Trump guilty of sexual abuse and defamation

[gorfias]

Well, the case a poster above describes includes the police taking a statement. Now if there's ever a lawsuit, the accuser may be able to better tell the court what year she alleges an attack happened, particularly if the statement is made a permanent, disclosable record.

ITMT: Did some more digging. One of the guys falsely accused by Jemma Beale I think did 7 years for a crime he didn't commit.

I don't know what % of allegations are true or false. But if "believe all women" actually ever became a thing? Guilt unless innocence is proven? It follows logically that the number of false accusations would sky rocket.

 

[Cicada 5]

Trump Threw a Temper Tantrum When His Team Offered Lunch to E. Jean Carroll’s Lawyer

Roberta Kaplan was deposing Trump in a separate lawsuit when he stormed out of the room after his lawyer, Alina Habba, dared to offer Kaplan a sandwich.

jezebel.com

 

[Piscian]

Trump Threw a Temper Tantrum When His Team Offered Lunch to E. Jean Carroll’s Lawyer

Roberta Kaplan was deposing Trump in a separate lawsuit when he stormed out of the room after his lawyer, Alina Habba, dared to offer Kaplan a sandwich.

jezebel.com

*See You Next Tuesdays*

 

[Thaluikhain]

I don't know what % of allegations are true or false. But if "believe all women" actually ever became a thing? Guilt unless innocence is proven? It follows logically that the number of false accusations would sky rocket.

Believing all women doesn't mean guilty until proven innocent, as it allows for women to be genuinely mistaken about things. It does prevent all women from being assuming to consenting to sex, and to be assumed as liars for reporting rapes, until found innocent in court.

The idea that we are about to see a massive increase (or have done) in women falsely accusing men of rape has been around for years as a means of attacking rape victims, and it's not remotely true.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

There's no inconsistency here-- I don't think the fact a jury found something lends it credence.

It's not the jury's finding that leads me to think Trump sexually assaulted Carrol. Its the fact that he's completely untrustworthy, without conscience, and sexually abusive, with numerous credible allegations against him. Its the fact he boasts about sexual assault.

So your take on things can use any kind of reasoning and logic based on what you want it to be basically. It was pretty funny you were still fighting your take on the trial when the video evidence that was clear as day. So these 12 people that know every bit of the trial and gave their unanimous ruling means absolutely nothing in your world. Then, you'll cite experts on other things and act like they are the be-all-end-all (just because they agree with your opinion). You can't just pick and choose what you want.

 

[gorfias]

Believing all women doesn't mean guilty until proven innocent, as it allows for women to be genuinely mistaken about things. It does prevent all women from being assuming to consenting to sex, and to be assumed as liars for reporting rapes, until found innocent in court.

The idea that we are about to see a massive increase (or have done) in women falsely accusing men of rape has been around for years as a means of attacking rape victims, and it's not remotely true.

Without, "believe all women" a woman might accuse a guy and a court find "not guilty" which isn't the same as innocent. She isn't being called a liar.

There was a relative of the Kennedy family back in the 80s or 90s got accused of rape. This is way before BAW was a thing and I don't think the jury thought her lying but that the case hadn't been proven. I don't recall if we had rape kits back then or not and what the evidence was outside of the testimony of the two of them. Might say more about the power of that family than the quality or lack there of of the case itself.

ITMT: BAW is not established in the US. Among the reasons I'd think the Tara Reid issue undermined it some. And there are times, as I posted a link to earlier, where lies are being told.

 

[SilentPony]

*See You Next Tuesdays*

Okay so when did "See You Next Tuesday" become code for the C-word? That's some random ass "I'll have Chinese food for lunch today" meaning "Go fuck yourself" malarkey.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Okay so when did "See You Next Tuesday" become code for the C-word?

Um...many years ago? Possibly decades ago?

Actually, wiki tells me that the very last episode of Sex and the City came out 20 years ago, minus 3 weeks. And they used that phrase in that show, and before the very end, so at least 20 years.

 

[Bedinsis]

Okay so when did "See You Next Tuesday" become code for the C-word?

See = [ c ]
You = [ u ]
and then a word starting with "n" and then "t", forming the c-word.

Which you might have already known, but your statement about randomness led me to believe you didn't.

 

[SilentPony]

Um...many years ago? Possibly decades ago?

Actually, wiki tells me that the very last episode of Sex and the City came out 20 years ago, minus 3 weeks. And they used that phrase in that show, and before the very end, so at least 20 years.

But its so random. See You Next Tuesday?! Why Tuesday? Why not Friday, or Sunday? Why not "Can't Use New Technology"? The first letters of those words at least spell out c u n t

 

[SilentPony]

See = [c]
You =
and then a word starting with "n" and then "t", forming the c-word.

Which you might have already known, but your statement about randomness led me to believe you didn't.

I didn't know, and that's grammatically infuriating. What, its okay to misspell two words for the sake of a half formed acronym? That's just lazy.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Okay so when did "See You Next Tuesday" become code for the C-word? That's some random ass "I'll have Chinese food for lunch today" meaning "Go fuck yourself" malarkey.

C U Next Tuesday.

 

[Bedinsis]

I didn't know, and that's grammatically infuriating. What, its okay to misspell two words for the sake of a half formed acronym? That's just lazy.

I suspect it started with someone not wanting to use the word, so they instead spelled it out and then they realized that the first two letters actually functioned as words in themselves and eventually used the rest to form the half-acronym.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I want to know why Tuesday and not Thursday.

 

[Bedinsis]

I want to know why Tuesday and not Thursday.

Despite them starting with the same letter, grammatically they are not the same sound. [t] versus [θ]. The last letter of the c-word uses the former sound.

 

[SilentPony]

I suspect it started with someone not wanting to use the word, so they instead spelled it out and then they realized that the first two letters actually functioned as words in themselves and eventually used the rest to form the half-acronym.

But "C" isn't even a word, its just a letter. Yes its pronounced the same was as the word "see", but its just grammatically cheating to use some words spelled correctly, some words spelled incorrectly, and just a letter, for an acronym.
It reminds me of that old Zero Punctuation quote, I wanna say from Silent Hill Homecoming being the same story as Sister Act 2 Back in the Habit if you simply change the characters, story and setting.

 

[Silvanus]

So your take on things can use any kind of reasoning and logic based on what you want it to be basically. [...])

Nope.

 

[Bedinsis]

But "C" isn't even a word, its just a letter. Yes its pronounced the same was as the word "see", but its just grammatically cheating to use some words spelled correctly, some words spelled incorrectly, and just a letter, for an acronym.

It is not meant to be an acronym, it is meant to be an insult that goes over the listener's head.

 

[Piscian]

Okay so when did "See You Next Tuesday" become code for the C-word? That's some random ass "I'll have Chinese food for lunch today" meaning "Go fuck yourself" malarkey.

*shrug* "Give it a name"

 

[SilentPony]

It is not meant to be an acronym, it is meant to be an insult that goes over the listener's head.

If its just supposed to be an insulting phrase meant to mean something other than what the worlds express, sure I'm good with that. Code phrases are a time honored tradition.
What gets me its also supposed to be an acronym. See become just the letter C, You becomes just the letter U, and Next and Tuesday are both using their first letter to spell out c u n t.
And again, that's just cheating and lazy. Either have the code phrase, or have the acronym and do it properly. You can't have your cake and eat it too with its a random phrase and spells out the swear word.