Trepidation 2: Postponed until ready.

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Ultrajoe

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Hollow Pine will follow much the same layout at Trep 1, so old players need not fret and new players can reference it for a hint on how things will go. The action will be faster, more visceral and unforgiving. Msh was rather saintly in her tolerance of crap. But I, however, intend to resurrect my much-loved and long-missed 'list' from the second 'Blades of Retribution'. Idiotry, poor writing or just annoying me moves you up the list. When it comes time to kill, those at the top had best be shitting their britches.

This game is not a competition, it is a collaboration of writers and ideas to create a narrative. No successful RP does not understand this basic principle. Play well, give ground where needed and die with grace and this will be something special to remember.

This is just an intro to let people know that things are taking off, feel free to post up a character sheet here along the following guidelines.

Name: [Characters Name]
Occupation: [Affects what they can do in-game. Don't try to garner an advantage by being a survival expert, or some other cheeky damn-fool option. It only moves you up the list and closer to my swinging arm. In truth, it makes very little difference, it just helps proceedings]
Junk in your Pockets: [Oddly easy to understand]

And some more interesting stuff.

Reason For Going To The Airport: [Why is your poor bastard on the 412 flight-bus, stopping over at Hollow Pine? Read more for information]
Backstory: [Doesn't need to be much, a quick rundown of his disposition will do]
Physical Attributes [Exactly what it sounds like. Would-be he-men should know right now that it makes a jelly-dick of difference in the game]

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You're going to miss your flight, you're sure of it. A million stops on the chartered bus mean that you'll be making the airport even later than the usual pack of late arrivals. This was supposed to be express! Instead you're making stops to pick up every bastard who booked the damn thing.

Next time, you'll take a taxi.

Your luggage is stored below you in the bottom sections of the coach. Around you, people yawn lazily as they think similar thoughts, and wonder wistfully about what they are doing and where they are going. Bus 412 makes this run every day, picking up those who book it, but it still carries a mass of stories in it's baggage racks.

Hollow Pine Lodge reads the unlit billboard, though you can still see it in the fading dawn. An overblown trailer park is what it is, with a few added luxuries to fool foreign tourists into spending their cash on a wheeled hellhole when they could be in any number of high-price hotels. There is no litter around, however, and it would seem the place takes itself pretty seriously. Nevermind, you're meeting up with the last of your number then it's off to the airport and destinations beyond.

Odd, doesn't seem to be any lights on. You spot the problem immediately, a tree fallen over power lines had outed the power. No problem really, unless the poor bastards didn't have gas heating. Snowstorms had been on and off the past few weeks, in a blizzard this place would be one big block of ice. Which makes sense, really, given how everyone is sensibly out of sight in warm rooms.

The bus circles past the main office building, attached to the heated swimming pools and squash centre ('play while you stay!' is scrawled a cross the side of the attached complex), but when no passenger appears you slowly circle around the main road. This park is HUGE! Easily a good hours walk from end to end. A lone main road circles lazily through the outer limits, with smaller roads pushing into the centre of the park and allowing people to access their rented trailers.

Another loop, and nowhere to turn around. Figuring that the passenger might be inside, the driver parks the bus outside the main office building and jumps out, swearing at the cold, to bang on the door. This continues for a good 30 seconds before he shrugs, gives up and returns to the drivers seat.

He's a good man, the driver. Took the time to get to know each passenger personally as they came onto the bus.

Now... what was it you told him again?

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Here's where you post your character sheet. I'd like to keep OOC to a minimum but reasonable questions and concise answers are perfectly acceptable. I reserve the right to demand entry to any player i deem to be of an unsuitable standard. This will not likely happen, but it's never a bad idea to cover your bases.

Some quick rules:

1) Sanity: I reserve the right to dock sanity points for people who give their characters too much info they don't have. For example, if your character jumps off the bus at this point, swinging a machete and challenging the monster, he is obviously insane and will be treated as such. As far as you know, this is a normal trip.

Sanity is measured on a scale of 1-10. 10 is normal, 0 is bestial with fear or rage. Adjust your character accordingly as it falls or rises.

Body Temp. Measured on a scale of 1-10 for convenience. 5 is normal. 6 is heated, which is what you are in now (The bus is luxury, you know!). 0 is lethal for the unprotected and 10 is unbearably hot, such as those in flames or other places of incredible heat.

2) Location: I am trying to get a map made of hollow pine, so i may plot your location on it every new round. You cannot see things that your character could not see, and there will be a limit on how much you can hear. Both attributes will be altered by the weather. Sound, you will find out, is very important.

3) Fighting: If you want a make a lot of noise and wound each other over who is the more dominant character, then i approve. It makes killing you that much easier.

4) Posting rules: Once a round. A round is denoted by a day passing or every player posting once. In that post you may move a preset amount, interact with items and talk. I think you can have 2 extra posts for dialogue a round, because i'm generous. I highly, highly, highly suggest you coordinate these with your conversation partner before posting, as it makes things ever-so professional.

5) Monster Rules: The joy of this is that there aren't any. You have to trust me to wield this villain with sense and fairness against you, otherwise he becomes exploitable. I think by now i might have earned some respect for my ability to do this. You will be given every chance to succeed, and then it will be taken away.

6) Write for the better of the RP, not your character. What a phyrric victory it would be to survive the monster by being a shrewd writer and screwing everyone over. Have fun and enjoy it, and write well so that everyone has fun.

If we have 10 players, then for the cost of one good post you will get 9 good posts in return. I can't say there isn't a better deal out there, but i've yet to find it. Run your posts through a spell/grammar checker and everyone will thank your for it.

And... here we go!

Eviljoe, if you would?

*Ahem*

Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the scenic sights of Hollow Pine resort. Mind the snow, enjoy the view and reflect on the fact that there are far worse places to endure the final bus-stop of your life.

The Brothers Joe Present: Trepidation 2, The Horror At Hollow Pine

Take an umbrella. There might be splatter.
 

Dinnj

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I'm sorry but is Qayin okay with this? I don't see any referencing to that/credit.

Before you create a sequel to a game he came up with you should probably ask him about it first or if you have say it very clearly.
 

The Lyre

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Dinnj said:
I'm sorry but is Qayin okay with this? I don't see any referencing to that/credit.

Before you create a sequel to a game he came up with you should probably ask him about it first or if you have say it very clearly.
No, I wasn't asked if it was okay for it to change hands again. Nor was I asked if it was okay to make a new thread with the same name, nor was I asked if it was okay to change the rules in transfer, nor was I asked if it was okay to not even mention my name in this new thread.

So, in short, this is not okay with me. Just because I wasn't hosting it, doesn't mean I didn't genuinely spend a month making sure the rules worked before I posted it. I put actual work into making it, and I never said it could just be given to 'whoever wants it'.

Trepidation was under new management, not ownership, and the owner of this RP - i.e. me - was not consulted at all. Apparently me not using it means I no longer have a say in who uses my own creation.

In fact, it was under new management as a temporary thing to begin with - at the time, my internet was practically dead, and my health was having a serious lapse - I just couldn't cope with managing it. The title next to my name says 'Trepidation: Under New Management', not 'do what ya fancy with it', and I am insulted that I was not even sent a quick PM to ask permission.

EDIT; Just in case anyone is interested, I did in fact plan to resume hosting this in the far future, after Mshcher's run was done. That, however, is irrelevant, as even if I didn't want to host it, I should have still been asked if it was okay to use my work.
 

Lord Krunk

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Qayin said:
Dinnj said:
I'm sorry but is Qayin okay with this? I don't see any referencing to that/credit.

Before you create a sequel to a game he came up with you should probably ask him about it first or if you have say it very clearly.
No, I wasn't asked if it was okay for it to change hands again. Nor was I asked if it was okay to make a new thread with the same name, nor was I asked if it was okay to change the rules in transfer, nor was I asked if it was okay to not even mention my name in this new thread.

So, in short, this is not okay with me. Just because I wasn't hosting it, doesn't mean I didn't genuinely spend a month making sure the rules worked before I posted it. I put actual work into making it, and I never said it could just be given to 'whoever wants it'.

Trepidation was under new management, not ownership, and the owner of this RP - i.e. me - was not consulted at all. Apparently me not using it means I no longer have a say in who uses my own creation.

In fact, it was under new management as a temporary thing to begin with - at the time, my internet was practically dead, and my health was having a serious lapse - I just couldn't cope with managing it. The title next to my name says 'Trepidation: Under New Management', not 'do what ya fancy with it', and I am insulted that I was not even sent a quick PM to ask permission.

EDIT; Just in case anyone is interested, I did in fact plan to resume hosting this in the far future, after Mshcher's run was done. That, however, is irrelevant, as even if I didn't want to host it, I should have still been asked if it was okay to use my work.
Damn. There go my hopes for restarting The Escapist Election.
 

Higurashi

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Qayin said:
EDIT; Just in case anyone is interested, I did in fact plan to resume hosting this in the far future, after Mshcher's run was done. That, however, is irrelevant, as even if I didn't want to host it, I should have still been asked if it was okay to use my work.
I thought you would. I am waiting for exactly that. =)
 

Ultrajoe

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Unless you've been under a rock lately Qayin, you'd know that you happened to dump Trep on Msh because of some reason or another. When things became too heavy for her to bear she then offered it to me so it could remain alive. Unless you've also not noticed, you've been un-contactable for the last week or so.

What were we supposed to do? Don't assume your the only one who cares about this project, because we wouldn't be doing it if we thought it didn't have legs. You were away, we did what was needed to keep it alive.

But if your pride demands it, i'll shut this down without a word of complaint. Just give the order and you can have your project back, if it were ever truly stolen.

I am truly sorry i attempted to aid your RP. How very presumptuous of me to think i had the right to help you and your creation.
 

Dastardos

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This can't be good

I hope Joe can host this though I would love to participate in Trepidation
 

Spartan Bannana

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This is why you piss me off Qayin. We understand that you put a lot of work into this RP. We get it, you don't have to pound it into our heads every second. But Qayin, this is basically (keeping with the horror theme) just like the end of a horror movie. After the black dude and the comedy relief guy have been killed off, the last person has to let the girl onto the extraction vehicle and sacrifice himself so that she can live on.

So Qayin, you are that last guy, you have to let Trepidation go and sacrifice your pride so that your marvelous creation can live on.

And besides, you could always host the next round.
 

The Lyre

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1. I have been under a rock lately, that rock entitled 'flu'.

2. Trep was never 'dumped' on Mshcher because of me - it was offered to her and you as a pair, with the idea that one of you would play the monster, and the other would help to host in terms of mechanics and admin. You were nowhere to be seen when it came to helping Msh, and I was in the process of fixing my internet and undergoing C.B.T, what was your excuse for being absent?

Frankly, once I was aware that Mshcher was struggling to host Trep, I told her it was perfectly fine to let it die - I'd rather it stop than just be a burden to a friend. This did not mean I was saying anyone could do what they liked with it, however.

3. You know damn well I haven't been uncontactable, we spoke on MSN two mornings ago, as well as a couple PMs. A short PM asking for permission to take Trepidation into a new thread would have been fine, but I wasn't even asked if it was okay to change hands again, let alone to doctor it, change the rules and move it into a new thread, with the creator's name nowhere to be seen.

4. You haven't aided it, unfortunately;

5) Monster Rules: The joy of this is that there aren't any
This is not a rule of Trep - as in, the rules on the front page of the RP. The monster player has just as many rules and limitations as the players do, so that the players don't have to place their trust in anyone, they know the rules are there. Again, if you'd just sent me a PM, I could have told you this.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that you didn't read the rules in transfer. Again, another fairly big insult.

If you'd wished to help me, you'd have sent me a PM, and given me some kind of credit. Instead you've basically taken it, changed it for the worse, added in commentary from Eviljoe, and called it a sequel - without even a mention of me.

5. That, however, is not the issue here - if you'd just asked me, I'd have been fine with it. That way I could have made sure you'd gotten the rules right, for a start. The issue here is that I was not even consulted, when you knew absolutely well that I was reachable by PM, or at least by passing on a message to Mshcher.

So no, saying that I couldn't be reached is a bullshit excuse, I may be ill but I am capable of reading and sending PMs.

You didn't ask me, however, when you knew I was easily contactable.

To use Spartan's analogy, I have not been given the choice if I wanted to make a sacrifice, I've just been knocked unconscious and been locked in a room to be left behind, whilst Joe frolics with said heroine.

If you can manage to change the rules to a game, not a playground for the monster player, and give me some due credit, you are welcome to host it. You will not, however, become the owner, and I will be taking it back for the next round.

One PM could have avoided this.
 

Bling Cat

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I'm not going to add commentary on this rather nasty situation. I'm just going to say that I will find and kill you all if this dies before round three. I have been waiting far too long to unleash Drane on the populous for me to lose the chance now.
 

Spartan Bannana

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Hm...in hindsight, it was kind of a dick move not to even give Qayin credit for the ideas.
And from the evidence Qayin has shown, it seems you are also lying to us all. Shame, Joe, Shame.
 

Ultrajoe

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Spartan Bannana said:
And from the evidence Qayin has shown, it seems you are also lying to us all. Shame, Joe, Shame.
Bullshit. Evidence my blue polished ass.

Qayin, you haven't been online when i was trying to restart the game, why would i bother sending a PM when it says 'Offline' right there in the bloody MSN window? I might as well send you mail when the doorbell doesn't work.

This is all moot now, you having succesfully excecuted your creation, for whatever end. But Msh didn't ask for my help whatsoever, nor did i see a need to give it. Her and I are on different time-scales, and my current employment pushes that into at best an hour a day if we happen to line up free-time wise. I wasn't absent, i was unecessary. This attempt at Trep 2 was my attempt at doing my part when i was necessary. It was short in the planning and there was no time to contact you, i assumed we could iron out any cracks in my plan on your return.

And yes, i changed the rules. If i'm going to run an RP then i am hardly going to be able to do it with rules that i find unecessary and distasteful. I have no apologies, this is how i would have to get the job done.

I am hurt, however, that after talking to you regularly for an extended period of time, drafting monsters and scenes with you, for your RP, that i would have to come and petition you for the initiative to keep it alive.

And that your first reaction would not be a PM to me, but to come and tear down my attempt in a fit of anger.
 

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Isn't the point of PMing that the person can read it whenever they come online? You could have just used this sites system instead of MSN. And I have to agree that, even before Qayin showed up, it seemed pretty unnecessary to make a whole new topic just for the second round. And it should have been you that worked around the rules, not vice-versa. Finally, please don't be an elitist and shrug this off.
 

Ultrajoe

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Revenent said:
Isn't the point of PMing that the person can read it whenever they come online? You could have just used this sites system instead of MSN. And I have to agree that, even before Qayin showed up, it seemed pretty unnecessary to make a whole new topic just for the second round. And it should have been you that worked around the rules, not vice-versa. Finally, please don't be an elitist and shrug this off.
Qayin hasn't been posting, and as far as i was aware hasn't even visited the escapist in the time between me considering the task and makling the thread. I assumed the details could be worked out after it had commenced. It appears not.

Potato, pot-'ah'-to, i like fresh threads for new rounds. Like RW or BoR, it encourages new players and keeps things fresh. That's just personal preference, and i don't think that's one of Qayins concerns. Given his rather vocal disdain towards the progress of this RP, and his willingness to allow another to control it, i didn't think he would blink twice at this change of hands.

The rules are another point of contention i will discuss with Qayin later. But the game, it's objectives and it's outcome would have been the same with my changes. I admit, i could have worked around the rules, but this was convenient and i would venture a better option given the person running the round. As in, me.

And i am not bieng elitist, but perhaps a smidgeon derisive. This was something i was enthusiatic and excited for, i can not just 'shrug it off' any more than i could the Ultrahelm. What i am now is icily infuriated. I intend to intercept Qayin at some point to work this out and get Trep back on it's feet as we both want it to, but i can't promise i'll make many apologies.

I stand by my statements, this could have been much better solved by contacting me than by trampling through this thread.

Dastardos said:
So is Trep dead...?
This particular installment, yes. I have no doubt after me and Qayin scowl at each other for a period of time he will attempt another round and i will find some way to contribute in semi-apolegetic fashion. He does need a momnster after all, and i handily have one right here.

Far any wandering Mods, you sexy beasts you, this thread humbly requests a lock.

For anyone who wishes to shout at me loudly enough to impart spittle, or indeed at any decibel, my inbox is always wide open and further discussion is encouraged. Don't forget, however, that i am just as devoted to this Rp as you are, and am not your enemy. If your problem is personal and about me or my supposed misconduct, then you may also insert it into my inbox. I may have other suggestions for insertion afterwards, but that's just me.
 

Ultrajoe

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Hold the phone.

Qayin and i have sorted out the issue. We are now ready to begin when we have enough sign-ups.

The rules may change as conversation progresses. Please stand by for updates.

In the meantime, why not post some character sheets?
 

Dastardos

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If Qayin is cool with it, then I will post a sheet later today. Gotta go to school right now.
 

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Name: Salvator Evans
Occupation: DEA Officer
Junk in your Pockets: Small keychain light and handheld gaming device for the plane ride.

Reason For Going To The Airport: On forced rehabilitation leave after a small ordeal involving stolen heroin. Decided to go on a nice, relaxing Australian getaway.
Backstory: As a young man, Sal had a bit of a problem with drugs. His father was a fairly wealthy garage owner, so it was easy for him to steal money and buy them. When this became apparent, he was immediately sent to boot camp to reform. Later he joined the police force and eventually made his way to the DEA where his problems started all over again. Rather than get fired or jailed, Sal agreed to go on a two-month rehabilitation leave. He is not a very happy-go-lucky guy and will keep to himself unless he needs something from someone else. Good leadership skills, but doesn't bother helping people unless he has to because he doesn't like them.
Physical Attributes: Slightly below average height, stocky build. Slightly curly black hair, brown eyes and olive skin. Dresses semi-casual.