for doing it, or say that it's okay to kill you out of hand. However when your waving it around in front of someone else, basically your approaching them and theirs, then it becomes something else entirely.

Even so, I never said anything close to the assault being talked about here being okay, or that the people who did it should have gotten away with it. Only that there were aggravating factors involved, the situation was provoked, as opposed to some TG just minding their own business being stalked and beaten.

If you want to argue absurdities, I can be just as ridiculous about talking about the Tyranny of a minority. The idea of nobles and such who don't have to follow the rules of society and can do whatever they want to anyone because their exalted status puts them above the laws that apply to everyone else. Whether you argue noble blood, or some intristic status as a transgendered person or ethnic minority, special treatment and the abillity to subvert the majority of people to whatever YOU want and are comfortable with is pretty much the same thing.... you might be thinking "b-b-but that's differant". Well of course it is, but it's the same kind of absurd arguement being used to argue against me, just from the opposite direction.

You can talk about slavery and freedom fighters and everything else to justify why the general rules of society shouldn't apply to certain people, and I can be just as insane in pointing out it isn't the first time tiny minorities of people have gotten into a position where the same rules that applied to everyone else didn't have to apply to them.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Personally I would have stepped in, I don't think, in the moment I would have considered my McJob. I'm just not that sensible. I couldn't just stand there and watch someone being beaten on. No way.

 

[Jonabob87]

Once, journos used to say "transgendered man" if born male. Then they started doing the opposite. Now you just can't figure.

Welcome from your time machine. Rule # 1 of the future- don't talk about the future. Rule # 2 of the future- Shit changes and often for the better. Learn to deal with it.

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

Their points are that a guy got beat up by a bunch of girls.

It's only an issue because the guy wants to be a girl.

She's a woman. Her brain is that way, her body is now, she's a woman socially. You...you know what? I'm not going to defend our existence every time I see a post like this. If you're going to make these sort of claims, at least back them up. Go do some research. Spend some time in the

Spoiler: chamber of understanding

]

.

But I do have some other things concerning this string of posts to address.
1) The victim appeared to be on female hormones. Therefore, her muscle mass would have been reduced from that of a man's and she wouldn't have been as strong as she used to be. While it is not pathetic for a man to be beaten up by a woman- such views are sexist and antiquated, as anyone is capable of successfully attacking anyone else given the right strategy-this doesn't even fall into that category. Even if you don't feel that the victim was a "real woman," she was on about the same level of strength as the women who attacked her.
2) "It's only an issue because the guy wanted to be a girl." I don't know, let's imagine it was a biological woman who was attacked. "Woman Beaten to Near Death in McDonald's, Has Seizure, Employees Do Nothing" seems like it could be made into an issue for the sake of spicy news. SOMEONE ALMOST DIED- that's the issue.

Oh I've done plenty of research. Much of it points towards sex hormones being released in the body of a developing/growing child and effecting the way the brain grows (i.e. Male body, female brain or vise-versa).

Effectively this means that the difference begins to exist after birth and is, as such, an abnormality. In the same way that peoples bodies become crooked or don't grow properly.

Simply because you want me to accept this as "just the way you are" doesn't mean I have to. I don't speak about these things unless I'm faced with them, and I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for it. Simply go your way and I'll go mine, mutually disagreeing but respecting each others right to think individually.

Let's not pretend that the body is ever fully transgendered either. Transgendered individuals who choose to become what they see as 100% the role their brain (if it even is that) has grown in to require life-long HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy for those who don't know). This is very literal in that it involves replacing the body's natural hormones with, you guessed it, synthetic hormones. Thereby forcing the body to work in the opposite to how it wants to. That's not natural, I know that doesn't count for much but my point is that if you stopped HRT your body would automatically go back to producing it's natural hormones. That is a fixed gender body being forced to act as if it were the other gender. The key word is ACT.

Actually I'd be horrified if a woman had been attacked in a restaurant, but a woman wasn't attacked. Someone who very possibly had a feminine brain with a male body was attacked in a restaurant. It's still reprehensible, especially if the woman was undergoing HRT and would have been without the masculine build to defend herself. What I was saying is that it's an issue, as in a lot of people care and that's only because he's transgender. Women get attacked in restaurants fairly regularly I'm sure, we live in a huge world with a lot of women, a lot of restaurants and a lot (A LOT) of attacks.

The majority of which staff don't get involved in unless they are kicking everyone involved out. (the ones I've witnessed anyway)

If I'd have been there I'd have intervened, staff or not. Do I think it's worthy of news coverage? Not unless we're going to cover every unprovoked attack and so-called "hate-crime", no.

 

[Snowblindblitz]

If you're getting paid minimum wage in a job you hate, would you step in to help someone? I wouldn't, because I know for a fact I'd be fired for it. It is NOT in your job description to act like security.

But on the other hand, say you did step in and got pretty busted up but helped the person anyway. You think the managers are going to really be happy with you calling in sick the next day? You'd be fired because it's your own fault.

The employees are usually told to stay out of situations like this. The only one who should have stepped in was the manager, because safety is HIS responsibility.

Sorry, but I'm not sacrificing someone's well-being to keep some crappy minimum wage job. I'd step in. Especially since the assailants are comprised of an 18 year old woman and a 14 year old girl.

In this economy, a minimum wage job can keep you alive, especially since Mcdees doesn't lay people off. That said, the manager should have done more, as they are responsible for the safety of everyone in the restaurant. While the crew couldn't directly confront the individuals due to job loss, they could have helped lock doors and isolate the offenders, called police, or anything along those lines.

 

[Vault Girl]

what were the employee's to do? you know that when you get hired they tell you if you get involved in any confrontation, no matter the reason, you're fired on the spot. they can't take the risk of someone getting hurt. so if the kids (probably) valued their jobs there was nothing they could do.

I work in food retail (not fast food) and have been involved in confrontations, it doesn't say anywhere in my contract that i am forbidden from being in anyway verbally or physically in an altercation that is beyond my control. There is no legal requirement in any reasonable employee contract that will fire you for something you can;t control. your employer is responsible for your safety on their premises.

Becoming an employee of a big corporation does not mean that they govern their mortal judgment. no court will allow a business to fire and employee for something like that. I've broken up fights and stopped shoplifters, everyone has a choice whether to step in or not.

They may say that you shouldn't get involved for your own "Personal Safety" but it doesnt mean you'll be fired for it

 

[Velocity Eleven]

Once, journos used to say "transgendered man" if born male. Then they started doing the opposite. Now you just can't figure.

Welcome from your time machine. Rule # 1 of the future- don't talk about the future. Rule # 2 of the future- Shit changes and often for the better. Learn to deal with it.

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

Their points are that a guy got beat up by a bunch of girls.

It's only an issue because the guy wants to be a girl.

She's a woman. Her brain is that way, her body is now, she's a woman socially. You...you know what? I'm not going to defend our existence every time I see a post like this. If you're going to make these sort of claims, at least back them up. Go do some research. Spend some time in the

Spoiler: chamber of understanding

]

.

But I do have some other things concerning this string of posts to address.
1) The victim appeared to be on female hormones. Therefore, her muscle mass would have been reduced from that of a man's and she wouldn't have been as strong as she used to be. While it is not pathetic for a man to be beaten up by a woman- such views are sexist and antiquated, as anyone is capable of successfully attacking anyone else given the right strategy-this doesn't even fall into that category. Even if you don't feel that the victim was a "real woman," she was on about the same level of strength as the women who attacked her.
2) "It's only an issue because the guy wanted to be a girl." I don't know, let's imagine it was a biological woman who was attacked. "Woman Beaten to Near Death in McDonald's, Has Seizure, Employees Do Nothing" seems like it could be made into an issue for the sake of spicy news. SOMEONE ALMOST DIED- that's the issue.

Oh I've done plenty of research. Much of it points towards sex hormones being released in the body of a developing/growing child and effecting the way the brain grows (i.e. Male body, female brain or vise-versa).

Effectively this means that the difference begins to exist after birth and is, as such, an abnormality. In the same way that peoples bodies become crooked or don't grow properly.

Simply because you want me to accept this as "just the way you are" doesn't mean I have to. I don't speak about these things unless I'm faced with them, and I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for it. Simply go your way and I'll go mine, mutually disagreeing but respecting each others right to think individually.

Let's not pretend that the body is ever fully transgendered either. Transgendered individuals who choose to become what they see as 100% the role their brain (if it even is that) has grown in to require life-long HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy for those who don't know). This is very literal in that it involves replacing the body's natural hormones with, you guessed it, synthetic hormones. Thereby forcing the body to work in the opposite to how it wants to. That's not natural, I know that doesn't count for much but my point is that if you stopped HRT your body would automatically go back to producing it's natural hormones. That is a fixed gender body being forced to act as if it were the other gender. The key word is ACT.

Actually I'd be horrified if a woman had been attacked in a restaurant, but a woman wasn't attacked. Someone who very possibly had a feminine brain with a male body was attacked in a restaurant. It's still reprehensible, especially if the woman was undergoing HRT and would have been without the masculine build to defend herself. What I was saying is that it's an issue, as in a lot of people care and that's only because he's transgender. Women get attacked in restaurants fairly regularly I'm sure, we live in a huge world with a lot of women, a lot of restaurants and a lot (A LOT) of attacks.

The majority of which staff don't get involved in unless they are kicking everyone involved out. (the ones I've witnessed anyway)

If I'd have been there I'd have intervened, staff or not. Do I think it's worthy of news coverage? Not unless we're going to cover every unprovoked attack and so-called "hate-crime", no.

Transgendered lady...haha! The dude got his ass beat, that sucks but he's gonna have to live with it considering he's putting himself in a dangerous position (faking himself as a woman) in a harsh world. The chick that whooped his ass must have been a brute though...

You people sicken me

 

[Jatal Khyron]

OK, let me say something from this angle:

I am from Maryland, and live not too far away from the scene of the crime itself. The culture here is pretty much a gang oriented, 'F U for not being like us let's get the freak' mentality. The employees probably sided with the attackers, since often around here you see friends of theirs hanging out near the counter BSing with them while they're supposed to be getting your food instead of screwing around. On top of that, the reason the attackers were warned about the cops coming wasn't to get them to stop, but to keep them from getting arrested. Totally different POV.

I think what was done was horrific, regardless of the person's sexual preference. The thing that really ticked me off was that not many people seemed to care outside of the greater Baltimore area until it was revealed that the victim was transgendered. Then suddenly everyone came out of the woodwork to decry the terrible attack, using it to prop up their own agenda. Was it a hate crime? Watch the video again, then you tell me. I think the answer is obvious to anyone with working eyes.

 

[yanipheonu]

I wouldn't blame the employees for anything. They aren't being prejudiced by being a bystander, it's just HUMAN NATURE. It's call the bystander phenomenon. The more people are in one place, the less likely people will actually do anything.

They're just lucky someone resisted that and actually did something. It's a lot harder to do that it seems, and deserves a lot of praise.

 

[Jonabob87]

Once, journos used to say "transgendered man" if born male. Then they started doing the opposite. Now you just can't figure.

Welcome from your time machine. Rule # 1 of the future- don't talk about the future. Rule # 2 of the future- Shit changes and often for the better. Learn to deal with it.

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

Their points are that a guy got beat up by a bunch of girls.

It's only an issue because the guy wants to be a girl.

She's a woman. Her brain is that way, her body is now, she's a woman socially. You...you know what? I'm not going to defend our existence every time I see a post like this. If you're going to make these sort of claims, at least back them up. Go do some research. Spend some time in the

Spoiler: chamber of understanding

]

.

But I do have some other things concerning this string of posts to address.
1) The victim appeared to be on female hormones. Therefore, her muscle mass would have been reduced from that of a man's and she wouldn't have been as strong as she used to be. While it is not pathetic for a man to be beaten up by a woman- such views are sexist and antiquated, as anyone is capable of successfully attacking anyone else given the right strategy-this doesn't even fall into that category. Even if you don't feel that the victim was a "real woman," she was on about the same level of strength as the women who attacked her.
2) "It's only an issue because the guy wanted to be a girl." I don't know, let's imagine it was a biological woman who was attacked. "Woman Beaten to Near Death in McDonald's, Has Seizure, Employees Do Nothing" seems like it could be made into an issue for the sake of spicy news. SOMEONE ALMOST DIED- that's the issue.

Oh I've done plenty of research. Much of it points towards sex hormones being released in the body of a developing/growing child and effecting the way the brain grows (i.e. Male body, female brain or vise-versa).

Effectively this means that the difference begins to exist after birth and is, as such, an abnormality. In the same way that peoples bodies become crooked or don't grow properly.

Simply because you want me to accept this as "just the way you are" doesn't mean I have to. I don't speak about these things unless I'm faced with them, and I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for it. Simply go your way and I'll go mine, mutually disagreeing but respecting each others right to think individually.

Let's not pretend that the body is ever fully transgendered either. Transgendered individuals who choose to become what they see as 100% the role their brain (if it even is that) has grown in to require life-long HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy for those who don't know). This is very literal in that it involves replacing the body's natural hormones with, you guessed it, synthetic hormones. Thereby forcing the body to work in the opposite to how it wants to. That's not natural, I know that doesn't count for much but my point is that if you stopped HRT your body would automatically go back to producing it's natural hormones. That is a fixed gender body being forced to act as if it were the other gender. The key word is ACT.

Actually I'd be horrified if a woman had been attacked in a restaurant, but a woman wasn't attacked. Someone who very possibly had a feminine brain with a male body was attacked in a restaurant. It's still reprehensible, especially if the woman was undergoing HRT and would have been without the masculine build to defend herself. What I was saying is that it's an issue, as in a lot of people care and that's only because he's transgender. Women get attacked in restaurants fairly regularly I'm sure, we live in a huge world with a lot of women, a lot of restaurants and a lot (A LOT) of attacks.

The majority of which staff don't get involved in unless they are kicking everyone involved out. (the ones I've witnessed anyway)

If I'd have been there I'd have intervened, staff or not. Do I think it's worthy of news coverage? Not unless we're going to cover every unprovoked attack and so-called "hate-crime", no.

Transgendered lady...haha! The dude got his ass beat, that sucks but he's gonna have to live with it considering he's putting himself in a dangerous position (faking himself as a woman) in a harsh world. The chick that whooped his ass must have been a brute though...

You people sicken me

Good to see you're taking a well thought-out and balanced approach.

 

[Marik2]

Not to sound rude - but you guys (Not the person who posted the topic) mainly trouble me with your posts.

Thats the internet for ya.

Society(not all society but most of it) has taught people to only look out for themselves.

Heres a series that shows how most people have a lack of compassion.

 

[jpoon]

Transgendered lady...haha! The dude got his ass beat, that sucks but he's gonna have to live with it considering he's putting himself in a dangerous position (faking himself as a woman) in a harsh world. The chick that whooped his ass must have been a brute though...

You people sicken me

No offense but I wasn't condoning the attack, I was just saying it is what it is. The world isn't going to nerf-pad itself just to protect the politically correct people, here's your proof.

 

[Velocity Eleven]

Once, journos used to say "transgendered man" if born male. Then they started doing the opposite. Now you just can't figure.

Welcome from your time machine. Rule # 1 of the future- don't talk about the future. Rule # 2 of the future- Shit changes and often for the better. Learn to deal with it.

So this is former guy who got beat up by a bunch of girls?

Yeah, pretty much.

...and your points are?

Their points are that a guy got beat up by a bunch of girls.

It's only an issue because the guy wants to be a girl.

She's a woman. Her brain is that way, her body is now, she's a woman socially. You...you know what? I'm not going to defend our existence every time I see a post like this. If you're going to make these sort of claims, at least back them up. Go do some research. Spend some time in the

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But I do have some other things concerning this string of posts to address.
1) The victim appeared to be on female hormones. Therefore, her muscle mass would have been reduced from that of a man's and she wouldn't have been as strong as she used to be. While it is not pathetic for a man to be beaten up by a woman- such views are sexist and antiquated, as anyone is capable of successfully attacking anyone else given the right strategy-this doesn't even fall into that category. Even if you don't feel that the victim was a "real woman," she was on about the same level of strength as the women who attacked her.
2) "It's only an issue because the guy wanted to be a girl." I don't know, let's imagine it was a biological woman who was attacked. "Woman Beaten to Near Death in McDonald's, Has Seizure, Employees Do Nothing" seems like it could be made into an issue for the sake of spicy news. SOMEONE ALMOST DIED- that's the issue.

Oh I've done plenty of research. Much of it points towards sex hormones being released in the body of a developing/growing child and effecting the way the brain grows (i.e. Male body, female brain or vise-versa).

Effectively this means that the difference begins to exist after birth and is, as such, an abnormality. In the same way that peoples bodies become crooked or don't grow properly.

Simply because you want me to accept this as "just the way you are" doesn't mean I have to. I don't speak about these things unless I'm faced with them, and I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for it. Simply go your way and I'll go mine, mutually disagreeing but respecting each others right to think individually.

Let's not pretend that the body is ever fully transgendered either. Transgendered individuals who choose to become what they see as 100% the role their brain (if it even is that) has grown in to require life-long HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy for those who don't know). This is very literal in that it involves replacing the body's natural hormones with, you guessed it, synthetic hormones. Thereby forcing the body to work in the opposite to how it wants to. That's not natural, I know that doesn't count for much but my point is that if you stopped HRT your body would automatically go back to producing it's natural hormones. That is a fixed gender body being forced to act as if it were the other gender. The key word is ACT.

Actually I'd be horrified if a woman had been attacked in a restaurant, but a woman wasn't attacked. Someone who very possibly had a feminine brain with a male body was attacked in a restaurant. It's still reprehensible, especially if the woman was undergoing HRT and would have been without the masculine build to defend herself. What I was saying is that it's an issue, as in a lot of people care and that's only because he's transgender. Women get attacked in restaurants fairly regularly I'm sure, we live in a huge world with a lot of women, a lot of restaurants and a lot (A LOT) of attacks.

The majority of which staff don't get involved in unless they are kicking everyone involved out. (the ones I've witnessed anyway)

If I'd have been there I'd have intervened, staff or not. Do I think it's worthy of news coverage? Not unless we're going to cover every unprovoked attack and so-called "hate-crime", no.

Transgendered lady...haha! The dude got his ass beat, that sucks but he's gonna have to live with it considering he's putting himself in a dangerous position (faking himself as a woman) in a harsh world. The chick that whooped his ass must have been a brute though...

You people sicken me

Good to see you're taking a well thought-out and balanced approach.

I ma transgendered, I know how it feels, I know how it is, you people clearly dont even understand the very basics of what it means to be trans

 

[Marik2]

Unfortunately, when it comes to things like this, store policy says they cannot participate in this (yes, that includes stopping it themselves) or they will face ramifications, such as suspension without pay at the least. So I don't blame the employees for doing nothing. But my sympathies still go out to the woman who was beaten.

I am honestly tired of this "store policy" bullshit when it comes to things like this.


The least thing they can do is call the authorities.