Sir John the Net Knight said:
Therumancer said:
If you opt to express an extreme lifestyle, that's your right, but you should be ready to accept the consequences of that choice. If a transgender person doesn't want to risk that, then they can suffer in silence just like anyone else with an extreme position who doesn't want to deal with the repercussions. It's all about choices.
While unfair to some, understand we're dealing with very small groups of people overall, who wind up being diametrically opposed to the majority and their comfort zone or what they believe in. These people have the right to dress how they want, and speak their minds, but shouldn't be entitled to any special consideration when they piss people off by doing so.
Suffering in silence. I would suggest you not make such demands of people unless you know what it's like to suffer in silence. Do you know how many people out there suffer in silence? No, of course not. Because they're afraid to be who they are or even suggest what they feel inside for fear of persecution. But I can say this. Many people who suffer in silence, often are left with only one exit to their pain.
Suicide.
And please don't act like every person in a minority group actively attempts to piss off everyone who isn't a minority. Some people would very much like to be accepted and continue their lives as who they want to be without such rejection. You know how the LGBT community has cut itself off from any kind of religion? Do you think everyone who falls in that spectrum wants to cut themselves off from their religion?
Think about it.
I never said every person in a minority group tries to piss people off. I just said that they need to be ready to accept the consequences of their actions, and not expect them to be excused because they are part of a minority group.
In a case like the one we're discussing, this is only viewed as an incident of note because of the "victim" being a transgender. If it had been an actual girl, this would just be another "cat fight" over a guy. If someone had said "ignore, that girl is a skank whose getting what she deserves" instead of commenting on the person being a transvestite just as offensively, again it wouldn't be noteworthy.
One thing "extreme" minority groups have to understand is that by being minority groups their behavior IS abnormal to society, and makes people uncomfortable. Thus it takes less for them to antagonize other people. As such, they need to be careful. People will TOLERATE them, nobody is going to toss someone in jail for cross dressing, but that doesn't mean that they are going to embrace the behavior when someone brings it up into their face. You might not have a problem with the very existance of a transvestite, but when one comes up and makes a pass at you, and does not go away when your not interested, that's no longer a matter of tolerance since they are bringing it to you.
Your also looking at a situation where teling minority groups in many cases to "suffer in silence" is a lot more fair by the numbers, then telling the majority of people who disapprove of the behavior that they have to suffer in silence, as it affects a lot more people. Lesser of two evils so to speak.
Don't misunderstand this though, I'm not saying that people should be prevented from crossdressing, and it's not against the law. They should just be aware of how it affects people and take responsibility for their choices.
What's more for all protests to the contrary, people who are transgenders and such have existed for a very long time despite their tiny numbers. They have survived LONG before political correctness, and even exist in societies that aren't even remotely as tolerant as the US. The big differance is that in the US we have this "political correctness" thing and let people get a lot of attention by making the right kind of noise. What's more, if your loud enough it lets you get away with things being a minority that nobody else would be able to.
In short, you have a transgender who was obnoxious, got into a fight, and someone tried to break it up despite most people on the scene apparently thinking it was deserved. This wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for the screaming about political correctness. Being a transgender in no way gives the person a pass in annoying people. You make moves on someone's boyfriend or girlfriend, and you risk getting into a fight.
